2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[tjfla]

Said this on twitter since a lot of Marlins people are missing it but EVERY AL team would have to pass on Villar for us to claim him. Don’t see that happening. If they don’t claim him it’s proof they don’t give a shit and don’t intend to spend any money.

Miami should claim him in a second if he gets thru the AL!! 9.5-10.5 million for a backup 2B/SS/3B is alot but he would get tons of AB's. Could start at 3B move BA to RF and in July u trade him move BA back to 3B and call up Jesus

Its 50/50 on if he gets claimed-he is probably worth 5-6 million in reality but if Miami is willing to spend the extra cash(which they have to burn) I would claim him in a second!!

Another name to watch(who just cleared waivers) is

Yolmer Sanchez https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...anchca01.shtml

and Profor


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Kyle Gibson mind boggler. 3/$30 for a guy with a career 1.41 WHIP ... who was 1.44 last season! Alcantara is a whiz by comparison. Does that mean that Alcantara has the kind of value that could tempt the Yankees to trade Miguel Andujar? The Marlins could land their middle of the order bat and star?

That is pretty much market value. Marlins have 1 yr+ option offers out to about 8 SP right now and all are in 15-18 million range or 7.5 to 9 million

All these vet SP are gonna get between 7.5-10 million a year. Question is how many years can they get??? Miami is offering 1 yr OR 1 yr plus 1 yr option deals

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Marlins are hot after Greg Bird on a MILB invite deal. Issue is so are about 8 other teams. This is 1 issue with passing on guys on waivers!!!! Yes u might have to pay a little more for guys but he is ALL yours and u dont have to fight over guys. Reason why we didn't claim Bird is didn't wanna use a 40 man spot on him

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I don’t understand trading Alfaro. They have nothing at catcher, and it’s not like they’re going to get a great return, or need more prospects. Maybe if you’re trading Alfaro and another prospect for a blue chip prospect, but that still leaves the cupboard bare at catcher. It also reinforces the notion that they needed a catcher back in the Realmuto deal instead of better prospects as dumb.

They arent shopping him but teams ARE calling. Like lou said if a team is willing to offer

L. Diaz/Scott/Nunez/Misner- an eye of the beholder FV50 hitting prospect
Neidert/Garret/Rogers/Guzman - an eye of the beholder FV50 pitching prospect
ML ready C like Tucker Barnhart,Navarez or someone

Miami would deal him if get exactly what they wanted

Do a 3-1 deal then sign a Jason Castro or another FA C stopgap

[emkayseven]

I don’t see Villar as a backup. If they get him he should play every day. He was a 4 WAR player. Rojas at 3B and BA in RF. Or stick Villar at 3B and just take the shitty defense (preferably not this)

[tjfla]

I don’t see Villar as a backup. If they get him he should play every day. He was a 4 WAR player. Rojas at 3B and BA in RF. Or stick Villar at 3B and just take the shitty defense (preferably not this)

Neither do I on Miami. Other teams yes but with us u put him at 3B move BA to RF till July. Trade deadline u trade him for prospects move BA back to 3B and Jesus to RF

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Alot of guys are gonna come on the market over next week or so. Oakland gonna non tender Profar,Treinen,Phegley and we are liking ALL 3 of them

They have tons of cash to burn so I wish they would just trade for these guys and just pay up. Trade a Sean Reynolds or some low level guy and get them before they hit FA. I would jump all over Villar but wouldn't be surprised if they passed too. Yolmer Sanchez is high on list too-better defense then Miggy bat is ok

One issue Miami is having in trade talks is teams want us to overpay!! They are calling teams asking on players and getting requests like Palacios,Jerar for crappy DFA guys. They called 1 team and offered Davis Bradshaw or Milton Smith like OF team said NO and asked for Jerar HAHAHAH

We have at least 5 spots OPEN-Moran,Keller,Kinley,Tayron,Riddle
Could open 2 more easy-Wallach,Austin Dean
If Needed trade 3-Urena,Brice,Conley

10 total spots IF NEEDED

[Lee Stone]

I would top that list with Brinson. His time at Miami has been ridiculous. And with all that riff raff, why wouldn't Tyler Heineman be on that 40-man???

