July 2019 Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

Marlins offense represents the perfect shit storm: League-least power, little speed, and absolute refusal to accept walks due to swinging at everything. I'd be looking at plate discipline and on base percentage for every prospective addition. Two complete tiers of starting pitching right now, with upcoming Cabera, Rogers, Garrett, Sanchez, Vallimont and Mejia possibly even the better group ... making Smith and Alcantara the most logical trade bait in a deal involving someone like Tucker. Personally, I'd be looking at guys like Diamondbacks Jazz Chisholm (slow start) as ARizona needs SP.

[lou]

Uh? You can't just tell him "hey we'll give you this if you opt out". I'm sure that would be some sort of rules violation.

Here's Andrus' contract situation:
2020 - $15.25M
2021 - $14.25M
2022 - $14.25M
Total - $47.75M (guaranteed)
2023 - $15 (vesting option)
Total - $58.75 (including vesting option)

So he's going to turn down a guaranteed $47.75M for the next 3 years, potentially $58.75M over 4, so that he can sign with us for maybe $30-40M over 2 years? Ok....

He hasn't quite seemed to grasp yet, besides being told exactly what you typed above a half dozen times, that Andrus isn't going to opt out of that money to sign a cheaper deal with the Marlins. Maybe if we keep saying it he will get it this time.

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the reasons arent baseless. Its that he isnt a star even in that ballpark and lineup and youre trying to pay him like he is even though his numbers will assuredly go down as he ages and leaves a great ballpark and lineup for a terrible ballpark and lineup. Elvis Andrus if he opts out for 2 years and whatever amount of money it will take to make it worth it to opt out is a much better option than paying a non star who has put up an .800 OPS once in his career star money for 4 years.

Andrus would be the perfect fit in this ballpark as our leadoff man. Didi would lose a significant amount of his power and doesnt have speed to impact the game in other ways like Andrus does. Neither of them are stars. Gimme andrus for 2 years and then go after Lindor when he comes up. You dont pay guys long term big money who arent stars. Simple as that.

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and one of them likely wouldnt result in a loss of draft picks. Andrus on pace to hit .300, 15 hr's, 35 2b's, ops around .800, and steal 35 bases at an 80% clip. He's a more impactful hitter in the context of our lineup and home ballpark. Id pay him 15-20 million (whatever it would take to make it worth it for him to opt out) for 2 years before even looking at didi for 4 years at big money that comes with the added bonus of losing close to a first round pick for a non star player.

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Didi's OBP in yankee stadium and a lineup surrounded by stars each of the last 5 years- .318, .304, .318, .335, and .298 this year. Can't wait to see how that fits in this ballpark when he's not protected by judge, stanton, sanchez, etc. Should really transition well to being the star of the team in a huge ballpark and not getting pitches to hit as frequently.

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Similar batters through age 28 for Didi according to baseball reference. Desmond, JJ Hardy, Brandon Phillips, Stephen Drew, Orlando Cabrera, Jeff Blauser, Juan Uribe, Khalil Greene, Aaron Hill, and, wait for it, neil walker. Can't wait to pay that star money long term on a small market team. Should go swimmingly.

Andrus similar batters through age 29- Alan Trammell, Dick Bartell, Fregosi, Garry Templeton, Rollins, Frankie Croseti, Furcal, something named granny hamner, renteria, and jose reyes.

For a guy who hammers Lee Stone about WAR, you sure are cherry picking some offensive stats and not realizing Didi has ENORMOUS defensive value. Also, please note Didi has about the same base running production as Andrus so your "speed" comment is moot. Look at Fangraphs for once.

Didi has 3.1, 2.7, 4.0, 4.6 WARs 2015-2018, and obviously off an injury this year so we have in complete date for 2019. He is 30 opening day next year.

Andrus has 1.8, 2.3, 4.1, 1.2, and pacing for around 3.2 WAR 2015-2019. He is 31 opening day next year.

