September 2019 Game Thread

[tjfla]

Yep. This is at the point they don’t “need” anything. By summer 21:

Alfaro - 20-23 (Banfield, Fortes minors)
Lewin 6+ years; Cooper 20-23 (Edwards, maybe Misner, Burdick, or Pompey minors)
Diaz 20-25 (Nunez, Devers, Salas minors)
Jazz 6+ years (Nunez, Devers minors)
Anderson 20-23 but hopefully he is bought out (maybe Osiris minors)
Bleday, Sanchez 6+ years (Scott, Misner, Burdick, maybe Osiris minors)
Monte, Sierra, Miller, VVM - 5-6 years control each (Scott, Misner minors)
Sandy, Pablo, Neidert, Sixto, Cabrera, Guzman, Elisier, Yamamoto, 4-6 years each (Fitterr, Mejia, Soriano, Palacios)
Caleb 20-23; Garret, Rogers 5-6 years each (stewart)
Garcia 20-24; Holloway, Dugger, Brigham, Quijada 5-6 years each (tons of other RP arms)

The organizational flow chart makes sense, especially if we consider 4-5 good names are coming from 2020/IFA, which I will presume be Capps (IFA-SS/3B), an ace top of draft, and next picks preferably C/3B/more arms

I typed that up because yes, the Marlins are going to live with this group turning into a contender. Post Jazz, Lewin, and Sanchez, I don’t see them shelling out major FA money absent a stud above average player because they really don’t need to do it with what is coming. Practically, spending money to show fans you care is maybe more important right now which is why the Rojas signing is great, they should buy out Anderson, etc.

I’m sensing from this depth chart a SP, 3B, or OF signing makes most sense because you can never have enough pitching and if everything works out, you can trade a starter easily, and based on the sheer OF numbers (which could include Anderson), signing a 3B/OF and trading from OF excess in another Gallen style trade makes sense to not impact the depth chart if some guys fail.

Broken record - rendon, Cole, ozuna, Castellanos, Wheeler, strausburg. Studs only. Didi would be here too if they didn’t commit enormous assets to Jazz, Nunez, and Rojas within last 3 months

Draft should be Austin Martin(2B/SS/3B) or arm(Hancock/Wilcox/Ginn/Lacy) around Garrett/Rogers age. Whoever it is it will be a college guy who will move fast and be same age as that group. We have 4 of Top 75 picks(as of right now) in a very college heavy draft and Cappe who is a SS but likely a 3B in year or 2. I would be fine with us going college heavy at top and then few HS mixed in(like this year). We have about 12 guys who should be moved up from DSL and low minors are already full so no point in taking HS guys because they won't get AB's/innings

But so true-Rendon and Cole first then if miss u talk to Ozuna/Castellanos/Puig and vet arm(like KC/Minn did this year) even if have to give 2 years.

[Namaste]

I would be completely blown away/ecstatic if they signed Cole/Rendon in the off season. My battle worn Marlins fan mind thinks there is less than a 5% chance that they offer either of those guys enough money to actually make it happen.

[Nick]

IMO if they don't make a legitimate play for 1 of those 2 guys then they aren't serious about contending in 2021.

[fish16]

I'll be happy to be wrong, but Brinson already has sunk to me. I haven't watched much in a while, but I did catch a Brinson AB the other day and he was doing ok, and then took strike 3 down the middle and just walked off, his demeanor being that of "shrug, oh well, I'm done caring".

ya he's done here. I'd be shocked if he wasnt flipped for another similar prospect who needs a change of scenery. You can debate whether he just always was a AAAA player or if they handled him horrendously since we got him, or both, but its just not gonna work here. Move on, see if Sierra can ever be something next year and then if not, just move on. Dont continue to try to make a sunk cost work when it clearly will not work. He's just one of those players who has all the physical tools but just isnt gonna put it together. It happens, but dont let a mistake continue to linger for the sake of trying to make it work.

[lou]

IMO if they don't make a legitimate play for 1 of those 2 guys then they aren't serious about contending in 2021.

Probably right.

Best guys in 2021 - Mookie, Springer (will be age 31 season), Bauer, Paxton (age 32), Ray. Mookie isn't an option as he'll get $300+ from a better club. Those later 4 may chase the money and that's where the Marlins can excel. Not sure this is a missing piece. I'd rather spend on Castellanos/Ozuna and Wheeler.

