2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

luzardo will have 1 more start which should allow him to get to exactly 100 innings but great year for him aside from the 1 injury. to this point, 17 starts, 94.1 Innings, 108 k's, 34 bb's, 3.53 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, and a 3.32 XFIP so he was truly good. If he stays healthy he is an absolute top of the rotation guy moving forward. To go along with Sandy, Cabrera, eventually Eury, Garrett, Rogers, and who knows with Eder, Fulton etc. More than enough depth to trade pablo for a bat or 2 that can help the lineup.

Not nearly enough for a good offense, but if you can get 2 upper minors bats for Pablo that you can start right away next year, then sign a major free agent (huge question mark), that's about as much as you can do to try and compete next year if they also sign 1 backend SP and a couple good middle relievers that are always available for cheap.

[lou]

luzardo will have 1 more start which should allow him to get to exactly 100 innings but great year for him aside from the 1 injury. to this point, 17 starts, 94.1 Innings, 108 k's, 34 bb's, 3.53 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, and a 3.32 XFIP so he was truly good. If he stays healthy he is an absolute top of the rotation guy moving forward. To go along with Sandy, Cabrera, eventually Eury, Garrett, Rogers, and who knows with Eder, Fulton etc. More than enough depth to trade pablo for a bat or 2 that can help the lineup.

Not nearly enough for a good offense, but if you can get 2 upper minors bats for Pablo that you can start right away next year, then sign a major free agent (huge question mark), that's about as much as you can do to try and compete next year if they also sign 1 backend SP and a couple good middle relievers that are always available for cheap.

You can keep saying more than enough depth to trade Pablo, but just because you keep repeating it doesn't mean it is anywhere near true. Eury hasn't pitched in months. Eder hasn't pitched longer. Fulton looks good but is 20 and likely a year or two away. Sixto is an unknown. Neidert lacks real upside but maybe he turns into a legit 5. He's probably their "14th or 15th" pitcher next year. Meyer, Bender, and Poteet are all hurt and unlikely to contribute next year. This depth you think they have is all a year away into 2024. I can see this group throwing under 100 cumulative innings next year, even if we all agree we really love the longterm potential here.

The prudent analysis is if they trade Pablo, they need to get in free agency minimum 250+ RHP innings from an assortment of starters and relievers. And those innings need to be pretty good as like you noted - the offense still won't be good so the pitching will have to dominate for them to win. If you want to project them signing those innings, then sure. For me, this is something like Mike Clevinger, Trevor Williams (fringe SP/bulk reliever), and "a closer." Ideally it's breaking the bank for Edwin Diaz and he's the Werth signing. Then Cooper and Rojas are traded for 40 man arms for the future and hopefully the next Bender/Pops. Pablo can be expendable on paper then and the staff makes sense. But in no way, shape, or form is internal depth solving that problem. This is a major issue and suggesting yea a backend SP and a couple good middle relievers are always available for cheap is short sighted. Because every team is always looking for pitching and if it was that easy everyone would do it. This is going to cost some bucks and how many do they have? And then, money is devoted to pitching so how does that impact spending on bats? Hence, Pablo at say $5-6m next year is insanely great value for 175 IP and may make the most sense.

They should keep him unless overwhelmed in a deal and add two big time relievers, as they should anticipate injuries (since you know, 5/6 of the starters were hurt this year and Sandy is throwing huge innings and going to WBC so he's a red flag to start the year so why are we attempting to build a not good enough offense when you can have a top 5 pitching staff. You win on the mound). Staff would be devastating. Bank on some rebounds from Stallings, Anderson, Garcia, and Soler, growth from Bleday, Groshans, and Fortes, health from Jazz, and solidness from Berti (who can raise real hell on the bases next year too) and Wendle, and then blow out the farm for two bats and try and get a cheap 1 year flyer in FA (like Joc Pederson). This team can *easily* move 6-8 prospects, like Meyer/Eder/Fulton, Salas, Watson/Cappe/Lewis, Burdick/Jerar/Sanchez, and then others in their 15-30 which is pretty deep to knock out 2 young player position upgrades. They don't need those prospects if they get 5-6 years of control to add to what they have in the bigs. To note, an unanticipated good consequence of sucking is their draft position is going to be much better this year so this will get replenished a little faster versus having a late teens first and second rounder. They may have three top 50 picks. Even more of a reason to focus on this being the trade.

