2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[emkayseven]

agree with Nick here, even without power if he has elite defense and speed he will play

[Lee Stone]

I think Law nailed the top three with Eder, Fulton and Perez. The Marlins team I want to see in a year or two is Nunez at SS with Jazz, Cappe, Lewis and Watson all on the field wherever. Great athletes. I had Salas firmly amidst that group too.

Nunez is a slappy hitter, but the on base percentage is there. When you have such solid pitching, you want to add to it with excellent fielders everywhere.

Yep, given that we ended up losing Salas with Lopez, my suggested trade of Alcantara to the Dodgers for Oatman (CF), Vargas (1B or 3B) and Cartaya (C) would have been the way to go. Put those three in the Marlins opening day lineup and we'd be feeling much better about our team, especialliy for the future.

[lou]

I think Law nailed the top three with Eder, Fulton and Perez. The Marlins team I want to see in a year or two is Nunez at SS with Jazz, Cappe, Lewis and Watson all on the field wherever. Great athletes. I had Salas firmly amidst that group too.

Nunez is a slappy hitter, but the on base percentage is there. When you have such solid pitching, you want to add to it with excellent fielders everywhere.

Yep, given that we ended up losing Salas with Lopez, my suggested trade of Alcantara to the Dodgers for Oatman (CF), Vargas (1B or 3B) and Cartaya (C) would have been the way to go. Put those three in the Marlins opening day lineup and we'd be feeling much better about our team, especialliy for the future.

What a terrible trade. Even your BTV website thinks that's an outrageous joke. Would be one of the worst trades in the history of baseball.

[lou]

Nice write ups for Fulton, Mack, Lewis, and Mesa Jr.

That stinks with Watson getting a 2B grade, Berry so low even just based on his bat, and Amaya is pretty low as well.


I read this that there is reliever risk with Fulton, Eder, Meyer, and Sixto, so positioning the staff as Sandy, Luzardo, Eury, Rogers, and let them all fight seems the way to go. Garrett, Cabrera, Fulton, Eder, Meyer, and Sixto, combined with Bender, Enright/Chargois/Soriano, Reynolds/Nardi/Simpson all of a sudden becomes 13 arms.

[fish16]

If there is one thing that should be able to improve for a skinny 22-year old it's his power. My bigger concern with Nunez is the K's he needs to cut down on the Ks or the BA could plummet at the majors.

That being said a SS that is above average defensively (and Nunez might be better than just above average) gives you a .340 OBP, .315 SLG and goes 50/60 in steals in a year. I think that plays as a starter, I really do, and I think it's realistic for a guy like Nunez, with just a little increase in power and like I said, cutting down some on the Ks.

Absolutely that plays, my concern is that i dont think he gets to even that level of slugging at the major league level at this point. im not going to use his career minors numbers because his first season drags them down quite a bit, but if he is at .251 average, .701 OPS, .384 OBP, and .317 slugging in A+ and AA, what does that go down to in the big leagues? I think if he can be .660+ OPS, with his speed and defense, that will be fine. But anything lower and it gets hard. As i said, i think he can be a useful piece with just his OBP and defesne and speed as a bench guy. but as a starter, we would need his current minor league numbers to pretty much transfer over entirely to the big leagues with limited drop off, and thats hard to see.

But as you said, he can get stronger and develop even a little bit more power as he grows into his body and it could work, but that's a big if. I'd hand him over to whoever their strength coach is and get him eating and lifting a ton.

[fish16]

Nice write ups for Fulton, Mack, Lewis, and Mesa Jr.

That stinks with Watson getting a 2B grade, Berry so low even just based on his bat, and Amaya is pretty low as well.


I read this that there is reliever risk with Fulton, Eder, Meyer, and Sixto, so positioning the staff as Sandy, Luzardo, Eury, Rogers, and let them all fight seems the way to go. Garrett, Cabrera, Fulton, Eder, Meyer, and Sixto, combined with Bender, Enright/Chargois/Soriano, Reynolds/Nardi/Simpson all of a sudden becomes 13 arms.

i feel like Rogers could be an andrew miller type asset out of the pen. Granted its 2 years only, but he seems to wear down past the 5th inning, even in his all star season. His numbers the 3rd time around crumbled even in 2021. He is still young, so there can be room for growth, but with his velocity and stuff and with our multitude of other SP options, him as a lefty multi inning guy out of the pen could be pretty elite.

To me, Sandy, Luzardo, and Cabrera are sure fire starters who you dont mess with. So that's 3. Then in the future its Eury as the 4th. It will be very interesting to see what they do with the 5th spot. Tons of options, and a bunch of guys who could really be effective as pen guys like Rogers, Meyer, and Sixto. Eder and Fulton to me are pure SP's as of now.

[fish16]

ideally in 2-3 years, all of Watson, Cappe, and Lewis develop and they slot Arraez at 1b or DH, Lewis at 2b, Watson at SS, and Cappe at 3b. Highly unlikely to ever happen though.

[lou]

Absolutely that plays, my concern is that i dont think he gets to even that level of slugging at the major league level at this point. im not going to use his career minors numbers because his first season drags them down quite a bit, but if he is at .251 average, .701 OPS, .384 OBP, and .317 slugging in A+ and AA, what does that go down to in the big leagues? I think if he can be .660+ OPS, with his speed and defense, that will be fine. But anything lower and it gets hard. As i said, i think he can be a useful piece with just his OBP and defesne and speed as a bench guy. but as a starter, we would need his current minor league numbers to pretty much transfer over entirely to the big leagues with limited drop off, and thats hard to see.

But as you said, he can get stronger and develop even a little bit more power as he grows into his body and it could work, but that's a big if. I'd hand him over to whoever their strength coach is and get him eating and lifting a ton.

