2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[lou]

I've always thought that was the right move but I think pablo's injuries have potentially hurt his value to the point where I think the front office might find the reynolds/big time prospect trade is the right move and I hope that's not the case. Pablo is a tremendous pitcher when healthy, but I think his injury history combined with his proximity to free agency makes him the obvious piece to flip for a bat. Id much prefer that deal to a trade where we deal 2-3 top prospects for a bat like reynolds. Like reynolds, but he is not worth blowing up the farm for. But again I would have to see the price. Would do Watson/Eury/Meyer as front runners individually, but any deal where 2 of them are in it and I'm out.

That's why it's the Angels - win now. Pablo does that. Trout and Ohtani aren't forever. They need to absorb those risks. And yea, we'll see. I'm optimistic.

[lou]

I have very little confidence that Sixto is “all-in” on rehabilitating post-surgery as efficiently as possible.

I love the guy but he looks out of shape in every photo and video I see of him.

If he’s ultimately a bust, Jeter will have traded Yelich and Realmuto for jack shit. That’s pretty wild.

But Sandy and Gallen/Jazz are pretty good? It's basically hitting 2/6 on the 6 main prospects in the Stanton/Yelich/Realmuto/Ozuna deals. They got lucky with Jesus Sanchez, and maybe Lewin turns into something to further bail them out from that rate.

But yea. Sixto working out - even into a Floro/Bender reliever - would really change the dynamic and make it look much better as a whole. I view ditching Stanton money as a win, so that would make it a net positive for me. I'm still not done with Isan either - .256 BABIP / 12.3% BB in 2021. He's been slow to adjust at all levels. Maybe he's a AAAA guy, but if he can hit .240.... which is just a .300 BABIP away.....

[fish16]

Those projections are asinine and not based in reality. He has had one stretch of games where he was not a negative and he had to massively outperform his peripherals to just be mediocre. He has .1 WAR in 240 career innings.

He is what, 27? With a fastball that sits in the 80s and subpar secondary pitches

He has no business being on an MLB roster let alone in a starting rotation.

He is absolutely a back of the rotation piece. Those numbers are thrown off because he was a rule 5 pick who we had to keep on the roster the entire first year which led to a -.5 WAR that year. He is great for 5 innings every 5th day and never facing a lineup a 3rd time. Ideally he can settle into a middle reliever multiple inning role, but he is absolutely capable as a back end rotation piece

[fish16]

That's why it's the Angels - win now. Pablo does that. Trout and Ohtani aren't forever. They need to absorb those risks. And yea, we'll see. I'm optimistic.

Completely agree.

I think pablo and fillers for Marsh/Adell and fillers and then signing Jansen would be phenomenal. I never like signing closers but I feel like in this situation its worth it. We have a lot of quality bullpen arms but none I really want in a closers role. If you sign him, it pushes everyone else in the pen down a role and I think that would help alleviate some of the pressure on guys like Bass and Bender. All of a sudden, you have 2 qualified set up men in those 2 guys, another lefty in Bleier, and another quality reliever in Floro. That's a really solid bullpen with potential for upside from the rotation leftovers like Cabrera, Sixto, etc.

[Lee Stone]

Burdick minor league OPS is .872. Marsh is .811.

[lou]

He is absolutely a back of the rotation piece. Those numbers are thrown off because he was a rule 5 pick who we had to keep on the roster the entire first year which led to a -.5 WAR that year. He is great for 5 innings every 5th day and never facing a lineup a 3rd time. Ideally he can settle into a middle reliever multiple inning role, but he is absolutely capable as a back end rotation piece

He's a twice through the lineup guy. Hernandez gets shelled third time through.

A perfect set up to start the year and then reassess in June may be Cabrera throwing fire for 1-2 innings (get through heart of order), then bring in Elisier to go through the lineup two times and pull him when the lineup turns back over to leadoff or # 2 hitter. Then, you can flip that around at the all star break and do the exact opposite - pull Hernandez 1 time through and then let Cabrera go 2+ times through depending on how he's doing. It helps both their innings, and keeps them both fresh for a hypothetical run. Unleash the bullpen fourth time through the lineup which is obvious.

I want those two throwing approx. 250 innings combined, split pretty close 50/50 on innings, and I wouldn't be shocked if it's 2-3 WAR.

[Nick]

Give me an Angels Trade where we get:

Brandon Marsh and Sam Bachman

for

Pablo Lopez, Brian Anderson and Anthony Bass

use that money you saved shedding those 3 to sign Jansen.

Sign Zach Greinke and a DH with pop (Rizzo/Schwarber/Castellanos)

and I'll be happy. Probably wishful thinking.

[lou]

Burdick minor league OPS is .872. Marsh is .811.