So Pablo is a maybe as I keep saying, but the deal needs to be great. It's not a binary choice or a must.

BTW you can scale back Luzardo to his last 7 starts of 2021 where he really turned it on: for a larger sample: 129.1 IP, 3.76 ERA, 3.51 FIP, 3.61 xFIP, 1.11 WHIP, 10.16 K/9 - 2.3 WAR. They will have to monitor his innings next year, but they are in business. He's extremely more valuable than Marte moving forward - whose defense absolutely cratered this year. Glad they didn't keep him and I was right saying it was wise to not keep Starling from day 1. Just feel like mentioning that as Marte is a sore subject and this organization made unarguably the CORRECT move with Luzardo at this point.

[fish16]

You can keep saying more than enough depth to trade Pablo, but just because you keep repeating it doesn't mean it is anywhere near true. Eury hasn't pitched in months. Eder hasn't pitched longer. Fulton looks good but is 20 and likely a year or two away. Sixto is an unknown. Neidert lacks real upside but maybe he turns into a legit 5. He's probably their "14th or 15th" pitcher next year. Meyer, Bender, and Poteet are all hurt and unlikely to contribute next year. This depth you think they have is all a year away into 2024. I can see this group throwing under 100 cumulative innings next year, even if we all agree we really love the longterm potential here.

The prudent analysis is if they trade Pablo, they need to get in free agency minimum 250+ RHP innings from an assortment of starters and relievers. And those innings need to be pretty good as like you noted - the offense still won't be good so the pitching will have to dominate for them to win. If you want to project them signing those innings, then sure. For me, this is something like Mike Clevinger, Trevor Williams (fringe SP/bulk reliever), and "a closer." Ideally it's breaking the bank for Edwin Diaz and he's the Werth signing. Then Cooper and Rojas are traded for 40 man arms for the future and hopefully the next Bender/Pops. Pablo can be expendable on paper then and the staff makes sense. But in no way, shape, or form is internal depth solving that problem. This is a major issue and suggesting yea a backend SP and a couple good middle relievers are always available for cheap is short sighted. Because every team is always looking for pitching and if it was that easy everyone would do it. This is going to cost some bucks and how many do they have? And then, money is devoted to pitching so how does that impact spending on bats? Hence, Pablo at say $5-6m next year is insanely great value for 175 IP and may make the most sense.

They should keep him unless overwhelmed in a deal and add two big time relievers, as they should anticipate injuries (since you know, 5/6 of the starters were hurt this year and Sandy is throwing huge innings and going to WBC so he's a red flag to start the year so why are we attempting to build a not good enough offense when you can have a top 5 pitching staff. You win on the mound). Staff would be devastating. Bank on some rebounds from Stallings, Anderson, Garcia, and Soler, growth from Bleday, Groshans, and Fortes, health from Jazz, and solidness from Berti (who can raise real hell on the bases next year too) and Wendle, and then blow out the farm for two bats and try and get a cheap 1 year flyer in FA (like Joc Pederson). This team can *easily* move 6-8 prospects, like Meyer/Eder/Fulton, Salas, Watson/Cappe/Lewis, Burdick/Jerar/Sanchez, and then others in their 15-30 which is pretty deep to knock out 2 young player position upgrades. They don't need those prospects if they get 5-6 years of control to add to what they have in the bigs. To note, an unanticipated good consequence of sucking is their draft position is going to be much better this year so this will get replenished a little faster versus having a late teens first and second rounder. They may have three top 50 picks. Even more of a reason to focus on this being the trade.