He doesn't need a .660 OPS. Nasim is a Nicky Lopez comp - https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ni...position=2B/SS

Lopez Career .252/.309/.321 (.294 BABIP), 7% BB, 14% K, 36 SB, wizard defensively - 6.8 WAR in 1639 PA. That's a 2.4 WAR player per 600 PA. It is definitely skewed with his other wordly 2021, but he also did it. So just scale Nunez likely down defensively a little as Lopez is outrageous, optimistically give him a little extra BBs/base running bumps, and if he scales to a 1.4 WAR player per 600 PA doing that, great! What a great bench player. He could be a .250/.300/.275 guy and be over a 1+ WAR player if the speed holds and he is that good defensively you know? That's good for club controlled prices at minimum.

I'd teach him how to bunt/play to contact. Nasim is 5'9. He's never going to slug. Don't try and make him something he is not. Try and get a .300+ OBP out of him and let his defense/speed be his calling card. Get the whiffs down.

Also, there is this - MiLB split tools suck if anyone can find better one, but you can see the writing on the wall here. Can he get to a .650 OPS vs RHP only and all of a sudden, we *are* talking about Nicky Lopez versus 2/3rds the league.

Nunez Beloit splits 2022
vs LHP - .229/.347/.389 (.636) - 61 AB
vs RHP - .253/.407/.336 (.743) - 217 AB

Nunez Jupiter splits 2021
vs LHP - .179/.273/.179 (.452) - 39 AB
vs RHP - .260/.388/.287 (.675) - 150 AB


And remember here, Amaya is right handed so maybe they have a defensive SS platoon emerging.

[Lee Stone]

What a terrible trade. Even your BTV website thinks that's an outrageous joke. Would be one of the worst trades in the history of baseball.

I didn't detail a complete trade, just some major upgrades that may have been available. Oatman is five tools and fits with my "all athlete" philosophy. Vargas would be the most athletic 1B around. Cartaya looks like a premium hitter at the C position.

[fish16]

I didn't detail a complete trade, just some major upgrades that may have been available. Oatman is five tools and fits with my "all athlete" philosophy. Vargas would be the most athletic 1B around. Cartaya looks like a premium hitter at the C position.

there is no trade that makes any sense for Sandy. We have more than enough pitching to improve the lineup in other areas. you dont trade a guy on a dirt cheap contract for what sandy provides. I dont even care if he gets injured in the future. you dont trade sandy. He's too dominant and he throws too many innings to make any trade worth it.

With his contract, including the last year of a club option, he's due 70 million over the next 5 years. On the open market, he'd make more than that over the next 2 years. We get it for 5. It would be idiotic to trade that when we have the amount of valuable SP's we do right now to deal in order to improve the lineup.

We all remember how dominant beckett was in the 2003 postseason. Sandy just put up similar numbers and dominance over a full 162 game season.

[lou]

I didn't detail a complete trade, just some major upgrades that may have been available. Oatman is five tools and fits with my "all athlete" philosophy. Vargas would be the most athletic 1B around. Cartaya looks like a premium hitter at the C position.

Not major upgrades compared to losing Sandy. Major downgrade.

This isn't the one Lee.

[Todd]

We all remember how dominant beckett was in the 2003 postseason. Sandy just put up similar numbers and dominance over a full 162 game season.

Beckett had a 2.12 ERA. .84 WHIP, 10.3 K/9, and 2 CG SO in 5 starts. It is arguably one of the best collective pitching performances in MLB history(ironically its overshadowed mostly by his 2007 with Boston...Beckett without blisters is probably in the conversation for greatest pitcher ever).

Let's not get carried away.

Alcantra had a very good season but it isn't "in discussion for best ever" territory.

[fish16]

Beckett had a 2.12 ERA. .84 WHIP, 10.3 K/9, and 2 CG SO in 5 starts. It is arguably one of the best collective pitching performances in MLB history(ironically its overshadowed mostly by his 2007 with Boston...Beckett without blisters is probably in the conversation for greatest pitcher ever).

Let's not get carried away.

Alcantra had a very good season but it isn't "in discussion for best ever" territory.

Beckett actually had a 2.11 ERA and .77 WHIP in 5 starts, 6 games total. 47/12 K/BB ratio in 6 games, 5 atarts, over 42.2 innings. Good for a 3.9 K/BB ratio.
Sandy last year had a 2.28 ERA and .98 WHIP. He had a 207/50 K/BB ratio in 228.2 IP. Good for a 4.1 K/BB ratio. He also had 5 CG's last year, and 8 total starts without giving up a run. He gave up 1 ER or less in 16 of his 32 starts. He pitched into the 8th inning of 15 of his 32 starts.

Beckett's numbers were slightly better and this is a stupid thing to get into a fight about, but Sandy's numbers were absolutely in the beckett 2003 playoff zone over a full season.

[Namaste]

Beckett had a 2.12 ERA. .84 WHIP, 10.3 K/9, and 2 CG SO in 5 starts. It is arguably one of the best collective pitching performances in MLB history(ironically its overshadowed mostly by his 2007 with Boston...Beckett without blisters is probably in the conversation for greatest pitcher ever).

Let's not get carried away.

Alcantra had a very good season but it isn't "in discussion for best ever" territory.

Doubling down on on his Sandy position. Incredible.

[fish16]

Doubling down on on his Sandy position. Incredible.

stats are stats. Saying both were incredible for those respective periods of time does not take away from either. Sandy put up a similar season to the numbers from Beckett's postseason in 2003. Beckett's were ever so slightly better and of course in higher leverage. The numbers are still very similar. Theres a reason why sandy won the cy young on a terrible team and put up 8 war according to baseball reference and finished 10th in mvp voting.