TONS of good depth guys to fill out bench/bullpen in 21 though which will be helpful, but they should do the big deals a year early and get spare parts in 20-21 offseason. Build culture.

If we take Rendon and Cole off the table, I'm really into the idea of Castellanos/Ozuna and Wheeler (4+ WAR two years in a row). That would be huge, and opens up OF/SP trades as they'll have so many of each.

[fish16]

Mattingly extension. Fuck

[fauowls44]

The Mattingly extension is certainly a surprise. Hopefully they give him some MLB talent to work with next year.

[geemoney]

Surprising for sure. I thought maybe, MAYBE he’d have a chance for an extension if the Marlins played well and won down the stretch here but they really haven’t.

[dim]

I mean I never thought Mattingly was a good manager but the team needs some stability. Even if he's meh he's a guy who has the respect of his locker room and it doesn't hurt to establish some structure in all facets of the team.

[tjfla]

The Mattingly extension is certainly a surprise. Hopefully they give him some MLB talent to work with next year.

EVERYONE is surprised by this-even Mattingly!

Be interesting to see what happens with guys like Hillman/Keith Johnson and Eric Duncan as those were said to be 3 guys they liked alot. Mattingly will be on a short leash and could see any of those 3 getting the job if still in system and team hasnt improved much

[Nick]

I'm at the point where I don't really care who the manager is. I really don't think it matters all that much.

[fauowls44]

I'm at the point where I don't really care who the manager is. I really don't think it matters all that much.

Yup...I feel pretty much the same. I don't think Mattingly is a great manager, but he's not the worst either. He seems like a nice guy and the players seem to like him, so good for him. I guess for a team that has never had any stability, this is a good move for the sake of continuity. I'm more interested in what happens with Hill and the front office.

[Lee Stone]

Not knowing the inside of the clubhouse, I measure a manager's performance by what I see on the field. Is the team proficient in teachable areas such as bunting, hit and run, stealing bases ( and runs), and taking bases on balls? With the answer being no to all of those, I assign Mattingly and the rest of the coaching staff a failing grade. I would look to the minor leagues for management/coaching positions for the major league level.

[rmc523]

ya he's done here. I'd be shocked if he wasnt flipped for another similar prospect who needs a change of scenery. You can debate whether he just always was a AAAA player or if they handled him horrendously since we got him, or both, but its just not gonna work here. Move on, see if Sierra can ever be something next year and then if not, just move on. Dont continue to try to make a sunk cost work when it clearly will not work. He's just one of those players who has all the physical tools but just isnt gonna put it together. It happens, but dont let a mistake continue to linger for the sake of trying to make it work.

MLBTR had this note on Nick Williams:

Outfielder Nick Williams’ time with the Phillies seems likely to end when the Phillies’ season concludes, Matt Breen of the Philadelphia Inquirer writes. It’s clear Williams, once a touted prospect, has fallen out of favor with the organization. Even though the Phillies have been facing multiple injuries in their outfield, Williams still hasn’t been able to crack their lineup, as his most recent at-bat came Sept. 2. While Williams did thrive at the Triple-A level this year, he has stumbled to a dreadful.157/.204/.255 line in 108 major league plate appearances in 2019. Williams will still have a minor league option remaining after this season, but it wouldn’t be a surprise to see the Phillies remove him from their 40-man roster then. It would be an unceremonious ending to a once-promising Philly tenure for Williams, who joined the club in 2015 as part of the package it received from Texas for Cole Hamels.

I wonder if there could be a change of scenery kind of swap there?




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This Mattingly extension surprised me, though I understand the continuity thing, which is something we've been lacking over years. I was totally expecting them to let him go and bring someone else in.

I'm especially surprised it's a 2 year extension with an option. I'd have expected a one year with an option, as they could then bring in "their" guy when they expect to make the push into contention.

[emkayseven]

Not knowing the inside of the clubhouse, I measure a manager's performance by what I see on the field. Is the team proficient in teachable areas such as bunting, hit and run, stealing bases ( and runs), and taking bases on balls? With the answer being no to all of those, I assign Mattingly and the rest of the coaching staff a failing grade. I would look to the minor leagues for management/coaching positions for the major league level.

I'm with Lee here 10000%

I'm glad to have continuity and not be a laughing stock, I'm happy he seems to command respect, but while managers have very little impact on the game, he sucks at the places they do have impact -- lineup, bullpen management, fundamentals.

Not a fan of the extension.