So Pablo is a maybe as I keep saying, but the deal needs to be great. It's not a binary choice or a must.

BTW you can scale back Luzardo to his last 7 starts of 2021 where he really turned it on: for a larger sample: 129.1 IP, 3.76 ERA, 3.51 FIP, 3.61 xFIP, 1.11 WHIP, 10.16 K/9 - 2.3 WAR. They will have to monitor his innings next year, but they are in business. He's extremely more valuable than Marte moving forward - whose defense absolutely cratered this year. Glad they didn't keep him and I was right saying it was wise to not keep Starling from day 1. Just feel like mentioning that as Marte is a sore subject and this organization made unarguably the CORRECT move with Luzardo at this point.

i'll keep saying it because its true. Maybe they need to add a back end starter to eat some innings as insurance, but they have more than enough young pitching to make up for losing pablo. You like to talk about not seeing the forest through the trees, worrying about enough pitching depth when they have what they have plus what they dont have in the lineup is the textbook definition of not seeing the forest through the trees. You're worried about pitching depth for 1 year when they have a ton of young talent and can easily sign a backend innings eater for a year when they have 1 long term position player and nothing else but complete shit in the lineup. They need hitting as they have 1 long term position player, pablo isnt re-signing here, and his value will never be higher. You trade him for 2 upper minors bats you can slot in the lineup opening day next year.

I also stopped reading after you said Eury hasnt pitched in months when he has pitched twice in the last week and tied the minor league record for most consecutive k's to start a game literally last night with 8 in a row. He's started 4 different games in september.

[sports24/7]

I forgot that MLB will be going to a draft lottery this year. While the Marlins aren't realistically going to get a bottom 3 spot (which all have equal odds to get the top pick), their 7 remaining games are against teams fighting for playoff positioning. So 5th (with 10% odds at the top pick), with a slight chance at 4th (13.25%) is within reach. I'm sure that based on everything that's ever happened to this franchise, they'll fall in the draft as much as possible, and then probably botch whoever they take anyway, but it's an interesting thing to watch for.

[fish16]

I forgot that MLB will be going to a draft lottery this year. While the Marlins aren't realistically going to get a bottom 3 spot (which all have equal odds to get the top pick), their 7 remaining games are against teams fighting for playoff positioning. So 5th (with 10% odds at the top pick), with a slight chance at 4th (13.25%) is within reach. I'm sure that based on everything that's ever happened to this franchise, they'll fall in the draft as much as possible, and then probably botch whoever they take anyway, but it's an interesting thing to watch for.

i didnt realize they moved it to a lottery. at least that gives us something to look forward to or dread given our luck. we need some ml ready hitters. i wish MLB allowed trading of first round draft picks at least.

[Lee Stone]

I was crushed by Jesus Sanchez' weak season but buoyed by what he did in AAA in September. A swing adjustment resulted in a .391 AV and nearly .500 OBP! I would be very happy to see him and DeLaCruz be regulars in the Miami OF in 2023. It's a toss-up over which of them gets CF, but I'd lean toward Sanchez.

[lou]

i'll keep saying it because its true. Maybe they need to add a back end starter to eat some innings as insurance, but they have more than enough young pitching to make up for losing pablo. You like to talk about not seeing the forest through the trees, worrying about enough pitching depth when they have what they have plus what they dont have in the lineup is the textbook definition of not seeing the forest through the trees. You're worried about pitching depth for 1 year when they have a ton of young talent and can easily sign a backend innings eater for a year when they have 1 long term position player and nothing else but complete shit in the lineup. They need hitting as they have 1 long term position player, pablo isnt re-signing here, and his value will never be higher. You trade him for 2 upper minors bats you can slot in the lineup opening day next year.

I also stopped reading after you said Eury hasnt pitched in months when he has pitched twice in the last week and tied the minor league record for most consecutive k's to start a game literally last night with 8 in a row. He's started 4 different games in september.

