2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Namaste]

Those are two out of 6 or 7 years. The remainder of his career outside of that he has a combined .2 war.

And those are 2 of his last 3 years.

He played less than 100 games in 2018.

EDIT: I just saw lou’s post.

Anyway, calling him “awful” is one of the dumbest things to come out of fish16’s mouth and that’s saying quite a bit.

[sports24/7]

I don’t understand trading Alfaro. They have nothing at catcher, and it’s not like they’re going to get a great return, or need more prospects. Maybe if you’re trading Alfaro and another prospect for a blue chip prospect, but that still leaves the cupboard bare at catcher. It also reinforces the notion that they needed a catcher back in the Realmuto deal instead of better prospects as dumb.

[fish16]

And those are 2 of his last 3 years.

He played less than 100 games in 2018.

EDIT: I just saw lou’s post.

Anyway, calling him “awful” is one of the dumbest things to come out of fish16’s mouth and that’s saying quite a bit.

If you double the 93 games he played in 2018 to get around a full seasons worth of games he would have a .2 war for that year. He has never graded positively defensively according to fan graphs, and he has graded negatively offensively for all but two years. Maybe he has found it and is now a decent player, or maybe you are taking outlier seasons with a juiced baseball over the fact that he has had an ops+ of less than 100 for 3 out of the last 5 years, making him both a below average hitter on top of the fact that he is apparently not a good defender either. There are better outfield options that we can spend money on a 2 year deal on

[fish16]

Also his big year was spiked by an unsustainable babip. I don’t often agree with Keith law, but I do agree with him on Garcia In his top 50 free agents list

Garcia had one huge year, fueled by a BABIP spike to .392 that couldn't last and a drop in his strikeout rate that turned out to be a fluke, and outside of that has played like a fourth outfielder the rest of his career. He has fringe-average power, doesn't walk enough (career walk rate of 5.9%, with a 5.8% showing in 2019), and plays average defense in an outfield corner. He'll turn 29 in June, young enough that I'm sure someone else will try to take a shot at him and see whether it can at least get more loft in his swing for power. He's probably just the player he has been outside of that outlier season, a good extra outfielder and right-handed bat off the bench

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Damn the brewers got Luis Urias for relatively cheap. Wouldn’t have minded is taking a chance on that bat for one of our pitchers but oh well

[Namaste]

Rays DFA’d Jesus Aguilar

[Lee Stone]

Kyle Gibson mind boggler. 3/$30 for a guy with a career 1.41 WHIP ... who was 1.44 last season! Alcantara is a whiz by comparison. Does that mean that Alcantara has the kind of value that could tempt the Yankees to trade Miguel Andujar? The Marlins could land their middle of the order bat and star?

[fauowls44]

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Obviously you can't count on him for a MLB job at this point, but certainly worth a flier given his Yankees background...

[lou]

Kyle Gibson mind boggler. 3/$30 for a guy with a career 1.41 WHIP ... who was 1.44 last season! Alcantara is a whiz by comparison. Does that mean that Alcantara has the kind of value that could tempt the Yankees to trade Miguel Andujar? The Marlins could land their middle of the order bat and star?

Sandy is worth more than Andujar

I think the trade is Caleb, and non 40 man options - Misner, Jerar, and Fitterer - for Andujar, Frazier, and P prospects on their 40 man they want to get rid of to clear space for signings. Maybe throw in one of the major league relievers if they want one.

Sandy is a keep. He has more control than Caleb.

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That’s also a great deal for Gibson. I can’t believe they gave him a third year

[Lee Stone]

Sandy is worth more than Andujar??

Goodness, gracious. In his one season (2018) Andujar had the same slugging percentage as Aaron Judge ... and higher than Giancarlo. He's a star. Alcantara is basically an average starter - a four or five on a good team. Andujar for Alcantara? You take that in a second and throw in a little extra.

Jonathan Villar is now available. 4 WAR SS that will make about $10M in final arb year. If the Marlins want to be more competitive next season, that'a great start. Rojas can serve as insurance on Isan Diaz (that's an obvious need) or play third and let Anderson upgrade the RF position.

[lou]

Sandy is worth more than Andujar??

Goodness, gracious. In his one season (2018) Andujar had the same slugging percentage as Aaron Judge ... and higher than Giancarlo. He's a star. Alcantara is basically an average starter - a four or five on a good team. Andujar for Alcantara? You take that in a second and throw in a little extra.

His good year he had a 2.8 WAR with atrocious defense, and his value lowers moving to 1B which would have to happen. He has FOUR years of control. He's projecting as a 1+ WAR player next year.

Alcantara had a 2.3 WAR year last year, and 5 years of control. He is being projected as a 1.5+ WAR player right now.

Another year of control and similar ability, plus similar upside as they both can improve.

I'm not sure what your fascination is with Andujar, but the grass isn't always greener and the Marlins have some good young players.

[Lee Stone]

1) Where do you stand on Villar as a pickup?
2) Who are the Marlins good young players?
3) Keeping it real, how can Andujar have played one season with a 2.8 WAR and now project at 1 WAR? That's just silly. If Andujar passes a physical, you pencil him in for 150 games at 1B, where he should produce an even higher WAR than he did at 3B. Cooper moves to RF or LF.

[lou]

1) Where do you stand on Villar as a pickup?
2) Who are the Marlins good young players?
3) Keeping it real, how can Andujar have played one season with a 2.8 WAR and now project at 1 WAR? That's just silly. If Andujar passes a physical, you pencil him in for 150 games at 1B, where he should produce an even higher WAR than he did at 3B. Cooper moves to RF or LF.

1 - 0% - he has one year of control and they have Isan and Jazz (and Rojas and Berti, and Devers behind them)
2 - Alfaro, L. Diaz, I. Diaz, Jazz, Nunez, Devers, Anderson, Harrison, Sanchez, Bleday, Scott, Misner, Alcantara, Smith, Lopez, Sixto, Cabrera, Rogers, Garrett, Neidert, Guzman, and probably a half dozen other maybes like Cooper, Brigham, Vesia, etc. who could work out
3 - His defensive impact will be much smaller at 1B so he'll have to hit much MORE than he did in 2018 to improve on his value. I'm pretty confident Andujar is not a .900 OPS bat.

[lou]

Lee - Didn’t realize Villar was waived. They should totally claim him and pay him the $10 million in arbitration.

We bitch about the Marlins front office but that’s BAD from Baltimore. Sign him, eat salary, trade at deadline for a solid rental prospect or two. The guy is an easy 2+ WAR player. This is a no brainer.

[emkayseven]

Said this on twitter since a lot of Marlins people are missing it but EVERY AL team would have to pass on Villar for us to claim him. Don’t see that happening. If they don’t claim him it’s proof they don’t give a shit and don’t intend to spend any money.

[Lee Stone]

Said this on twitter since a lot of Marlins people are missing it but EVERY AL team would have to pass on Villar for us to claim him. Don’t see that happening. If they don’t claim him it’s proof they don’t give a shit and don’t intend to spend any money.

Yes, almost half the teams in baseball can step up and grab Villar before the Marlins secure a shot at him. On the other hand, no team (inc the Marlins) was willing to offer Baltimore even a token return for him in a trade prior to the waiver. It's an odd situation for sure.