September 2019 Game Thread

[lou]

Love it.

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.732 OPS from the SS position, great defender and the epitome of a team player. Love the move, Jeets.

Not just a fine deal because he’s good. It’s a nice reward for internal performance and message to the players. That’s how you start inching towards inspiring confidence.

[Nick]

Happy for Rojas, he's earned it with his performance, and seems like an all around good guy.

[Namaste]

Love it.

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.732 OPS from the SS position, great defender and the epitome of a team player. Love the move, Jeets.

Alternative take on this signing:

This signals that the Marlins will thrive or die on their prospects. With Rojas signed, my horny fantasy of Lindor becoming a Marlin is squashed like a bug on the windshield. Additionally, lou’s dream of Didi becoming a Marlin gets cruelly shot out of the sky.

It’s Jazz or bust (and probably Isan or bust etc etc).



ALTERNATIVE TAKE COME AT ME BROS

[Nick]

Alternative take on this signing:

This signals that the Marlins will thrive or die on their prospects. With Rojas signed, my horny fantasy of Lindor becoming a Marlin is squashed like a bug on the windshield. Additionally, lou’s dream of Didi becoming a Marlin gets cruelly shot out of the sky.

It’s Jazz or bust (and probably Isan or bust etc etc).



ALTERNATIVE TAKE COME AT ME BROS

The moment we traded Zac Gallen for Jazz those scenarios went out the window.

[tjfla]

Alternative take on this signing:

This signals that the Marlins will thrive or die on their prospects. With Rojas signed, my horny fantasy of Lindor becoming a Marlin is squashed like a bug on the windshield. Additionally, lou’s dream of Didi becoming a Marlin gets cruelly shot out of the sky.

It’s Jazz or bust (and probably Isan or bust etc etc).



ALTERNATIVE TAKE COME AT ME BROS

Lindor and Didi dreams are gone with the Jazz trade. In fact Marlins have the SS spot locked up for next 10 years in their eyes with Jazz and Nunez they have been moving ALL of their young SS guys to other spots. Been telling guys like Devers,Salas,Torres,Dalvy,Osiris to learn a new position(2b/3B/CF)

[lou]

Lindor and Didi dreams are gone with the Jazz trade. In fact Marlins have the SS spot locked up for next 10 years in their eyes with Jazz and Nunez they have been moving ALL of their young SS guys to other spots. Been telling guys like Devers,Salas,Torres,Dalvy,Osiris to learn a new position(2b/3B/CF)

Let’s pump the breaks on the Marlins have SS locked up for a decade, but it is good for everyone if Devers and Salas learn 2B and Osiris can develop as a guy who can man third. Increasing options isn’t a bad thing.

[lou]

The moment we traded Zac Gallen for Jazz those scenarios went out the window.

Yep. This is at the point they don’t “need” anything. By summer 21:

Alfaro - 20-23 (Banfield, Fortes minors)
Lewin 6+ years; Cooper 20-23 (Edwards, maybe Misner, Burdick, or Pompey minors)
Diaz 20-25 (Nunez, Devers, Salas minors)
Jazz 6+ years (Nunez, Devers minors)
Anderson 20-23 but hopefully he is bought out (maybe Osiris minors)
Bleday, Sanchez 6+ years (Scott, Misner, Burdick, maybe Osiris minors)
Monte, Sierra, Miller, VVM - 5-6 years control each (Scott, Misner minors)
Sandy, Pablo, Neidert, Sixto, Cabrera, Guzman, Elisier, Yamamoto, 4-6 years each (Fitterr, Mejia, Soriano, Palacios)
Caleb 20-23; Garret, Rogers 5-6 years each (stewart)
Garcia 20-24; Holloway, Dugger, Brigham, Quijada 5-6 years each (tons of other RP arms)

The organizational flow chart makes sense, especially if we consider 4-5 good names are coming from 2020/IFA, which I will presume be Capps (IFA-SS/3B), an ace top of draft, and next picks preferably C/3B/more arms

I typed that up because yes, the Marlins are going to live with this group turning into a contender. Post Jazz, Lewin, and Sanchez, I don’t see them shelling out major FA money absent a stud above average player because they really don’t need to do it with what is coming. Practically, spending money to show fans you care is maybe more important right now which is why the Rojas signing is great, they should buy out Anderson, etc.

I’m sensing from this depth chart a SP, 3B, or OF signing makes most sense because you can never have enough pitching and if everything works out, you can trade a starter easily, and based on the sheer OF numbers (which could include Anderson), signing a 3B/OF and trading from OF excess in another Gallen style trade makes sense to not impact the depth chart if some guys fail.

Broken record - rendon, Cole, ozuna, Castellanos, Wheeler, strausburg. Studs only. Didi would be here too if they didn’t commit enormous assets to Jazz, Nunez, and Rojas within last 3 months

[fauowls44]

Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Before we throw a parade though, this club owes the fan base a significant upgrade in on field talent next season which money will be required to attain.

I certainly agree with Mish here. They need to go and get 1, probably 2 bats in the offseason. The next step should be signing Anderson to an extension. Then go get a power bat for the middle of the order. The minor league depth is fantastic, but it's time to start focusing on the MLB team. On Twitter Mish said it's too early to guess who they target, but threw the names Abreu and Markakis out there as the type of established MLB hitters they should target as a bridge to the prospects.

[lou]

Craig Mish
@CraigMish
Before we throw a parade though, this club owes the fan base a significant upgrade in on field talent next season which money will be required to attain.

I certainly agree with Mish here. They need to go and get 1, probably 2 bats in the offseason. The next step should be signing Anderson to an extension. Then go get a power bat for the middle of the order. The minor league depth is fantastic, but it's time to start focusing on the MLB team. On Twitter Mish said it's too early to guess who they target, but threw the names Abreu and Markakis out there as the type of established MLB hitters they should target as a bridge to the prospects.