Oh woe is me, I missed two 2 IP appearances from Eury this month (https://www.milb.com/player/eury-per...-mlb&year=2022) and maybe one more from yesterday isn't updated yet. Maybe you should keep reading as maybe you'll learn something one of these days. Like how you wanted to give Luzardo the *largest* contract ever to a pre-arbitration eligible SP a day ago. Luzardo is better than Sandy, Nola, and Snell to you - this is your position you gloss over. Cool.

Ignoring that, Eury is going to throw 90-ish innings this year, so at 20 years old he probably has a 120-130 max next year. Meaning if he does come up after the Super 2 deadline (because obviously financial concerns are extremely important with him), he's going to have 40(?) innings left? So he's a bulk reliever for 3 months best case scenario? This is the SOLUTION? You seem to think all these guys can throw 170-180 IP and don't understand their age and physical development at all. Fernandez was a freak and a fluke. Don't expect it to ever happen again.

The forest missing in the trees is you my man. Give *any* injury to one of the current SP (including if they keep Pablo) and they are in *real* trouble throwing a full season of innings unless you want to bank on a 20 year old Eury, 21 year old Fulton, 24 year old Eder off 1.5 years, and 24 year old Sixto off 2+ years from eating *significant* innings. For me, that isn't a bet I would take trying to contend. Alternatively, then you have to buy at a premium pitching at the deadline, and holy shit if the Marlins have to do that, that is a monumental FO failure when they can set the team up from day 1 relatively easily. So yes I am worried about 2023 pitching depth because I want to contend. The staff is ready and they need three bats so this idea they have a complete shit lineup is frivolous. As stated, banking on some rebounds from Stallings (1, will be better), Anderson (1.5, under career rates + health), Garcia (1, will be better under career rates dramatically), and Soler (1 likely better as never got hot and was hurt), growth from Bleday/Sanchez/Burdick/Jerar (1, someone should hit), Groshans (1, this is much lower then ZIPs projection), and Fortes (1, much lower than projections/production, and give him more and Stalling less if you want), health from Jazz (4, this may awesomely be low and is conservative), and solidness from Berti (1.5, lower than this year and career) and Wendle (1.5, lower than career) is a very "solid" core. But yes, they need two big upgrades and a third solid bat here. If you're wondering what the parenthesis, those are realistic WAR projections per roster spot. That is 14.5 WAR. They are a middle of the pack offense if they can get 4-6 WAR out of the last 3 spots. (So now do the math if Bruce does the right thing and signs a 4+ WAR Correa/Swanson/Xander/Turner/etc. and trades out the farm fro two more guys in the 1.5-2.5 WAR range sigh). Likewise you keep glossing over signing backend innings is easy, yet every team struggles with this every year? Signing a warm body isn't the goal. Winning 88 games is the goal and you're really bad at setting up a trajectory of how to get there with what they have, payroll, and depth.

Are you genuinely moving the goalposts back to 2024 already? Restarting Kim's clock already in September? This is the problem with Marlins fans, they are so accustomed to believing these prospects coming up a year early rushed are always the answer but that's not how you win. You should review how the Twins handled Johan Santana, Phillies Ryan Howard, and dare I say, how the Marlins handled Josh Willingham. Those were ideal situations and if you can't appreciate what those organizations did at the time, I can't help you. Compare this with the Spencer Torkelson disaster. Desperation. Your argument here is desperation with Eury, Eder, and Fulton. Hopefully the Tigers didn't ruin him, let's not ruin the pipeline here by rushing anyone. They have the resources to get MLB guys - so do it.

