2018/2019 Offseason Thread

[gustavopim]

the left part above the bullpen. I mean it doesn't really matter because you can move around the ballpark. I just choose this section because I have a group that I play pick up games every sunday that seat over there.

[fish16]

Thats actually what Atlanta is offering while we want Riley,Anderson AND either Inciarte(No Chance),Swanson,Newcomb

This is why Mish keeps saying Atlanta is the fave even tho everyone else thinks they are OUT on him. He thinks eventually Miami will say fine Riley/Anderson/Touki OR Wilson OR Wentz

Miami wants Riley AND Ian Anderson

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Atlanta/Houston/Cincy/TB/SD are all still in on JT

TB,Cincy only 1 guy away(TB-Sanchez Cincy-Senzel,India,Greene with Trammell)
Houston-Tucker is in deal they are still fighting over Pitchers in deal with Miami wanting Martin/Perez/James and Houston offering JB/Javier type
SD-Still talking but SD has about 5 deals with other teams too with same prospects


LAD can jump in anytime with an offer of Bellinger OR Verdugo/Ruiz/Jeter Downs and get a deal done quick

Miami is in NO rush with the thought being JT market will be the same in March and even better once FA sign-they are sticking to guns and price is still high

Those offers are all very encouraging that we will eventually get something done. it is beyond stupid, however, to continue to insist on some sort of mlb player rather than just getting the best package of prospects. I understand why they are doing it, but i wish we had the type of situation where we could go full tank and just focus on getting the best talent for the future.

If we can get Riley, anderson, and any 3rd piece we really need to jump on it. Enciarte is a nice player with a nice contract if i recall but we have OF talent and if the choice is between Inciarte and another prospect or 2 it should be a prospect every time. Also, dont worry about BA playing 3b longterm if we get riley cause if anderson is good enough we will find a spot for him given he's played 3b, 2b, and OF in his career and likely could play 1b lognterm too. I doubt if we get Anderson we would get touki. It would likely be one of their other non elite SP's like maybe Wilson or I could see buying low on Gohara after his bad year off the field last year.

If Tucker is involved from Houston then it also should only be a matter of time. Both teams have tons of pitching depth and this hassle over the lesser prospects shouldnt be this big of an issue. That goes for pretty much every team involved in this market cause the rays might have the best system of them all.

[Namaste]

Wait, in the new SRO area? or in that left part above the bullpen?

The former Jose’s Heroes part of the ballpark. Those are great value seats (except the new annoying DJ guy music seems to be louder in that area).

[fish16]

looking forward to seeing the changes they are making. definitely gonna buy the SRO seats to get in and then just sit wherever like i used to buy fish tank seats at the old stadium for like $12 and sit right behind the plate.

[lou]

Grandal Brewers

Sweet

[fauowls44]

Grandal Brewers

Sweet

Nice. This has to be what the Marlins were waiting to happen. JT is now the far and away best option available at catcher(he always was anyway). If you are the Dodgers and you think you can win the World Series, you can't possibly be looking at your depth chart this morning and think you are fine at the catcher position. Same goes for the Astros.

[fish16]

Grandal Brewers

Sweet

Great news if only for the fact that it should speed up the jt move

[lou]

Nice. This has to be what the Marlins were waiting to happen. JT is now the far and away best option available at catcher(he always was anyway). If you are the Dodgers and you think you can win the World Series, you can't possibly be looking at your depth chart this morning and think you are fine at the catcher position. Same goes for the Astros.

I think they will have to wait out Bryce and Manny still, but hopefully those get resolved soon

[fauowls44]

I think they will have to wait out Bryce and Manny still, but hopefully those get resolved soon

Perhaps, but the Astros aren't with in either Harper or Machado. The Dodgers are obviously going after Harper, but landing JT could help their chances. Wasn't Harper pushing for the Nats to trade for him last year?

And if you are the Astros (or another team), maybe you jump in and make your move for JT now knowing that the Dodgers are about to get involved.

[Lee Stone]

Think big. Let’s face it, the Rays’ top 30 prospects are a vastly better group than the Marlin 25-man roster. J. Sanchez, Fox, Brujan, R Hernandez, B and J Lowe, etc. would all be wonderful additions to the Marlins while being somewhat blocked in Tampa Bay. So … why not a megadeal? Urena would become a dandy and durable #3 starter for the Rays. He was brilliant esp. over the last month in 2018. And he’s cheap and controllable for three years. Same goes for Adam Conley. Realmuto is five-tool fantastic. Proposal: Marlin three for TB six. In 2020, Marlins have a new team to take the field with Brian Anderson. Fox and Brujan are the dynamic keystone combo. Sanchez, B Lowe, and J Lowe man the OF. Slugging Hernandez behind the plate. Why shouldn't this happen? Why couldn't it happen? Suddenly it would be easy to be a Marlin fan.