If Andrus opts out and walks from that money on his current deal, Didi and Andrus are both looking at $15-18 million a year for 4 seasons probably. They are going to cost the same.

Didi has a higher floor as a better defensive player, a higher offensive ceiling (neutral park factors 2017-2018 in New York. NEUTRAL HOME AND AWAY) than Andrus, is younger than Andrus so he will likely age better over this kind of deal, and you're willing to pay Andrus the same thing and even up to $20 million dollars which is insane.

When are you going to wake up?

IF, IF IF IF IF, Didi is healthy and looks like his 2015-2018 self, he is a STAR. 33rd most productive position player in baseball. That is a STAR player.

[fish16]

Ive acknowledged he's not likely to opt out multiple times. And i'm aware they are technically not allowed to tell him what they would pay him in order to entice him to opt out. But youre also joking yourself if you think they couldnt find a way to communicate that to him or his agent regardless. Either way, it's not about andrus vs didi. They are both fine players, it's about the most efficient way to spend the limited money we have. Just because we have low payroll obligations in the upcoming year doesnt mean you go and spend it right away based on the limited pool of players who happen to be available in free agency in a particular year.

thats not a star player. as i said yesterday, he isnt a top 10 SS over the course of the deal. Sorry, im not paying 15-20 million a year for a guys age 30-33 seasons for a guy who is only going to be between the 10th-15th best SS in the league on a small market team. Especially given the relative value you can get out of a guy who is cost controlled. Id rather trade for a cost controlled SS, sign a stop gap, or just roll with Rojas for another year and sign an actual star at another position rather than giving didi money over long term. We arent the yankees or dodgers who can afford to pay above average players 15+ million. He simply is not good enough to be a cornerstone for a franchise over the next 4 years as he ages in a terrible hitting ballpark and a lineup that currently sucks. As a final piece in a few years, sure, but this team isnt one piece away and he's just not going to be worth that money in this ballpark and in this lineup. You continue to build from within and save long term money for a legitimate star like Rendon or Lindor in a few years or sign an ace type pitcher like Cole.

You're not paying for the last 4 years, you're paying for the next 4, and he's not going to put up those numbers in this lineup and in this ballpark. It is not the way you get the most value out of 18 million or whatever it will take to pay him over the next 4 years. Let alone giving up a draft pick to do so on a rebuilding team. They have done a great job building from within and developing talent to make this a promising team with sustainable payroll obligations. Continue doing it and build your team through cost controlled young players and legitimate big money star players. Didi isnt that. There is no need to say fuck it and try to fill every current hole long term based on one free agency class.

And no, im not willing to pay andrus the same thing. AAV sure, but there is a huge difference between 2 and 4 years. That's the entire point. You dont give non-stars 4 years when you arent a piece away. And Andrus likely won't opt out, im aware, im arguing that a slightly lesser player for half the contract duration is a better and smarter way to spend money building your team, not necessarily Andrus vs Didi in a vacuum. You dont spend money for the sake of spending money when you know the player isnt worth it. Full stop. Forcing yourself to spend money in one particular year and choose future organizational building blocks from a limited pool in free agency is just a horrible way to build your team in a smart and sustainable manner.

Trade for a cost controlled SS from our SP depth who you can hope to grow and develop and have in their actual prime. Dont sign a guy approaching the end of his prime and hope that his prime doesnt end in the middle of the contract. Youre not paying for what a guy has done, you pay for what a guy is going to do. Gimme a flier on a young talented guy like Jurickson profar who you can acquire off a down year (although his numbers will improve by the end of the year after his abysmal april is less of an impact on his stats) for significantly cheaper and less years than paying in free agency for a guy you hope doesnt decline over the next 4 years. It's just not the most value you can get out of spending that money over that length of time. Free agency for above average but non-star players is the single most inefficient way to spend money in baseball.

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Andrus has 1.8, 2.3, 4.1, 1.2, and pacing for around 3.2 WAR 2015-2019. He is 31 opening day next year.