Regardless, maybe Pablo deal makes sense. Get A. Rosario (and resign him longterm) and N. Jones from Cleveland (hell throw in Naylor also and kick them back another player) and you have my interest very quickly. But absent something awesome like that happening, I'll keep beating the dead horse if I have to - they absolutely do not need to trade him as he's a huge asset and they need a player like him in the rotation with an extremely injured historical staff. Organization didn't make a mistake not moving him, and depending if they don't create another Aguilar/Soler/Cooper mess next year, likely won't make a mistake again keeping him. We'll see what they do, but I will continually stress here your ideas are not how you win 88 games in 2023 and this team needs to put up or shut up and not circle 2024 when they have yet another year of pitcher growth/get Meyer/Bender/Poteet back. Fuck all that - win some games.

[lou]

I was crushed by Jesus Sanchez' weak season but buoyed by what he did in AAA in September. A swing adjustment resulted in a .391 AV and nearly .500 OBP! I would be very happy to see him and DeLaCruz be regulars in the Miami OF in 2023. It's a toss-up over which of them gets CF, but I'd lean toward Sanchez.

This is also how you don't win 88 games

Edit - Sanchez has a .377 BABIP in AAA and DLC's September BABIP is .442. There we go.


Interestingly though to give DLC some credit as I bag on him A LOT, his career line is now:

548 PA, .264/.314/.423, 17 HR, 6.6% BB / 25% K, .328 BABIP
vs LHP - .671 OPS, and vs RHP .761 OPS

That BABIP has really normalized this year. Math always wins. Overall that is a 1.4 WAR, which effectively smokes Bleday and Garcia today which is just sad. His defense has cratered in CF and RF, but a smaller sample size suggests he is OK in LF. If that plays up in a platoon, great?

So given that all of these guys have options and they likely have 40 man spots for Bleday, Sanchez, Burdick, Jerar, and DLC, you can sell me let DLC beat these guys out in spring training for the strong side of a platoon against right handers. Maybe he has some Harold Ramirez magic in him. I guess they can play Anderson or Berti in LF and make DLC the primary LF. Still need an every day CF though.


That would trickle down the AAA bats to this which is just a great AAA depth chart if all of these guys are kept. Only Johnston maybe would get poached in Rule V if they don't protect him. And that's unlikely.

C - Henry / Banfield(soon?)
1B - Johnston
2B - L. Williams
SS - Nasim(Eventually?)
3B - LeBlanc or Groshans (other in MLB)
LF - Bleday
CF - Burdick
RF - Sanchez
DH - Jerar

[Lee Stone]

I don't think you are giving regard to developmental changes. Sanchez has apparently shortened his swing substantially. Look for this change as he hits over the last week of games.

[sports24/7]

Some interesting tidbits from Mish appearing on the Locked on Marlins podcast:

-He thinks they'll revisit Bryan Reynolds, and may be in a place where they have to bite the bullet and give up what the Pirates want. He says it's early and we don't even know who will be buyers or sellers, but says the Marlins have to be aggressive in trying to add a real all-star level bat.
-When talking about trade chips, he said he was surprised at the interest in Trevor Rogers at the deadline, and suggested that with the amount of lefties close to coming up, they could look to move a lefty, and Rogers could be in discussions.
-He said he doesn't think they're going to go out and give anyone a big contract. He says it's hard to fault Sherman for taking that stance when these people have yet to prove they can identify players to spend money on. Personally, I think that's a bad argument. If you don't trust these people to do that, then hire someone else. Or just sign someone everyone knows is good. You should be able to do that without having even a middle of the pack payroll.
-He said among the young players, Groshans is probably the only one they see in the plans moving forward. He said this will be it for Lewin Diaz, and he'll be included in a deal in the offseason.

[rmc523]

I think the lottery is a top….10? Are “protected” (I.e. you won’t be lower than a 10), so it’s not like we’d fall to 30th, but still…

I agree with the mentality of not signing someone big because they can’t identify the right players…..then show them the door!

also, Sixto is having another shoulder surgery and is aiming to be ready by spring training….yeah right lol. I’m counting him out for the season.