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1 - 0% - he has one year of control and they have Isan and Jazz (and Rojas and Berti, and Devers behind them)
2 - Alfaro, L. Diaz, I. Diaz, Jazz, Nunez, Devers, Anderson, Harrison, Sanchez, Bleday, Scott, Misner, Alcantara, Smith, Lopez, Sixto, Cabrera, Rogers, Garrett, Neidert, Guzman, and probably a half dozen other maybes like Cooper, Brigham, Vesia, etc. who could work out
3 - His defensive impact will be much smaller at 1B so he'll have to hit much MORE than he did in 2018 to improve on his value. I'm pretty confident Andujar is not a .900 OPS bat.

Miami has some good young pitchers, for sure, but position players? Brian Anderson is about it right now, and he'll be 27 this season. Among all those listed, none of them is on a solid upward trajectory really. The top guys, Jazz, Bleday and J Sanchez, all raised question marks rather than exclamation points in 2019.

[fauowls44]

Miami should claim him in a second if he gets thru the AL!! 9.5-10.5 million for a backup 2B/SS/3B is alot but he would get tons of AB's. Could start at 3B move BA to RF and in July u trade him move BA back to 3B and call up Jesus

Its 50/50 on if he gets claimed-he is probably worth 5-6 million in reality but if Miami is willing to spend the extra cash(which they have to burn) I would claim him in a second!!

Another name to watch(who just cleared waivers) is

Yolmer Sanchez https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...anchca01.shtml

and Profor


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That is pretty much market value. Marlins have 1 yr+ option offers out to about 8 SP right now and all are in 15-18 million range or 7.5 to 9 million

All these vet SP are gonna get between 7.5-10 million a year. Question is how many years can they get??? Miami is offering 1 yr OR 1 yr plus 1 yr option deals

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Marlins are hot after Greg Bird on a MILB invite deal. Issue is so are about 8 other teams. This is 1 issue with passing on guys on waivers!!!! Yes u might have to pay a little more for guys but he is ALL yours and u dont have to fight over guys. Reason why we didn't claim Bird is didn't wanna use a 40 man spot on him

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They arent shopping him but teams ARE calling. Like lou said if a team is willing to offer

L. Diaz/Scott/Nunez/Misner- an eye of the beholder FV50 hitting prospect
Neidert/Garret/Rogers/Guzman - an eye of the beholder FV50 pitching prospect
ML ready C like Tucker Barnhart,Navarez or someone

Miami would deal him if get exactly what they wanted

Do a 3-1 deal then sign a Jason Castro or another FA C stopgap

Just some thoughts on some names mentioned:

I would absolutely jump on Villar for 1 year $9 million. I'm not sure he gets through the AL on waivers, but if he does, they should claim him. You can stick him at 3rd or try him in RF.

I'd take a flier on Profar because of his age and power potential...and he can play 3rd. He wouldn't be my first choice, but he's worth giving a shot for a year.

Not sure where Yolmer Sanchez would fit in here. The Marlins have Isan, Miggy, and Berti that can play 2nd and his bat isn't good enough to play 3rd.

[tjfla]

I would top that list with Brinson. His time at Miami has been ridiculous. And with all that riff raff, why wouldn't Tyler Heineman be on that 40-man???

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Miami has some good young pitchers, for sure, but position players? Brian Anderson is about it right now, and he'll be 27 this season. Among all those listed, none of them is on a solid upward trajectory really. The top guys, Jazz, Bleday and J Sanchez, all raised question marks rather than exclamation points in 2019.

For the 100th time this offseason!!! TYLER HEINEMAN is NOT even in the system right now. He is a MilB FA

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Just some thoughts on some names mentioned:

I would absolutely jump on Villar for 1 year $9 million. I'm not sure he gets through the AL on waivers, but if he does, they should claim him. You can stick him at 3rd or try him in RF.

I'd take a flier on Profar because of his age and power potential...and he can play 3rd. He wouldn't be my first choice, but he's worth giving a shot for a year.

Not sure where Yolmer Sanchez would fit in here. The Marlins have Isan, Miggy, and Berti that can play 2nd and his bat isn't good enough to play 3rd.