Andrus is pacing for 4.6 WAR this year according to fangraphs. He's at 2.3 already. and the 1.2 last year was from him playing only half a season because he spent the first half of the year rehabbing from fracturing his elbow after getting hit by a pitch.

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lou, do you think didi will be a top 10 SS over the course of the next 4 years? He's already borderline top 10 as it is and you are getting him the next 4 years as he ages in a terrible hitting ballpark and not surrounded by the best power hitters in baseball in Stanton, Judge, and Sanchez. He will not be more valuable than Baez, Lindor, Story, Bogaerts, Seager, Correa, Dejong, Simmons, Turner, Tatis, Swanson. Then you have similar players like Segura, and that's not taking into consideration any prospects coming up like the best prospect in baseball in Franco and other guys like Bichette, Rodgers, Kieboom, etc. Small market teams should not spend money on a guy like Didi if he is not anything close to a final piece, which he would not be for us.

[lou]

Ive acknowledged he's not likely to opt out multiple times. And i'm aware they are technically not allowed to tell him what they would pay him in order to entice him to opt out. But youre also joking yourself if you think they couldnt find a way to communicate that to him or his agent regardless. Either way, it's not about andrus vs didi. They are both fine players, it's about the most efficient way to spend the limited money we have. Just because we have low payroll obligations in the upcoming year doesnt mean you go and spend it right away based on the limited pool of players who happen to be available in free agency in a particular year.

thats not a star player. as i said yesterday, he isnt a top 10 SS over the course of the deal. Sorry, im not paying 15-20 million a year for a guys age 30-33 seasons for a guy who is only going to be between the 10th-15th best SS in the league on a small market team. Especially given the relative value you can get out of a guy who is cost controlled. Id rather trade for a cost controlled SS, sign a stop gap, or just roll with Rojas for another year and sign an actual star at another position rather than giving didi money over long term. We arent the yankees or dodgers who can afford to pay above average players 15+ million. He simply is not good enough to be a cornerstone for a franchise over the next 4 years as he ages in a terrible hitting ballpark and a lineup that currently sucks. As a final piece in a few years, sure, but this team isnt one piece away and he's just not going to be worth that money in this ballpark and in this lineup. You continue to build from within and save long term money for a legitimate star like Rendon or Lindor in a few years or sign an ace type pitcher like Cole.

You're not paying for the last 4 years, you're paying for the next 4, and he's not going to put up those numbers in this lineup and in this ballpark. It is not the way you get the most value out of 18 million or whatever it will take to pay him over the next 4 years. Let alone giving up a draft pick to do so on a rebuilding team. They have done a great job building from within and developing talent to make this a promising team with sustainable payroll obligations. Continue doing it and build your team through cost controlled young players and legitimate big money star players. Didi isnt that. There is no need to say fuck it and try to fill every current hole long term based on one free agency class.

And no, im not willing to pay andrus the same thing. AAV sure, but there is a huge difference between 2 and 4 years. That's the entire point. You dont give non-stars 4 years when you arent a piece away. And Andrus likely won't opt out, im aware, im arguing that a slightly lesser player for half the contract duration is a better and smarter way to spend money building your team, not necessarily Andrus vs Didi in a vacuum. You dont spend money for the sake of spending money when you know the player isnt worth it. Full stop. Forcing yourself to spend money in one particular year and choose future organizational building blocks from a limited pool in free agency is just a horrible way to build your team in a smart and sustainable manner.

Trade for a cost controlled SS from our SP depth who you can hope to grow and develop and have in their actual prime. Dont sign a guy approaching the end of his prime and hope that his prime doesnt end in the middle of the contract. Youre not paying for what a guy has done, you pay for what a guy is going to do. Gimme a flier on a young talented guy like Jurickson profar who you can acquire off a down year (although his numbers will improve by the end of the year after his abysmal april is less of an impact on his stats) for significantly cheaper and less years than paying in free agency for a guy you hope doesnt decline over the next 4 years. It's just not the most value you can get out of spending that money over that length of time. Free agency for above average but non-star players is the single most inefficient way to spend money in baseball.