I mean those dudes don't push the needle at all. Sierra has the same WAR (.2) as Markakis does in 95 less games. You let the kids play. Markakis is a Walker replacement, who is older and can't play in the infield. Pass.

Abreu would be fine I guess if it's not the premier offseason move. But they need a versatile infielder more for a last spot. They need to spend big money on Rendon, Ozuna, or Castellanos. STUDS only. Maybe Puig if you think he is for real. If they do that, extend Anderson, re-sign Romo, re-sign Walker, keep Urena, then sure, Abreu can be a last move and trade him at the deadline and call up Monte and Lewin to sort out the field.

I like this better than any Abreu permutation.

Alfaro, Holaday/Wallach
Cooper, N. Walker
Isan
Rojas, Berti
Anderson, ____ (ton of FA - Kendrick, Dozier, Holt, Kipnis, etc. Someone will take a bench job with cleaner path to playing time)
Ramirez
Sierra, Brinson
Castellanos or Ozuna or put Anderson here and sign Rendon

You can pop Cooper, Anderson, Walker, Berti, and Rojas out into LF, so get three solid infield backups and they are going to play a lot as you can bench Ramirez half the time and Isan against tougher lefties (for now).

I am also committed to plunging into despair in CF and letting Sierra and Brinson fly or die until Monte is ready midseason. Maybe Berti can play there in a pinch or Ramirez too. I'd rather give them a clear opportunity to make it just in case they turn into players. I know this is probably controversial, but they invested a lot in those guys, they aren't winning the world series in 2020, and major help with Monte/Scott/VVM/Miller is coming so why spend any bucks there. Fly or die. I guess this is the Marlins, so sink or swim.

That's a pretty respectable position player core, assuming Lewin, Monte, and maybe Sanchez and Jazz might radically change things in July.

[Nick]

Abreu is a marginal upgrade to Cooper at best.

[Todd]

I don't think you can go into the season with Sierra and Brinson as the options at CF. If you upgrade other areas possibly.

I would personally like to see them flip Brinson for an arm that hasnt quite made it to the majors yet but could slot in the bullpen immediately(like a Tanner Houck type arm) and sign a stopgap for CF.

[rmc523]

I mean those dudes don't push the needle at all. Sierra has the same WAR (.2) as Markakis does in 95 less games. You let the kids play. Markakis is a Walker replacement, who is older and can't play in the infield. Pass.

Abreu would be fine I guess if it's not the premier offseason move. But they need a versatile infielder more for a last spot. They need to spend big money on Rendon, Ozuna, or Castellanos. STUDS only. Maybe Puig if you think he is for real. If they do that, extend Anderson, re-sign Romo, re-sign Walker, keep Urena, then sure, Abreu can be a last move and trade him at the deadline and call up Monte and Lewin to sort out the field.

I like this better than any Abreu permutation.

Alfaro, Holaday/Wallach
Cooper, N. Walker
Isan
Rojas, Berti
Anderson, ____ (ton of FA - Kendrick, Dozier, Holt, Kipnis, etc. Someone will take a bench job with cleaner path to playing time)
Ramirez
Sierra, Brinson
Castellanos or Ozuna or put Anderson here and sign Rendon

You can pop Cooper, Anderson, Walker, Berti, and Rojas out into LF, so get three solid infield backups and they are going to play a lot as you can bench Ramirez half the time and Isan against tougher lefties (for now).

I am also committed to plunging into despair in CF and letting Sierra and Brinson fly or die until Monte is ready midseason. Maybe Berti can play there in a pinch or Ramirez too. I'd rather give them a clear opportunity to make it just in case they turn into players. I know this is probably controversial, but they invested a lot in those guys, they aren't winning the world series in 2020, and major help with Monte/Scott/VVM/Miller is coming so why spend any bucks there. Fly or die. I guess this is the Marlins, so sink or swim.

That's a pretty respectable position player core, assuming Lewin, Monte, and maybe Sanchez and Jazz might radically change things in July.

I'll be happy to be wrong, but Brinson already has sunk to me. I haven't watched much in a while, but I did catch a Brinson AB the other day and he was doing ok, and then took strike 3 down the middle and just walked off, his demeanor being that of "shrug, oh well, I'm done caring".

[Namaste]

and just walked off, his demeanor being that of "shrug, oh well, I'm done caring".

My equally unscientific take on his demeanor after poor at bats is the complete opposite of yours. I think he’s trying to hard and he (Brinson) looks like he’s going to have a nervous breakdown.

[lou]

My equally unscientific take on his demeanor after poor at bats is the complete opposite of yours. I think he’s trying to hard and he (Brinson) looks like he’s going to have a nervous breakdown.

I'm with you here. This seems like a mechanic tweak to me.

I mean just hit .725 Brinson and you're a 10 year player in the league with your defense.

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I don't think you can go into the season with Sierra and Brinson as the options at CF. If you upgrade other areas possibly.

I would personally like to see them flip Brinson for an arm that hasnt quite made it to the majors yet but could slot in the bullpen immediately(like a Tanner Houck type arm) and sign a stopgap for CF.

I mean if it's equal value sure, but CF is a deeper hole than arms right now so I'm keeping him.

I think if he's terrible in spring training, you've hopefully brought in a veteran on a MILB. Better than Granderson to replace him

[rmc523]

My equally unscientific take on his demeanor after poor at bats is the complete opposite of yours. I think he’s trying to hard and he (Brinson) looks like he’s going to have a nervous breakdown.

It was only a single AB I saw, though, so maybe he does look like that mostly.