[fish16]

MLB has a real problem with the way free agency has been going in recent years and the lack of desire for teams to ever sign guys after they are no longer under team control. The next CBA should be very interesting and i really hope they address the ways teams can maneuver service time and address the obvious benefits to teams to keep guys down for way too long. idk what the answer is there but they need to change the incentives teams look at when deciding whether to bring guys up or down.

[rmc523]

The former Jose’s Heroes part of the ballpark. Those are great value seats (except the new annoying DJ guy music seems to be louder in that area).

Well, the DJ is right there, so it makes sense. Didn't they fire the DJ, though?

looking forward to seeing the changes they are making. definitely gonna buy the SRO seats to get in and then just sit wherever like i used to buy fish tank seats at the old stadium for like $12 and sit right behind the plate.

Yeah, that sounds like the smart way to do it. Unless Jeter hires armed guards at each section to prevent that hahaha.

Think big. Let’s face it, the Rays’ top 30 prospects are a vastly better group than the Marlin 25-man roster. J. Sanchez, Fox, Brujan, R Hernandez, B and J Lowe, etc. would all be wonderful additions to the Marlins while being somewhat blocked in Tampa Bay. So … why not a megadeal? Urena would become a dandy and durable #3 starter for the Rays. He was brilliant esp. over the last month in 2018. And he’s cheap and controllable for three years. Same goes for Adam Conley. Realmuto is five-tool fantastic. Proposal: Marlin three for TB six. In 2020, Marlins have a new team to take the field with Brian Anderson. Fox and Brujan are the dynamic keystone combo. Sanchez, B Lowe, and J Lowe man the OF. Slugging Hernandez behind the plate. Why shouldn't this happen? Why couldn't it happen? Suddenly it would be easy to be a Marlin fan.

You just said their top 30 prospects were better than everyone on the Marlins' 25-man roster. Why would they want anyone we have then?

[fish16]

Think big. Let’s face it, the Rays’ top 30 prospects are a vastly better group than the Marlin 25-man roster. J. Sanchez, Fox, Brujan, R Hernandez, B and J Lowe, etc. would all be wonderful additions to the Marlins while being somewhat blocked in Tampa Bay. So … why not a megadeal? Urena would become a dandy and durable #3 starter for the Rays. He was brilliant esp. over the last month in 2018. And he’s cheap and controllable for three years. Same goes for Adam Conley. Realmuto is five-tool fantastic. Proposal: Marlin three for TB six. In 2020, Marlins have a new team to take the field with Brian Anderson. Fox and Brujan are the dynamic keystone combo. Sanchez, B Lowe, and J Lowe man the OF. Slugging Hernandez behind the plate. Why shouldn't this happen? Why couldn't it happen? Suddenly it would be easy to be a Marlin fan.

Marlins arent trading Urena first of all and calling the rays top 30 a vastly better group than the marlins 25 man roster is an enormous overstatement. They have a great farm system just about at every position and every level of the minors as well as star talent on top of great depth.

Urena makes no sense for the marlins to trade yet. Earliest would be trade deadline depending on development of other starters and his value but most likely time would be next offseason.

It's annoying as hell to wait, but given the teams in the mix for JT and their farm systems being great (Braves, Rays, Astros, Dodgers) the long awaited deal should be great value.

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Ideal package from each team (not what i think is likely to happen and could also include Straily/Steck/Conley)

Astros- Tucker, Martin/other similar SP/maybe Nova?, Stubbs
Rays- Sanchez, Liberatore/Mclanahan, Hernandez
Braves- Anderson/Wright, Riley, other lesser SP like Gohara/Wentz/Allard/Wilson, and then maybe the catching prospect if we add someone else
Dodgers- Verdugo, Ruiz/Smith, 3rd guy like Lux or a SP

[lou]

Dozier to Nationals.

Good. Put pressure on Atlanta.

[tjfla]

Nice. This has to be what the Marlins were waiting to happen. JT is now the far and away best option available at catcher(he always was anyway). If you are the Dodgers and you think you can win the World Series, you can't possibly be looking at your depth chart this morning and think you are fine at the catcher position. Same goes for the Astros.

First step now they are waiting for Machado and Harper however Milwaukee signing him is a positive for us. Best case for us is Machado to CWS or NYY and Harper to Philly. Atlanta needs to get stronger then and LAD need a big splash still have NO C beside Barnes

Exactly if u are Atlanta/Houston/LAD/Oakland and u wanna go to the WS u need an upgrade and there is NONE on the market beside JT/Cervelli

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MLB has a real problem with the way free agency has been going in recent years and the lack of desire for teams to ever sign guys after they are no longer under team control. The next CBA should be very interesting and i really hope they address the ways teams can maneuver service time and address the obvious benefits to teams to keep guys down for way too long. idk what the answer is there but they need to change the incentives teams look at when deciding whether to bring guys up or down.

Problem with FA is agents who are shooting for the moon and teams are willing to take chances with young guys