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Andrus is pacing for 4.6 WAR this year according to fangraphs. He's at 2.3 already. and the 1.2 last year was from him playing only half a season because he spent the first half of the year rehabbing from fracturing his elbow after getting hit by a pitch.

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lou, do you think didi will be a top 10 SS over the course of the next 4 years? He's already borderline top 10 as it is and you are getting him the next 4 years as he ages in a terrible hitting ballpark and not surrounded by the best power hitters in baseball in Stanton, Judge, and Sanchez. He will not be more valuable than Baez, Lindor, Story, Bogaerts, Seager, Correa, Dejong, Simmons, Turner, Tatis, Swanson. Then you have similar players like Segura, and that's not taking into consideration any prospects coming up like the best prospect in baseball in Franco and other guys like Bichette, Rodgers, Kieboom, etc. Small market teams should not spend money on a guy like Didi if he is not anything close to a final piece, which he would not be for us.

No you haven't

NO COLLUSION

They desperately need a longterm SS, so suggesting a limited pool of players is a false narrative

A 3.5 average WAR player is a star, all-star level player. *Assuming he is healthy

Who cares what overall SS ranking he is, if he is a 3+ WAR player over 4 years at a reasonable price around $17 million a season. Also ignoring Marlins have nothing so he's even more valuable to them

If you can trade a SP for a CC young stud SS, sure! Im not getting into hypotheticals

Who is saying Didi is a cornerstone when he is one piece of a puzzle, where they obviously need 4+ more guys

Superstar Lindor and Rendon players don't grow on trees, not always available, everyone wants them, and you can't just assume you can get them. The Marlins have no track record so they need to build a team to attract them and good players help

Again, assuming we believe Didi is healthy and the production holds. As stated, super high floor with defense

They are going to give up draft picks eventually anyways, so that is irrelevant. They have club controlled talent for years as shown to you

Andrus isn't opting out to take less money and won't be half the amount of Didi's contract if he opts out

Didi is again, a star player at 3.5+ WAR if we believe he is healthy.

Thank you for acknowledging Didi is in his prime

Yes, we all know Didi has a high floor with his defense so IF HE IS HEALTHY, the anticipation is paying for his production

Im not getting into other SS hypotheticals, but sure, Profar is a good flyer

Didi is again, a star at 3.5 WAR. The 33rd best position player over 4 years in his prime is a star player

Andrus projected for .9 WAR second half, so 3.2 WAR anticipation is accurate

Didi is probably a borderline top 10 SS next 4 years, and who cares if he is 8th or 15th if he is a 3+ WAR player. The Marlins need that desperately

No one is saying Didi is a final piece, but a good longterm SS to bridge to Devers/Nunez in 3-4 years is a big big big organizational need. As stated, they have club controlled talent for years as shown to you

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How can you be so unfathomably wrong in nearly every sentence?

[fish16]

No you haven't

NO COLLUSION

They desperately need a longterm SS, so suggesting a limited pool of players is a false narrative

A 3.5 average WAR player is a star, all-star level player. *Assuming he is healthy

Who cares what overall SS ranking he is, if he is a 3+ WAR player over 4 years at a reasonable price around $17 million a season. Also ignoring Marlins have nothing so he's even more valuable to them

If you can trade a SP for a CC young stud SS, sure! Im not getting into hypotheticals

Who is saying Didi is a cornerstone when he is one piece of a puzzle, where they obviously need 4+ more guys

Superstar Lindor and Rendon players don't grow on trees, not always available, everyone wants them, and you can't just assume you can get them. The Marlins have no track record so they need to build a team to attract them and good players help

Again, assuming we believe Didi is healthy and the production holds. As stated, super high floor with defense

They are going to give up draft picks eventually anyways, so that is irrelevant. They have club controlled talent for years as shown to you

Andrus isn't opting out to take less money and won't be half the amount of Didi's contract if he opts out

Didi is again, a star player at 3.5+ WAR if we believe he is healthy.

