2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[rmc523]

Yankees to re-sign Rizzo to a 2 year deal in the 30-35M range.

[sports24/7]

Specifically, what "big moves" would you like to see? Exactly who would you trade for and who would you trade? And if you had $20M to spend on a free agent (s), who exactly would you sign?

I'd like to see them parlay some of their prospects into a legitimate bat, ideally a CF. And I think it would be very reasonable to them to also sign Schwarber, and a closer because I don't believe they should only have $20M to spend. I don't know who's available, but I'd be calling about Reynolds, Mullins, Lauriano, the Blue Jays outfielders, and any other fairly young good CF that might be available. And I don't know which prospects specifically they'd want, but I would have no problem giving up two top prospects and more to get one of them. I'd also have no problem dealing Pablo and lessening the prospect price.

[Lee Stone]

Good speed, fantastic arm, and great jumps on balls off the bat ... that's what's needed in CF. From today's Marlins website: "Mattingly noted that Jesus Sanchez, whose outfield jumps in 2021 ranked in the 97th percentile per Statcast, would get reps there."

Sure would like to see Jesus get LOTS of reps in CF this spring. He'd be my first option. If deemed workable, that would allow Garcia to play his optimum spot in RF.

Prospects that I wouldn't trade: Watson, Salas, Lewis, Perez, and Eder. That leaves a couple hundred available as bait for a slugging left fielder.

[Nick]

Good speed, fantastic arm, and great jumps on balls off the bat ... that's what's needed in CF. From today's Marlins website: "Mattingly noted that Jesus Sanchez, whose outfield jumps in 2021 ranked in the 97th percentile per Statcast, would get reps there."

Sure would like to see Jesus get LOTS of reps in CF this spring. He'd be my first option. If deemed workable, that would allow Garcia to play his optimum spot in RF.

Prospects that I wouldn't trade: Watson, Salas, Lewis, Perez, and Eder. That leaves a couple hundred available as bait for a slugging left fielder.

I've been asking for this since they traded for him. After they didn't do it with him at AAA or the big leagues last year, I had pretty much given up hope. Would also like to see Jazz get reps.

[fish16]

Idk if that’s the plan but at this point Jesus Sanchez in cf would make the rest of their offseason make a ton more sense. I think that would be the best solution. He certainly has the athleticism to play center and he’s played there a lot in the past. Id much rather try that and sign a guy for 2-3 years and mid level money than decimate the farm for someone like reynolds who in my opinion doesn’t move the needle enough to trade multiple top 50 prospects

[Nick]

Just boggles my mind that they would try it now. He could've been playing CF almost every day in AAA last year. Could've been playing every day out there after Marte was traded. The organization was willing to try the likes of Adam Duvall, De la Cruz, Burdick and Bleday out in CF, so they've shown a willingness to try people out there, but now they want to try Sanchez. ok.

[lou]

Just boggles my mind that they would try it now. He could've been playing CF almost every day in AAA last year. Could've been playing every day out there after Marte was traded. The organization was willing to try the likes of Adam Duvall, De la Cruz, Burdick and Bleday out in CF, so they've shown a willingness to try people out there, but now they want to try Sanchez. ok.

It's two things:

Internal - Let's see what we have with Sanchez, Garcia, Bleday, and Burdick out in CF

Externally - We don't need a CF - we have FOUR of them. Yea they play better in RF or LF so we'd still be interested in your legitimate CF so we improve our overall defense, but we aren't desperate. We are always looking to upgrade. Also, Eury is going to be a top 5 right hander like Beckett/Fernandez and Watson should have been the # 1 pick so let's not get crazy with your asking price. Meyer is good, and our doctors say he may grow 4 inches.

[lou]

Good speed, fantastic arm, and great jumps on balls off the bat ... that's what's needed in CF. From today's Marlins website: "Mattingly noted that Jesus Sanchez, whose outfield jumps in 2021 ranked in the 97th percentile per Statcast, would get reps there."

Sure would like to see Jesus get LOTS of reps in CF this spring. He'd be my first option. If deemed workable, that would allow Garcia to play his optimum spot in RF.

Prospects that I wouldn't trade: Watson, Salas, Lewis, Perez, and Eder. That leaves a couple hundred available as bait for a slugging left fielder.

I don't disagree if they do NOTHING, you might as well hope/pray Sanchez and Garcia can handle CF, as I imagine we all agree whatever bat would play in LF (presumably Cooper with Lewin DH'ing, or maybe they just radically promote Bleday/Burdick, absent another FA signing) would have more value than a defense-only cheap CF (Quinn) or DLC (really bad defensively in CF last year, low offensive upside).

Alternatively, I think sticking Jazz out there and playing Wendle at 2B, or shit even Anderson (I feel he can do everything) and seeing if he can do it are also plausible ideas.

However all roads lead to just get a CF. If Sanchez/Garcia can handle CF a little bit, Keirmaier is an excellent starter versus RHP (2.5 WAR last year under 400 PA!) and will cost them nothing to get and we've kicked the can a year. KK costs a few bucks, but if you can shed Bass and Cooper (I think both are doable), you should be able to afford Kenley OR Soler/Schwarber, and then use some minor league depth to trade for a cheap/young RP or DH upgrade depending on what you signed.

They got a lot of avenues to improve. I think it'll actually be more impressive if they don't as that's a whole new level of incompetence.

