2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[lou]

if we have an owner who can "splurge" for a bottom 10 payroll he needs to sell the team.

We are all here

[fish16]

We are all here

Exactly. And that should have said can’t obviously. The frustrating thing is there’s a path to making this a competitive team but they have done 0 to make anyone think that any of this is possible

[fish16]

I didn’t realize how competent Longoria has been the last few years. Obviously it’s a step down from what he was but I thought he was high 600 ops and low .700 ops but it’s been a lot better and in a bad ballpark to boot

[fish16]

conforto to the giants, 2 years 36 million as we watch the last good free agent bat go off the board while we still havent signed a single major league free agent this offseason

[rmc523]

Ridiculous that we seem to have no indication to sign or trade for anyone to improve the team.

Like I said yesterday, we'll sign Hosmer and Moustakas and pretend like it's a big deal.

[rmc523]

To further show how pathetic things are, their tease/advertising for opening day tickets include "Mets vs Marlins" and have pictures of Sandy and Jazz, and Verlander and Lindor, instead of focusing on the Marlins themselves.

[Namaste]

$18 million a year for a guy who hasn’t played baseball in 18 months and can’t play CF in Miami? No thanks. Giants over pay because of the Correa disaster.

I will save my anger for a few more months if they don’t address CF/SS and our bullpen.

[Namaste]

$18 million a year for a guy who hasn’t played baseball in 18 months and can’t play CF in Miami? No thanks. Giants over pay because of the Correa disaster.

I will save my anger for a few more months if they don’t address CF/SS and our bullpen.

Let me rephrase this a little..,


I’m already annoyed that Bruce “In Over His Head” Sherman didn’t sign one of the 4 elite SS’s that were available. Sherman has no business owning a pro sports franchise. He’s essentially too poor to own one.

But not signing Michael Conforto in 2023 is not something that bothers me.

[lou]

Let me rephrase this a little..,


I’m already annoyed that Bruce “In Over His Head” Sherman didn’t sign one of the 4 elite SS’s that were available. Sherman has no business owning a pro sports franchise. He’s essentially too poor to own one.

But not signing Michael Conforto in 2023 is not something that bothers me.

I'm with you here.

What would be inspiring at this stage is to sign Eovaldi, Cueto, and Longoria for say $30m combined

And then do 3 bats trades - Pablo, Rogers/Luzardo/Garrett, and "MLB spare parts, Salas, and others"

They probably can do that for for $110m and if that is D. Jansen, A. Thomas, and A. Rosario, and maybe a reliever and some more prospects coming back, I think we'd all be pretty pleased with that team all things considered.

Would have been much easier just signing a SS, but you know.

[Lee Stone]

I'm merely hoping that the Yankees will give us SS Peraza for Lopez. I'd like CF Pineira with him, and would toss in Rojas. Balitmore could provide a helluva prospect package for Sandy, which would be my first choice. The O's are reportedly after an ace. Absolute no to trading Eder or Fulton.

[lou]

I'm merely hoping that the Yankees will give us SS Peraza for Lopez. I'd like CF Pineira with him, and would toss in Rojas. Balitmore could provide a helluva prospect package for Sandy, which would be my first choice. The O's are reportedly after an ace. Absolute no to trading Eder or Fulton.

Yankees have SP so not sure Pablo is the best move for them.

If you want to deal with them, I think you absorb A LOT of Donaldson and Hicks $$$ which bails them on luxury, ask for Peraza and Peirera for sure, and shoot back Wendle/Rojas (their pick) and then we'd have to seriously think about what to send on top. Eating money is one thing, but Peraza is their longterm SS and they didn't sign one of the big 4, so something significant will have to go back. Maybe send back Salas (i.e. potential SS/3B down the road to time shift the IF prospect for the Yankees) and take on another decent not not top tier Yankee prospect to even that out as Salas is probably too much to eat all that money.

Solves 3B/1B platoon, CF platoon + your guy next year longterm, and SS longterm. And still have a SP to trade (Pablo) to decrease payroll. Danny Jansen/Martinez starts making A LOT of sense there from the Jays.... which then you can trade Stallings for further payroll dumping.

This works for me. 4 new bats now, with two being longterm up the middle options, and 2 major prospects coming up behind them. It cost eating $30m+, Pablo, Salas, Rojas/Wendle here.

