April Game Thread

[fish16]

Of the good players in our last core, Ozuna's the only one who hasn't said anything negative about the organization. I believe he even said he wanted to be a Marlin for life after he left. I'm not sure where he fits with all the outfielders coming up though. Maybe he can learn 1B...I believe he's had arm problems since he left anyway.

I always thought he was a little overrated because in every year but 1 he has had 1 good half and 1 bad half but this is mostly just based on the fact that we have money to spend the next few years, i dont think ozuna will break the bank, and while we have a loaded OF depth chart prospect wise none of them are sure things and a surplus is something you can work out later when VVM comes up, if harrison improves, and when scott eventually is up here. He is the exact type of bat this lineup is missing. Or if he is capable of playing 1b due to the shoulder issues that would be even better because we have literally nothing at the position.

What type of money would you all expect him to get? Cardinals generally arent the type of team to re-sign this type of free agent- the non home grown guy who is good but not a star. Id expect him to get a 3 year deal with a higher AAV or 4 year with less AAV. Id do 3 for 60 maybe frontloaded or 4 for 70.

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fish16 does this thing where if Yelich is on fire and Brinson is playing horrible he contemplates how things would have looked if the new ownership didn’t (checks notes: very foolishly) trade him.

And then when Brinson hits 5 HR’s in 4 days in Spring Training he tells us that in the end, we’ll end up doing really well in the Yelich trade.

The really well in the yelich trade is relatively speaking in the sense that even though we gave up by far the best player in the deal, if you can get 3 long term position player starters under team control for 6 years that's fairly decent value in any trade. It's pretty clear right now the yelich trade was rushed and we would have been better off keeping him, but i still think we end up with 3 position starters for at least a few years and a back end rotation/bullpen guy.

That's not terrible, but if you just look at the deals we made and the timeline of those deals, if we kept yelich and JT for last year and then this year we would have had the pitching necessary based on the first few deals made. As it turns out, a full and complete teardown wasnt necessary because they did a good job getting pitching in other deals.

We wouldnt have Sixto, Yamamoto, and Stewart but theyd still have all of Alcantara, Urena, Smith, Lopez, Richards, Neidert, Gallen, Guzman, Cabrera, etc. Looking back they would have much better off stopping at yelich last year, calming everything down, and evaluating things for a year. I think it is much likelier JT re-signs if he sees the pitching coming into this year AND yelich is still around. One thing is clear though from the fact that they made the Yelich deal- They were not confident that the pitching they got in these deals would become what they have become. Guys like Pablo Lopez, Smith, Urena, Richards, etc. have exceeded their expectations clearly. And it's just so marlins that after years of developing these phenomenal position players and having this great core without any SP that we finally get SP the second we get rid of that core. I think we werent very close with that core, but if we had this rotation on that stanton 59 HR team we're in the playoffs.

[tjfla]

Craziest thing about SP this weekend is if Jeff Loria wasn't the GM we also would have

Desco
Domingo German (instead of Pablo)
Luis Castillo
Trevor Williams
Paddack

as SP guys

[fish16]

Craziest thing about SP this weekend is if Jeff Loria wasn't the GM we also would have

Desco
Domingo German (instead of Pablo)
Luis Castillo
Trevor Williams
Paddack

as SP guys

paddack is just so brutal. Everything about that trade was mind boggling. Thinking Rodney wasnt going to immediately regress was stupid. Just looking at a BA top 10 list and seeing paddack not on there so we deal him was stupid. And thinking that team was a RP away from doing anything was stupid.

[tjfla]

I would wait till atleast 2020 to get crazy about Yelich trade. Could still end up being

ML 2B-Diaz
ML CF-Harrison
ML 4th OF-Brinson
ML SP/RP-Yamamoto

4 ML players for 1

Brinson looks like crap BUT I would be fine with him as our 4th OF till he is a FA. Some power/speed and GREAT defense

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paddack is just so brutal. Everything about that trade was mind boggling. Thinking Rodney wasnt going to immediately regress was stupid. Just looking at a BA top 10 list and seeing paddack not on there so we deal him was stupid. And thinking that team was a RP away from doing anything was stupid.

ALL 5 have 1 thing in common-none of them were "high" ranked prospects. Teams find a guy they like called Jeff and he was like sure I dont see them on the BA list. Was same with Francis Martes

[fish16]

I would wait till atleast 2020 to get crazy about Yelich trade. Could still end up being

ML 2B-Diaz
ML CF-Harrison
ML 4th OF-Brinson
ML SP/RP-Yamamoto

4 ML players for 1

Brinson looks like crap BUT I would be find with him as our 4th OF till he is a FA. Some power/speed and GREAT defense

This. We're gonna lose the trade because Yelich is unbelievable, but its not going to be Cabrera trade level production from the 4 guys. I still like Brinson's future, but his ceiling IMO has changed from thinking he is a star type player to more of a secondary start guy. Like more of an Ozuna than a Yelich. I just dont see him ever improving the K/BB ratio to ever get the OBP up high enough

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ALL 5 have 1 thing in common-none of them were "high" ranked prospects. Teams find a guy they like called Jeff and he was like sure I dont see them on the BA list. Was same with Francis Martes

Ya, I hate to keep going back on it but its crazy how much he sabotaged his own front office guys. It's not like we hadnt developed or traded for quality SP prospects in the system, he was just so impatient and insistent on adding band aids to bad teams.