They are looking for a backup 2B/SS/3B. If u can get a Yolmer Sanchez for 3/10 u take him. They prefer a bat but gold glove IF who is 27 and hits .250 sounds like someone who we love now!!! Sanchez is a switch hitter and can play all 3 spots

Berti can play 2B/SS/3B and OF. 26th man type guy

I would go Villar first on a claim for 9.5-10.5 million but are lots of other options and Yolmer Sanchez is a solid option. Yolmer,Profar,Brock Holt,Rule 5 guy,Wilmer Flores,Iglesias

[lou]

I don’t see Villar as a backup. If they get him he should play every day. He was a 4 WAR player. Rojas at 3B and BA in RF. Or stick Villar at 3B and just take the shitty defense (preferably not this)

Yea I don’t get it. Villar is a floor 2 WAR player with upside. He’s worth well more than $9-10 million a year and pencil him into every team in baseballs lineup for 500+ PA instantly.

If the Marlins could have gotten him for say Dugger or Dean, I don’t know why you don’t do that

[tjfla]

Yea I don’t get it. Villar is a floor 2 WAR player with upside. He’s worth well more than $9-10 million a year and pencil him into every team in baseballs lineup for 500+ PA instantly.

If the Marlins could have gotten him for say Dugger or Dean, I don’t know why you don’t do that

Yes please or even a RP. No clue why we didnt do that other than they think they could get him for nothing? 14 teams pass and he is ours if we want him

Claim him let him play 3B and July 20 u trade him for prospects. Can even pay salary for more

[emkayseven]

I doubt we claim him, and like I said, if we pass that just straight up shows they aren’t spending money

[lou]

Yolmer is also a good backup. He’s perfect with the defense. I agree he isn’t a claim as his arbitration is too much, but the Marlins have a playing time opportunity for him for sure and it’s a good fit

[tjfla]

I doubt we claim him, and like I said, if we pass that just straight up shows they aren’t spending money

Same feeling. Especially since lots of other options they like out there

Plus it makes to much sense!!! When was last time Marlins did anything that made sense?

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Yolmer is also a good backup. He’s perfect with the defense. I agree he isn’t a claim as his arbitration is too much, but the Marlins have a playing time opportunity for him for sure and it’s a good fit

He already passed thru and is a FA now

2 or 3 yrs for 3 million a year I would be fine with him

[Lee Stone]

I would absolutely jump on Villar for 1 year $9 million. I'm not sure he gets through the AL on waivers, but if he does, they should claim him. You can stick him at 3rd or try him in RF.

Based on what I have read, Villar was a minus defender at 2B but ML average at SS. That's where his offense would carry the most value. I don't think Miguel Rojas has any business as a regular on a decent team. His defense is fine and he hit for a decent average, but there's no pop in his bat and he's a plodder on the bases. He also led the league in hitting into double plays. His $10+M contract was a gift.

For the 100th time this offseason!!! TYLER HEINEMAN is NOT even in the system right now. He is a MilB FA

That's clearly understood. My question is why would the Marlins designate Heineman and allow him to be a FA in the first place? The system is devoid of catching and he showed some real promise at AAA last season. As has been pointed out, there are lots of undesirables on the current 40-man.

[lou]

Same feeling. Especially since lots of other options they like out there

Plus it makes to much sense!!! When was last time Marlins did anything that made sense?

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He already passed thru and is a FA now

2 or 3 yrs for 3 million a year I would be fine with him

If they could sign Yolmer for 2, that would be great as it bridges the gap to Devers (potentially).

20/21 - Isan, Rojas, Berti, Yolmer (later 3 expendable 2021 if Jazz ready)
22+ - Jazz, Isan, Berti, Rojas (and Rojas is an option year so if Devers is ready they can move on)

This one makes a lot of sense and Yolmer will be competing with the “weak outfielders” and Isan/Berti for time. He can’t expect a better situation than that for a year or two

[Lee Stone]

Yolmer Sanchez. How does acquiring a guy who can't hit a lick help improve baseball's poorest offense?

[lou]

Yolmer Sanchez. How does acquiring a guy who can't hit a lick help improve baseball's poorest offense?

He has produced 5 WAR the last 3 seasons, age 24-26.5 age seasons. 1.7+ WAR pace per 600 PA. He's a switch hitter.

Rojas is a 1.9+ WAR player during those same 3 seasons, but his age 28-30 seasons.

Yolmer is a perfect slick defending bench guy who can play all over. If the Marlins are going to sign 3 bats, Yolmer, Castellanos/Ozuna(Avisail), and a TBD 1B/3B/OF lefty type is a solid plan.