Thank you for acknowledging Didi is in his prime

Yes, we all know Didi has a high floor with his defense so IF HE IS HEALTHY, the anticipation is paying for his production

Im not getting into other SS hypotheticals, but sure, Profar is a good flyer

Didi is again, a star at 3.5 WAR. The 33rd best position player over 4 years in his prime is a star player

Andrus projected for .9 WAR second half, so 3.2 WAR anticipation is accurate

Didi is probably a borderline top 10 SS next 4 years, and who cares if he is 8th or 15th if he is a 3+ WAR player. The Marlins need that desperately

No one is saying Didi is a final piece, but a good longterm SS to bridge to Devers/Nunez in 3-4 years is a big big big organizational need. As stated, they have club controlled talent for years as shown to you

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How can you be so unfathomably wrong in nearly every sentence?

No collusion my ass. IF you dont think teams talk to agents before free agency you're naive about the agent business.

3.5 WAR isnt a star player to me. Sorry. Brian Anderson had 3.4 WAR last year. He's nothing close to a star. He's the epitome of an above average role player. A star to me is 5+ WAR at least. Some other guys with around 3.5+ WAR last year. LMK if you think they are stars- Travis Shaw, Joey Wendle, Eugenio Suarez, Eduardo Escobar, Mallex smith, Johan Camargo, Kyle Schwarber, Jed Lowrie, Aaron Hicks, Yasmani Grandal. Im not paying 18 million a year for 3.5 WAR as a small market team.

I care if he's 8th best or 15th best. It's an indication that he is not this special player and paying him 18 million a year for a merely above average player on a small market team is not an efficient use of resources.

Ive acknowledged Didi is in his prime. You're the one who doesnt seem to realize you dont buy the last 4 years of production, you buy the next 4. They should treat free agency like the smart NBA teams do, you pay for stars and then try to get huge value out of low cost deals and avoid the middle tier of free agency as it is the single most inefficient use of resources you could possibly use.

I dont really give a shit about projected WAR. I'm sure they didnt project him to have 2.3 WAR in the first half of the year either. He's currently on pace to finish with a 4.6 WAR which would just happen to tie didi's career high in WAR.

[lou]

No collusion my ass. IF you dont think teams talk to agent before free agency you're naive about the agent business.

3.5 WAR isnt a star player to me. Sorry. Brian Anderson had 3.4 WAR last year. He's nothing close to a star. He's the epitome of an above average role player. A star to me is 5+ WAR at least. Some other guys with around 3.5+ WAR last year. LMK if you think they are stars- Travis Shaw, Joey Wendle, Eugenio Suarez, Eduardo Escobar, Mallex smith, Johan Camargo, Kyle Schwarber, Jed Lowrie, Aaron Hicks, Yasmani Grandal. Im not paying 18 million a year for 3.5 WAR as a small market team.

I care if he's 8th best or 15th best. It's an indication that he is not this special player and paying him 18 million a year for a merely above average player on a small market team is not an efficient use of resources.

Ive acknowledged Didi is in his prime. You're the one who doesnt seem to realize you dont buy the last 4 years of production, you buy the next 4. They should treat free agency like the smart NBA teams do, you pay for stars and then try to get huge value out of low cost deals and avoid the middle tier of free agency as it is the single most inefficient use of resources you could possibly use.

I dont really give a shit about projected WAR. I'm sure they didnt project him to have 2.3 WAR in the first half of the year either. He's currently on pace to finish with a 4.6 WAR.

Has Anderson done that 4 years in a row? Have all of those guys done that for 4 years on average? Bueller?

Cool, good to know you think only 5+ WAR players are worthy of deals. Good luck getting those guys, and maybe they shouldn't trade one they had signed for 5 seasons for cheap.

