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Originally posted by lou
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im aware what the league average is. I'm also aware of our attendance and general market constraints and am realistic about how much this ownership group actually intends to spend. It's why ive said multiple times my outlook on paying didi that much is completely different if we are a bigger market team. My issue isnt so much with a team paying didi that much, it's with us being the team paying didi that much. -
Luis Castillo just pitched a 1,2,3 inning in the ASG. We traded him away twice, right?Comment
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yup. If any of you have the athletic there was a great article about the reds process of making that straily trade.Originally posted by Namaste View Post
But you can't blame the marlins, when you get the chance to get a fringe #5 starter like Colin Rea, Andrew Cashner, or Dan straily on a team with no shot of contending, you gotta pull the trigger.
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Speaking of Castillo. Not a bad comp, although i take anything frisaro says and immediately change my opinion to the opposite of whatever he said.Joe Frisaro
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Former #Marlins prospect Luis Castillo (Reds) gets the 4th inning for NL. Current MIA prospect Edward Cabrera of @JaxShrimp insiders tell me, is more advanced than when Castillo was at same minor league level.Comment
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Traded 2 times by us and Jeff offered him to EVERY ML team for controllable SP. This is what happens when u have YES men instead of guys who have own opinionOriginally posted by Namaste View PostComment
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At least there was reasonable hope the Latos/Straily/Cosart/Cashner trades could have worked and made a modicum of sense positionally. Paddack is the real killer to me for an ancient RP rental.Originally posted by tjfla View Post
Well, Yelich is the real killer but ignoring that and focusing on prospect trades, Paddack is light years the worst Jeff trade in my books. But it is what it is.
I'm sure Mariners (Pablo, Neidert), Cardinals (Sandy, Gallen), and Yankees (Smith, Cooper) fans aren't too pleased at the moment so it works both ways.Comment
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Here are two ponderances. Who becomes the more successful starting pitcher, Gallen or Alcantara? Cabrera or Sanchez? Looking at current performance numbers/tendencies, my votes go to Gallen and Cabrera.Comment
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current performance numbers/tendencies arent always indicative of future success and you've been told that hundreds of times. how many of the guys you are high on due to current numbers have to flop before you realize your way of evaluating minor league talent is flawed?Originally posted by Lee Stone View PostComment
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I do think the gap between Cabrera and Sixto is less than most scouts think. I'm really high on Cabrera. If I were to do a prospect ranking (if Alcantara were still a prospect) I'd have Alcantara and Gallen about even. Slight edge to Alcantara because of more room for growth.Comment
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agreed on this. I went from thinking Cabrera is a Jose Urena clone coming into the year to thinking he might be closer to an alcantara level guy but with less walks. Id rank them as sixto clearly being the top guy there, but you could give me any order for the last 3 and you could make a reasonable argument for it. Between those 4 and then rogers and garrett our future rotation and bullpen is going to be lights outOriginally posted by ¿NICK? View PostComment
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I would go Sandy and Sixto, but I can't necessarily disagree with any ordering of the top 8 longterm SP candidates they have as it's going to be a crapshoot of who can consistently get MLB hitters outOriginally posted by Lee Stone View Post
I'd do this as a tier'd SP hierarchy.
1/2 - Sixto
2/3 - Pablo, Caleb
3 - Alcantara, E. Cabrera
3/4 - B. Garret, Gallen, Rogers
4/5 - Urena, Neidert
5 - Richards, E. Hernandez, Yamamoto
5/AAAA - Dugger, Poteet, Beggs
N/A, but hopeful cracks list with strong second half performance - Guzman, Holloway, Vallimont, W. Stewart, Soriano, Mejia, Fitterer
If they all do what they should, Summer 2021 is probably:
Sixto, Pablo, Caleb, Sandy/Cabrera/Gallen, and Garret/Rogers. Basically, get the two lefties in the rotation.