[lou]

Some interesting tidbits from Mish appearing on the Locked on Marlins podcast:

-He thinks they'll revisit Bryan Reynolds, and may be in a place where they have to bite the bullet and give up what the Pirates want. He says it's early and we don't even know who will be buyers or sellers, but says the Marlins have to be aggressive in trying to add a real all-star level bat.
-When talking about trade chips, he said he was surprised at the interest in Trevor Rogers at the deadline, and suggested that with the amount of lefties close to coming up, they could look to move a lefty, and Rogers could be in discussions.
-He said he doesn't think they're going to go out and give anyone a big contract. He says it's hard to fault Sherman for taking that stance when these people have yet to prove they can identify players to spend money on. Personally, I think that's a bad argument. If you don't trust these people to do that, then hire someone else. Or just sign someone everyone knows is good. You should be able to do that without having even a middle of the pack payroll.
-He said among the young players, Groshans is probably the only one they see in the plans moving forward. He said this will be it for Lewin Diaz, and he'll be included in a deal in the offseason.

The problem with Reynolds is he will cost Eury and a ton more, and Reynolds is likely a LF longterm (probably can do CF next year I'd imagine and that's it). That's fine, but Bleday, Sanchez, we'll say DLC, and maybe even Burdick are corner players. With Garcia signed forever, you are starting to teeter into Aguilar/Cooper/Soler territory of WTF is this positional arrangement with so many corner guys. I suppose you can punt CF defense for 2023 and keep everyone and have an unusual Reynolds/Sanchez/Burdick CF situation, but we're just the definition of insanity at this point hoping for a different outcome?

That being said, Bednar and Brubaker are *perfect* add-ons to Reynolds. So if you're going to move Eury, you demand those guys and lop in more. I'm not sure the Pirates care too much about a fancy RP and mediocre SP with 3 years of control with their contending timeline as moving Reynolds sets them back at least a year and they aren't a year away. Doing a quick surplus value analysis here....Reynolds, Bednar, and Brubaker are probably collectively $115-120m in surplus value. That package is for the Marlins would be INSANE. This is like a 6-3 trade idea.

Reynolds, Bednar, Brubaker, for.... (1) Eury (assuming FV65 valuation), (2) one of Berry/Salas/Watson/Cappe (assuming a FV50 valuation for any), (3) one of Sanchez/Bleday/Burdick/Jerar, (4) one of Nunez/Morisette/A. Santos/Peguero/ R. Hernandez, (5) one of Okert/Nardi/Simpson, and (6) one of Sixto/Poteet/Bender/McCambley/Soriano. The only alternative is THREE of Berry/Salas/Watson/Cappe/Meyer/Eder/Fulton (assuming a FV50 valuation for any), plus everyone else listed above. Then the Pirates are going quantity instead of 1 better guy with that though, and baseball will be lining up to give them a ton for him. Maybe Berry, Salas, and Meyer plus everyone else gets it done? Hard to say what is better for anyone here.

This works ignoring Eury's upside as you can extend Reynolds, give Bednar a "Clase" type buyout to control his cost and not have saves artificially raise arbitration, and Brubaker is just a hired gun to trade in a year or two when Meyer/Eder/Fulton are more ready. I am saying Brubaker here so fish16 can trade Pablo without hamstringing them. Overall, this creates a net $4m in payroll once Pablo is moved. Then let's trade Pablo and another of Sanchez/Bleday/Burdick/Jerar for A. Rosario and N. Jones (plus likely a prospect or two, which deflects on those last guys in the Pirates deal). Sign Rosario long-term for 4 years also.