Jansen, Fortes
Cooper (Berry longterm)
Jazz
Peraza, Wendle/Rojas
Donaldson, Berti (O. Martinez/Groshans longterm)
DLC, Sanchez (and Bleday)
Hicks (Pereira longterm)
Garcia
Soler

Still have every major SP besides Pablo and for the love of god, they better draft two college OF in 2023 with their first two picks.'


Just saying, if they can't sign these Abreu/Turner FA, just salary dump them and bail someone out.

[fish16]

If we're getting a blue jays catcher for Pablo i would need it to be Kirk. If we have to throw in another prospect so be it. Kirk is an absolute stud. If we can walk away from this disaster of an offseason with Kirk, Reynolds, and Cueto, i'd consider that a huge win. Heyman backed up morosi's report from the other day about us going after cueto so lets see if Ng can actually complete a deal instead of just "checking in", "being interested in", "made an offer to", or "kicking the tires on."

C- Kirk/Fortes
1b- Coop
2b- Jazz
SS-Rojas
3b- Wendle
LF- DLC/Sanchez/Bleday
CF- Reynolds
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler

Bench- Berti, Fortes, Backup OF, Backup OF.

That is still lacking at SS and 3b, but that's at least a drastic improvement and features 3 legit stars in Kirk, Jazz, and Reynolds, plus there is reasonable hope that Garcia and Soler have their good years instead of bad years. Especially garcia. He was brutal last year but it wouldnt surprise me at all to see him bounce back. It would help if he shows up to spring skinny instead of showing up to September skinny for the first time all year.

[lou]

If we're getting a blue jays catcher for Pablo i would need it to be Kirk. If we have to throw in another prospect so be it. Kirk is an absolute stud. If we can walk away from this disaster of an offseason with Kirk, Reynolds, and Cueto, i'd consider that a huge win. Heyman backed up morosi's report from the other day about us going after cueto so lets see if Ng can actually complete a deal instead of just "checking in", "being interested in", "made an offer to", or "kicking the tires on."

C- Kirk/Fortes
1b- Coop
2b- Jazz
SS-Rojas
3b- Wendle
LF- DLC/Sanchez/Bleday
CF- Reynolds
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler

Bench- Berti, Fortes, Backup OF, Backup OF.

That is still lacking at SS and 3b, but that's at least a drastic improvement and features 3 legit stars in Kirk, Jazz, and Reynolds, plus there is reasonable hope that Garcia and Soler have their good years instead of bad years. Especially garcia. He was brutal last year but it wouldnt surprise me at all to see him bounce back. It would help if he shows up to spring skinny instead of showing up to September skinny for the first time all year.

The issue with Kirk is he may physically evolve off catcher. And I mean, big picture if Berry is the 1B and Kirk the DH, it works like that longterm, but it might not be a forever thing at Catcher. And why trade an elite asset for a non-up the middle player right now? Jansen is staying at C forever. Of course, they can also just keep Fortes, use Kirk for now, and deal with catcher in 2 years (and god willingly Mack is so good it all works out doing nothing). I'm fine with either, but would prefer Jansen as I know what we'd be getting and they can sign him for 5 years.

Maybe they should do anything?

[fish16]

The issue with Kirk is he may physically evolve off catcher. And I mean, big picture if Berry is the 1B and Kirk the DH, it works like that longterm, but it might not be a forever thing at Catcher. And why trade an elite asset for a non-up the middle player right now? Jansen is staying at C forever. Of course, they can also just keep Fortes, use Kirk for now, and deal with catcher in 2 years (and god willingly Mack is so good it all works out doing nothing). I'm fine with either, but would prefer Jansen as I know what we'd be getting and they can sign him for 5 years.

Maybe they should do anything?

I think he would stick, especially with the automated strike zone eventually coming, He is a bit rotund but he graded out really well defensively last year according to fangraphs for whatever thats worth. It's the bat for me. Jansen also has only 2 years till free agency whereas kirk has 4, this year at the minimum. I dont trust Jansen's bat to translate here whereas i think kirk's bat and plate discipline would translate anywhere. Lots of guys go off in toronto for whatever reason. In about 1000 PA's for his career his OBP is only .307. He hit great last year, but i think that will be more of an outlier year than anything else for him.

And even if he does move off of C and has to be a DH, that bat can play anywhere. A world where berry is at first, Fortes at C, and Kirk at DH sounds good to me.

[fish16]

Varsho to the blue jays. That's yet another option gone. for Gabriel Moreno. So that's like 3 options gone between Kirk, Varsho, and Jansen. Unlikely they trade another C now. Way to go NG