RHP bullpen - Guzman, Anderson, E. Hernandez, and the other two of Sandy/Cabrera/Gallen (Richards will be a super 2, he will be gone)
LHP bullpen - Garrett/Rogers (very likely Rogers), Garcia, and a TBD 3rd lefty they probably don't have unless Quijada lands (i.e., trade Urena, Rojas, N. Walker, etc. for lefty relievers)
Caleb, Elisier, and Garcia will be in arbitration and probably make $6 million combined.
The other 10 SP there are club controlled and going to be $6.5 million combined.
2021 $12.5 million pitching staff, with the AAA/AA staffs having Yamamoto, Neidert, Holloway (they all have option years), Poteet, Dugger, and whatever you get out of Vallimont, W. Stewart, Soriano, Mejia.
Really awesome depth chart.
Get some bats.Comment
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Anybody ever seen a scouting report on Humberto Mejia? His numbers are excellent this year. I think him and Vallimont could be quick risers up our prospect charts if their numbers are any indication.Originally posted by lou View PostComment
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I think we're gonna have 5+ guys on the top 100 list if there are going to be any midseason lists coming out. Not sure when the cut off for being a prospect is, but presuming all of these guys are still eligible, you can make a legitimate argument for all of Sixto, Garrett, Cabrera, Rogers, Gallen, Diaz, Monte, and potentially even Devers although he is significantly less likely because although he was impressive it was only a month and a half and he's been injured since. but a legit chance for 5 different SP's to be in the top 100, and that's on top of a rotation that is already top 5-10 in the bigs in ERA. They have done such a good job rebuilding the rotaation. Werent some of you giving me shit in the offseason for saying we have a SP surplus?
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Vallimont is the guy to me to look out for out of the guys who started below Jupiter this year. 6'5, lots of swing and miss stuff, and not walking many. Could be a fast mover. Are there any scouting reports on his actual stuff?Originally posted by ¿NICK? View Post
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I dont think you have Garrett or Rogers high enough. They are being underrated to me out of the guys currently in the system. Garrett when he was drafted was said to have a #2 type ceiling and his performance has done nothing to make me shy away from that potential. Rogers I would put as a #3 type guy with the potential to be #2, although im more hesitant with him for the moment until i see him in AA because he was giving up a ton of hits at the beginning of the year so id like to see how his stuff translates as he faces more experienced hitters.Originally posted by lou View Post
All i know is we're going to have a pretty lights out rotation AND bullpen as soon as middle of next year. A bullpen including Richards, Guzman, Holloway, Elieser, and maybe Alcantara if we decide we have 5 better rotation pieces long term is going to be pretty nasty on top of whatever guys are considered the rotation pieces long term. Not just nasty stuff but also with histories as SP's in order to be able to go multiple innings. I just look at the transformation wade davis made and i see a lot of similarly situated guys for us. guys who probably could be decent back end rotation guys but who can be lights out out of a bullpen for an inning or 2 at a time.Last edited by fish16; 07-10-2019, 01:48 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by fish16 View PostA blurb from Fish Stripes after he was drafted in 2018.During his three seasons in the PSAC, he began incorporating that changeup and saw his fastball velocity spike. He now tops out around 97 mph, but regularly sits in the 92-96 range, according to MLB.com prospect expert Jonathan Mayo. The curveball looks like a legitimate out pitch. This spring, the Mercyhurst ace put up a 2.58 earned run average and program-record 147 strikeouts over 80 1⁄3 innings.
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https://www.fishstripes.com/2018/6/1...psac-interviewComment
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That's very encouraging. It's always hard to get a read on how good some of these guys actually are in the minor leagues without knowing what their actual stuff is like. IF he's sitting 95 as a starter that would indicate to me that he could even be a starter long term if necessary but if not, he has the pure stuff to be super effective out of the bullpen.Originally posted by ¿NICK? View PostComment
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This is an old blurb from FanGraphs from before 2017 on Mejia. (Before Mejia's Injury that caused him to miss all of 2017, which I still don't know what it was)
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Looks like Mejia was in most of our Top 20 prospect lists before 2017 and his injury. Been missing from those lists since then.
John Sickels:
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I'd be very interested to hear what Mejia's fastball has been sitting at this year.Comment
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