So then they'd be at this for $84 million:

Fortes, Stallings
N. Jones
Jazz, Berti
Rosario, Wendle
Anderson, Groshans
B. Reynolds
________
Garcia
Soler

Sandy, Rogers, Brubaker, Luzardo, Cabrera, Garrett
Bednar, Floro, ______, Nance
Bleier, Scott, Okert

Other 40 man bats in AAA - Three of Sanchez/Bleday/Burdick/Jerar/DLC, Williams, LeBlanc, Henry, Johnston < - Real solid depth, could use a better SS though as Nasim not 2023 likely

Other 40 man arms in AAA - Sixto, Neidert, Soriano, one of Simpson/Nardi, projecting trade returns for Cooper and Rojas here < - This is OK if Eder and Fulton also helpful to any extent

Top remaining prospects - Berry, Meyer, Eder, Cappe, Fulton, Watson, Lewis, Mack, Miller, Lewis, Morisette, Nunez, and in-coming 2023 draft picks < - Would have low farm ranking, but Meyer/Eder/Mack being completely healthy and Watson rebounding eventually radically jumps this quickly as time goes by

Longterm DL - Bender, Poteet

On top of this, they could sign say T. Williams for the last pen spot and just chalk up CF to Reynolds and three of Sanchez/Bleday/Burdick/Jerar/DLC and see if they need a different CF at the deadline. That's a $90m dollar team and over a 40 WAR projection easily for 2023. This is a light years improvement via 2 trades centered around Eury/Salas and Pablo.

So you take a hit with Pablo, Eury, one of the big IF prospects, and a large assortment of mid-tier guys, but your years of control per position are now 5 (Fortes plus Mack), 6 (Jones plus Berry), 4 (Jazz and then your remaining IF prospects ), 4+ (Rosario, and then your IF prospects, assuming signing Rosario), 6 (Groshans, maybe Berry), Reynolds (3, and hopefully sign for more after but if no big contracts, this one is out), CF is still a dud, Garcia (3 and all the secondary OF), and 1-2 (Soler, but then all those secondary OF and/or Berry. Someone should hit), and 4-6 (entire rotation).

So they still need a CF but they can get by for 2023 likely, are completely loaded for years with cheap service time everywhere else, and god willingly Sixto, Meyer, Eder, and Fulton are back strong by 2024 so you'd have "10" SP and optimistically can move a few of them to cure remaining spots. Or Bruce decides hey let's run a $110m payroll and drop Nimmo on top of this and now we're in real business.


So yea long story long, trading Reynolds makes sense here if they get some other RP/SP involved, which opens up a Pablo trade. If you're going to trade Eury, you better get those secondary guys you want to make the juice worth the squeeze. Bednar would be a must at a minimum for me.



As for Rogers, FG summed it up this week. Don't sell low - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/trevor-r...changed-it-up/. You can do that same team above moving Rogers instead more than likely, not signing T. Williams (to keep under $90m), etc. It all works in a vacuum if Rogers gets you some bats.

And yea Groshans is it with the kids and they can hold all the OF on the 40 man for a year and see if the "Jesus Sanchez adjustment" works itself out for any of them.


This is the same drum being beat - they can do this but they will have to give some real value in trades and take some big swings to make it work. Top prospects must be moved and being cute with trying to find multiple $3m gems on 1 year deals and reclamation projects is not going to cut it.

[fish16]

love that avisail garcia is doing interviews talking about how much weight he's lost since the start of the season and how its helped him now that we're in the last week of the year. phenomenal timing, but needless to say he is a regression candidate next year. His track record has been every other year good performance his entire career, plus i cant help but think the lockout caused him to not be ready for the year. there is some regression hope for him and soler, but they need 1 major free agent signing and a deal for pablo for 2 upper minors major league ready position players.

[fish16]

another shoulder surgery for sixto. they say he will be ready for spring training but ive heard that before. at this point he's a lost cause and if you get anything for him then great. which is sad because his stuff was so fucking filthy.

We also overhauled pretty much the entire minor league personnel department today due to the terrible track record of developing hitters from within.

[fish16]

way too early but the first returns on jacob berry were exactly what i was worried about- it's a lot like colin moran. college "pro ready" bat that can move fast and is pretty defensively limited. But when the bat isnt as good as advertised you dont have much. Moran similarly was supposed to be this good power bat that can hit for average but the power never became what it was supposed to and he became a defensively limited average bat at a corner infield position. I hope we're not witnessing that again with Berry.