[fish16]

as long as Sanchez could be simply not a black hole defensively in CF id much rather try that than giving multiple top prospects on the cusp of the majors and with star potential for a guy like reynolds. Schwarber looks like he is going to Philly so that looks out but if they can grab soler or trade significantly less for a guy like marsh (1 good prospect and another filler or a 1 for 1 trade for Meyer) that is a much better idea to me than giving multiple top guys for a non superstar like Reynolds.

Stallings
1b- Lewin/Aguilar
2b- Jazz
SS- Rojas
3b- andy
LF- Sanchez
CF- Marsh
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler (preferably schwarber on a shorter deal)/Cooper

Sandy/Pablo/Rogers/Hernandez/Luzardo/Cabrera/Neidert

That's a much improved lineup (from awful to merely average) and if that rotation is healthy that's a team that competes for a playoff spot. Id also sign Jansen to a 2-3 year deal to shore up the back end of the bullpen and leave our current guys in their ideal roles.

Lou can help me out with what that payroll would be but its nothing remotely crazy for what our payroll should be.

[fish16]

i keep forgetting we have wendle. That to me indicates that in the right deal Anderson could go, although given his injury riddled year last year Id prefer to keep him as the value wouldn't match what he can actually bring to the team. Or they can just use wendle as a super utility guy playing 3-4 times a week in various spots.

[Nick]

It's two things:

Internal - Let's see what we have with Sanchez, Garcia, Bleday, and Burdick out in CF

Externally - We don't need a CF - we have FOUR of them. Yea they play better in RF or LF so we'd still be interested in your legitimate CF so we improve our overall defense, but we aren't desperate. We are always looking to upgrade. Also, Eury is going to be a top 5 right hander like Beckett/Fernandez and Watson should have been the # 1 pick so let's not get crazy with your asking price. Meyer is good, and our doctors say he may grow 4 inches.

But they didn't do that with Sanchez, They could've done what they did with Bleday and Burdick at AA with Sanchez at AAA, but chose not to. Maybe he'll go out there and be a natural in CF day one, but I would've liked to have seen some video of him out there.

[fish16]

i know laureano was suspended but was that already served? the last 2 years are a blur so that could have been at the end of 2020 or last year. If he isn't suspended still, given the rate at which the a's are purging their roster, laureano makes a ton of sense and wouldn't cost anywhere near as much as reynolds.

[lou]

as long as Sanchez could be simply not a black hole defensively in CF id much rather try that than giving multiple top prospects on the cusp of the majors and with star potential for a guy like reynolds. Schwarber looks like he is going to Philly so that looks out but if they can grab soler or trade significantly less for a guy like marsh (1 good prospect and another filler or a 1 for 1 trade for Meyer) that is a much better idea to me than giving multiple top guys for a non superstar like Reynolds.

Stallings
1b- Lewin/Aguilar
2b- Jazz
SS- Rojas
3b- andy
LF- Sanchez
CF- Marsh
RF- Garcia
DH- Soler (preferably schwarber on a shorter deal)/Cooper

Sandy/Pablo/Rogers/Hernandez/Luzardo/Cabrera/Neidert

That's a much improved lineup (from awful to merely average) and if that rotation is healthy that's a team that competes for a playoff spot. Id also sign Jansen to a 2-3 year deal to shore up the back end of the bullpen and leave our current guys in their ideal roles.

Lou can help me out with what that payroll would be but its nothing remotely crazy for what our payroll should be.

You can get away with that for $80-85m, with a few Soler/Kenley dollars moved to years 2-3 on those deals so a little back loaded (but not crazy).

You save more and it's clearly $80 if you move Cooper and Bass somewhere if possible. Also not sure how you get Marsh without Pablo (Angels need play now SP, Meyer is not that), but maybe they'd do like Floro and Meyer (maybe another prospect floats back to MIA - I will keep saying Jackson is a perfect 2nd guy in a Marsh deal. They don't need a longterm 3B type and he has "Jazz tools" which they obviously love). Floro also clears a few dollars so that's a good to move for payroll.

Basically

Floro/Meyer - Marsh/J. Jackson (ignoring nominal 3rd/4th pieces moving back and forth). Eleisier can work here also - they need a play now arm for sure and not just Meyer.

Bass/Cooper - Salary dump to like Minn/Bal/KC, and Marlins juice this with a top 10-20 prospect and take nothing back

(Those 3 things clear $8m)

Sign Soler and Kenley. Those deals should be $15m/year max, and year 1 maybe a little lower to fit into $80-85m range.

The negative of that team to me is really trusting Lewin to handle backup 1B time and he's not getting consistent PA to "develop." They could just keep Cooper also and not be cheap. But, I like a Lewin, Berti, Wendle, and DLC bench, assuming Garcia/Sanchez can handle some spot time in CF.

[lou]

i know laureano was suspended but was that already served? the last 2 years are a blur so that could have been at the end of 2020 or last year. If he isn't suspended still, given the rate at which the a's are purging their roster, laureano makes a ton of sense and wouldn't cost anywhere near as much as reynolds.

He's out 28 games, so mid-May or so.


Also - dump Bass and Cooper to the Angels above in that trade. They have money and can use them. I think they'd go for:

Floro/Hernandez, Meyer, Bass, Cooper
for
Marsh, J. Jackson, 1-3 prospects depending on quality

That clears $7m bucks, or half of Soler/Kenley and solves CF

[Nick]

Phillies get Schwarber, awesome.