[tjfla]

Another solid Jeff decision was Blake Treinen

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...reinbl01.shtml

We took him during the 3 year stretch that Jeff either had a rule OR hired a doctor that would fail draft picks physicals. We lost like 5-7 picks because of this

[fish16]

Jesus i didnt realize how well he pitched last year.

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At what point do we just cut bait with Chen. Its a sunk cost. He's awful. He should only be pitching in games where our SP gets lit up. If he pulls a Tazawa and is just a nightmare this year I hope we dont hang on to him just because there is another year on his deal. Just cut the dude and move on at some point.

[Lee Stone]

Did I just read an all-caps description of Brinson's defense as GREAT? Analytics certainly disagree with that assessment, as do stats: league-leading 9 errors in CF in 2018 despite missing a third of the season. He already carded a silly error in game one this year and misjudged two easy outs into hits in games two and three.

[tjfla]

Did I just read an all-caps description of Brinson's defense as GREAT? Analytics certainly disagree with that assessment, as do stats: league-leading 9 errors in CF in 2018 despite missing a third of the season. He already carded a silly error in game one this year and misjudged two easy outs into hits in games two and three.

Well not as GREAT as the statue in RF or Grandpa in LF. What are u mad that there are only 1 or 2 25+yr old guys in A Ball this year?

U are right tho-lets just DFA Brinson next year

[Lee Stone]

You are mistaking me for someone else. I would have sent Brinson packing last year.

[Nick]

I would wait till atleast 2020 to get crazy about Yelich trade. Could still end up being

ML 2B-Diaz
ML CF-Harrison
ML 4th OF-Brinson
ML SP/RP-Yamamoto

4 ML players for 1

Brinson looks like crap BUT I would be fine with him as our 4th OF till he is a FA. Some power/speed and GREAT defense

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ALL 5 have 1 thing in common-none of them were "high" ranked prospects. Teams find a guy they like called Jeff and he was like sure I dont see them on the BA list. Was same with Francis Martes

Harrison's issues are even more severe than Brinson's.

[fish16]

Harrison's issues are even more severe than Brinson's.

While that is true, thats one of his only flaws. I just looked it up and last year in the entire minors he's part of a very small handful of people to put up the SB and HR numbers he did and the other guys in the list are lots of top prospects like Tucker and non prospects way too old for their league. I'm giving harrison this year to show improvement before beginning to count him out. I just hope they let him freaking develop and master a level before moving him to AAA. He had only had 59 games at A+ ball before we moved him to AA to start last year. There is no rush to move him up, just let him prove himself and develop. He's gonna be 23 till August, he's still young and has unreal tools.

As bad as the k's were last year he still managed 19 hr's, 28 sb's, 42 total XBH's, and had just 2 errors last year. If he brings the k rate from horrific to just bad that's a legit player moving forward and provides some power from a hitting prospect that we dont have a lot of.

[rmc523]

I guess Fish16 won't go after you since you didn't use the "bust" word, but carefully danced around it

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But but but Project Wolverine !!!!

I found it hilarious that 1) they thought attendance would rise last year and this year, "because", and 2) that anyone would believe that portion of the proposal.

[Maddawg]

I found it hilarious that 1) they thought attendance would rise last year and this year, "because", and 2) that anyone would believe that portion of the proposal.

attendance would have improved if you'd kept JT & Yelich......not much but it wouldn't have taken the dramatic dip it has. I think they make this team at least 6 to 8 games better. They also have been lousy at the PR which I thought would improve under them. So far they've rolled exactly 2 athletes out for morning drive sports shows that I've heard (I do admit I listen to Joe Rose - former Dolphin TE on WQAM and not 940 WINZ morning drice show - which is the home of the Marlins.

While I don't believe the jump would have too much but it would haveen a start. Also lowering ticket prices & parking, but I do understand some of the concession are finally more resonably priced.

I trylu do believe, if they win, they will come. But it can't be just a one-hit wonder - it needs to be competitive year after year. I do believe in their plan but really feel the actions so far have been tepid at best - I.E you cannot trade Yelich for Brinson & Harrison - that was the one deal they needed to kick ass on and so far it's been a huge fail.

[Erick]

I don’t think Brinson is a “4th OF’er” just yet. They really need to move him up in the order.

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With that said though, it sucks that Yelich isn’t here. That trade is looking like a bad loss.