Cool story. Marsh is a year younger and a CF. And struck out 7% less in AA at a younger age. Burdick is a year older and not a CF.

Brandon Marsh # 15 overall prospect 2021, Burdick N/A

Burdick is fine, we all like him. Hopefully he is a more athletic Josh Willingham masher. But your stats are very bad.

[Nick]

Give me an Angels Trade where we get:

Brandon Marsh and Sam Bachman

for

Pablo Lopez, Brian Anderson and Anthony Bass

use that money you saved shedding those 3 to sign Jansen.

Sign Zach Greinke and a DH with pop (Rizzo/Schwarber/Castellanos)

and I'll be happy. Probably wishful thinking.

This team could be had for around $90 million which would still put us in the bottom 3rd of MLB payrolls.

[lou]

Give me an Angels Trade where we get:

Brandon Marsh and Sam Bachman

for

Pablo Lopez, Brian Anderson and Anthony Bass

use that money you saved shedding those 3 to sign Jansen.

Sign Zach Greinke and a DH with pop (Rizzo/Schwarber/Castellanos)

and I'll be happy. Probably wishful thinking.

Personally, I think Bachman is too much. They need to get their MLB ready guys to contend for themselves (right?). BUT, with Anderson, I think you can get Vera (# 3 prospect) and Jeremiah Jackson is a very very Marlins upside player (#9 prospect). They even compare him to Jazz and he can play 3B. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-41-p...ngeles-angels/

I'd do that trade - Marsh, Vera, Jackson, and a 11-20 guy. I'd also downgrade Anderson to Cooper and downgrade Vera to whoever as an alternative for a plan B (that's a better idea IMO to shed Cooper versus Anderson and they could use Cooper easily).

I'd then be all on board for Rizzo/Schwarber/Castellaos, Greinke, and then call it 2-3 bench/bullpen upgrades. Kenley may be too expensive, but there will be options for both bench/bullpen to have it make sense.

[lou]

This team could be had for around $90 million which would still put us in the bottom 3rd of MLB payrolls.

I agree on $90. This is easily $90 with some maneuvering.

Stallings, Forte
Aguilar
Jazz
Rojas, Berti
Anderson, Wendle
Sanchez, DLC
Marsh
Garcia
Rizzo/Schwarber (Castellanos too expensive)

Sandy, Rogers, Greinke, Hernandez, Luzardo
Kenley/Expensive Reliever, Bender, Floro, Cabrera, Pop, Head
Bleier, Okert

DL - Sixto
AAA - Meyer, Bleday, Burdick, Jeremiah Jackson, A. Jackson, Henry, Isan, Garrett, Neidert, Poteet, Holloway.......... And they've retained all major prospects


This is a 100% happy scenario for me

[lou]

Minor quib - they should also send Pop/Head to LAA in that hypothetical and then promote Garrett/Neidert/Poteet to 13th P slot. They will need a long/mop-up reliever

[Nick]

Personally, I think Bachman is too much. They need to get their MLB ready guys to contend for themselves (right?). BUT, with Anderson, I think you can get Vera (# 3 prospect) and Jeremiah Jackson is a very very Marlins upside player (#9 prospect). They even compare him to Jazz and he can play 3B. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-41-p...ngeles-angels/

I'd do that trade - Marsh, Vera, Jackson, and a 11-20 guy. I'd also downgrade Anderson to Cooper and downgrade Vera to whoever as an alternative for a plan B (that's a better idea IMO to shed Cooper versus Anderson and they could use Cooper easily).

I'd then be all on board for Rizzo/Schwarber/Castellaos, Greinke, and then call it 2-3 bench/bullpen upgrades. Kenley may be too expensive, but there will be options for both bench/bullpen to have it make sense.

I think you're higher on Marsh than me lou. No way would I do Pablo for Marsh straight up. We're also giving up Anderson, who takes Marsh's starting spot in corner OF. I don't think Bachman is too much to ask.

[lou]

I think you're higher on Marsh than me lou. No way would I do Pablo for Marsh straight up. We're also giving up Anderson, who takes Marsh's starting spot in corner OF. I don't think Bachman is too much to ask.

I don't either - it's an Angels perspective. Built to win and they do need arms.

Which is also why swap Cooper for Anderson in your hypo and take their #3/4 prospect instead. Anderson is also better for the Marlins and they have Rendon you know? Their OF is still Upton-Trout-Adell, with Walsh at 1B and Walsh/Cooper playing LF/RF/DH. It works for them for sure.

[Lee Stone]

I don't put much stock in Cabrera's rough first 28 major league innings - they looked a lot like what Trevor Rogers did. I see an outstanding year ahead for Edward.