High floor with defense. Keep ignoring that!

And they are getting 20+ guys club controlled for the next 4 years. They ARE going to get huge value on low cost deals.

Wanna bet Andrus under 4.6 WAR end of year? Full offseason board ban

[fish16]

Has Anderson done that 4 years in a row? Have all of those guys done that for 4 years on average? Bueller?

Cool, good to know you think only 5+ WAR players are worthy of deals. Good luck getting those guys, and maybe they shouldn't trade one they had signed for 5 seasons for cheap.

High floor with defense. Keep ignoring that!

And they are getting 20+ guys club controlled for the next 4 years. They ARE going to get huge value on low cost deals.

Wanna bet Andrus under 4.6 WAR end of year? Full offseason board ban

Didi hasnt done that for 4 years in a row either. in fact he didnt do that for 2 out of the last 4 years. his last 4 years are 3.1, 2.7, 4.0, and 4.6.

Not sure who you're arguing about yelich with, at no point did i say they did the right thing trading him when they did. Saying they shouldnt have traded yelich and saying didi isnt worth 18 million over 4 years arent mutually exclusive arguments.

Having 20+ guys under club control doesnt mean you go out and spend money on a guy who isnt worth it and who you know from the second you sign the deal isnt worth it. It means youre doing a great job building a sustainable young team. Again, spending long term money for the sake of spending because you have low payroll obligations is how you inevitably ruin the flexibility you've done a great job trying to get to. I'd rather save the money and spread it around to multiple pieces, wait for an actual star, or even be able to do what the dodgers and braves have done at times in recent years in taking big contracts for players who are actually good that expire soon while also accumulating other assets from teams that are trying to shed money. They took advantage of other teams who foolishly traded for or gave out big contracts like Didi is going to get. In other words, by not spending money now on a guy who isnt worth it you can take expiring contracts in the future that allow you to accumulate even more assets which helps fuel the sustainability of a team in a small market.

[lou]

Didi hasnt done that for 4 years in a row either. in fact he didnt do that for 2 out of the last 4 years. his last 4 years are 3.1, 2.7, 4.0, and 4.6.

Not sure who you're arguing about yelich with, at no point did i say they did the right thing trading him when they did. Saying they shouldnt have traded yelich and saying didi isnt worth 18 million over 4 years arent mutually exclusive arguments.

Having 20+ guys under club control doesnt mean you go out and spend money on a guy who isnt worth it and who you know from the second you sign the deal isnt worth it. It means youre doing a great job building a sustainable young team. Again, spending long term money for the sake of spending because you have low payroll obligations is how you inevitably ruin the flexibility you've done a great job trying to get to. I'd rather save the money and spread it around to multiple pieces, wait for an actual star, or even be able to do what the dodgers and braves have done at times in recent years in taking big contracts for players who are actually good that expire soon while also accumulating other assets from teams that are trying to shed money. They took advantage of other teams who foolishly traded for or gave out big contracts like Didi is going to get. In other words, by not spending money now on a guy who isnt worth it you can take expiring contracts in the future that allow you to accumulate even more assets which helps fuel the sustainability of a team in a small market.

What do you think those 4 season average into - 3.6

#MATH

Look, you irrationally hate Didi. Just stop being militant about it. IF he is healthy, he is worth a big 4 year deal. If it's 5/$125, I mean we all agree no thanks. But that isnt going to happen.

They need a SS. They have nothing. Your narrative of spending to spend is incorrect with a pure need.

They can't wait to spend more offseasons. You think a new ownership group isnt spending for FOUR years after buying the team? That'll help the fans and TV deal!

[emkayseven]

Wanna bet Andrus under 4.6 WAR end of year? Full offseason board ban

Let the record show that Lou does not possess this power

[fish16]

What do you think those 4 season average into - 3.6

#MATH

Look, you irrationally hate Didi. Just stop being militant about it. IF he is healthy, he is worth a big 4 year deal. If it's 5/$125, I mean we all agree no thanks. But that isnt going to happen.

They need a SS. They have nothing. Your narrative of spending to spend is incorrect with a pure need.

They can't wait to spend more offseasons. You think a new ownership group isnt spending for FOUR years after buying the team? That'll help the fans and TV deal!

Has Anderson done that 4 years in a row?

. Your first sentence was this. That's what i was responding to.

I dont really care what the fans think. Terrible teams make decisions based on fan perception. Our fans have shown they dont really give a shit who we spend money on. WE signed Stanton Yelich Dee long term, we were making our way into the wild card chase in late august 2017, and i went to a saturday night home game against the padres where there were 5k people there max. Fans will come back when we win, they wont if we lose. This has been proven time and time again for every franchise in this market. Good teams dont worry about fan perception, they make the smart moves. Im sure rays fans hated their offseason 2 offseasons ago, their front office didnt care and they made the right baseball moves and squeezed the most possible value out of their group of 25 guys given their payroll constraints. That is the exact approach the marlins should take. Squeeze every ounce of value out of every last dollar they spend. That is how small market teams should operate if they hope to be sustainably good.

[Namaste]

I disagree with about 99% of what fish16 says but if there is any chance of signing Lindor in 2021, the Marlins should make that their top priority.

I just honestly have no clue if there is even the slightest chance.

[fish16]

I disagree with about 99% of what fish16 says but if there is any chance of signing Lindor in 2021, the Marlins should make that their top priority.

I just honestly have no clue if there is even the slightest chance.

but in that remaining 1% we are in lock step! Lindor would be the perfect centerpiece to actually go out and spend a fuck ton of money on. Charismatic legit 5 tool superstar. Whether we get him is one thing, but unless they completely rebuild after this year, which is a possibility, it looks like he will at the very least get into free agency as opposed to say, a team acquiring him with 1 year left and extending him. The indians dont have the type of cash to sign him long term and lindor is a legit superstar worth paying 25-30+ million a year for.

[lou]

but in that remaining 1% we are in lock step! Lindor would be the perfect centerpiece to actually go out and spend a fuck ton of money on. Charismatic legit 5 tool superstar. Whether we get him is one thing, but unless they completely rebuild after this year, which is a possibility, it looks like he will at the very least get into free agency as opposed to say, a team acquiring him with 1 year left and extending him. The indians dont have the type of cash to sign him long term and lindor is a legit superstar worth paying 25-30+ million a year for.

Try $30+ over 12 years. Total contract value probably starts with a "4".

In any event, how about a different angle. Ignoring that you are adamantly against paying Didi a reasonable, salary, what if they did this hypothetically. Are you going to cry?

4/$80
2020 - $35 million
21-23 - $15 per

You're sacrificing Adam Conley and bench players in 2020 only

[fish16]

Try $30+ over 12 years. Total contract value probably starts with a "4".

In any event, how about a different angle. Ignoring that you are adamantly against paying Didi a reasonable, salary, what if they did this hypothetically. Are you going to cry?

4/$80
2020 - $35 million
21-23 - $15 per

You're sacrificing Adam Conley and bench players in 2020 only

yup, totally gonna cry. you got me.

Im not against paying didi a reasonable salary. Im against paying him close to 20 million 4 years from now when he's not a star now. I've said multiple times id be fine with either front loading a contract or paying anyone a lot of money over 1-2 years. i dont go over 2 years with huge money, however, for good but not great players.

[lou]

yup, totally gonna cry. you got me.

Im not against paying didi a reasonable salary. Im against paying him close to 20 million 4 years from now when he's not a star now. I've said multiple times id be fine with either front loading a contract or paying anyone a lot of money over 1-2 years. i dont go over 2 years with huge money, however, for good but not great players.

Just to let you know, $17 million a season isn't huge money in baseball anymore.

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League average payroll is $135 million, and here we are pleading them to get to $85 million by signing Didi and someone else