Season Super Game Thread

[Nick]

Pretty crazy with how bad Brinson's been this year that Sierra could come in and be significantly worse.

[Nick]

Impressive start to Austin Dean's career.

[lou]

Impressive start to Austin Dean's career.

Yea he doesn't look overmatched. Hopefully he, and Ortega, can keep it up and they look like two of the presumably 4 pure outfielders they carry on the roster next year.

Think the real story is Richards though. He's holding up. If he can get a few more groundballs and walk a little less guys, he is going to explode.

[fauowls44]

Yea he doesn't look overmatched. Hopefully he, and Ortega, can keep it up and they look like two of the presumably 4 pure outfielders they carry on the roster next year.

Think the real story is Richards though. He's holding up. If he can get a few more groundballs and walk a little less guys, he is going to explode.

Yeah, Richards has been fun to watch develop this year. Very nice find by the organization.

I keep assuming that Straily will be moved at some point, but a rotation of Urena (if he's not moved...and I would keep him and hope he has a big 1st half before flipping him), Lopez, Richards, and Smith next year with Chen/Alcantra/Neidert/Elieser/Gallen competing for the 5th spot could be solid.

[lou]

Yeah, Richards has been fun to watch develop this year. Very nice find by the organization.

I keep assuming that Straily will be moved at some point, but a rotation of Urena (if he's not moved...and I would keep him and hope he has a big 1st half before flipping him), Lopez, Richards, and Smith next year with Chen/Alcantra/Neidert/Elieser/Gallen competing for the 5th spot could be solid.

Yea, Urena, Straily, Ca. Smith, Pablo, and Richards is "full," and that's kicking Chen to the bullpen (which god-willingly happens). If Alcantara can secure a spot with a good September, I think they can trade/DFA Straily (he's going to make $4 million bucks so he might be a non-tender) and roll with what they got,.

I think right now, best case scenario is:

Urena, Richards, Alcantara, Ca. Smith, Pablo (Chen is your de facto 6th SP or stretch out literally anyone else)
Steckenrider, Wittgren, Guerrero, pick 2 of Brigham/Merandy/Graves/E. Hernandez/T. Kinley/Meyer (with Guzman, Eveld, Gallen, Yamamoto looming)
Chen, Conley, Garcia (with Peters/Quijada on 40 man for lefty replacements)

Trade - Barraclough, Straily

That is a pretty fun staff.

[tjfla]

Ya Lopez looks like a really solid rotation guy for years to come. We have pillaged the mariners system for 2 guys who I always thought were either severely overrated (Dee) or just solid relievers (Phelps). Could legitimately have received 2 long term rotation pieces (Neidert and Lopez) as well as a good MI in Chris Torres plus wildcards in Dugger, Brayan Hernandez, and maybe schiraldi becomes a bullpen piece.

The phelps trade is an example of why they fucked up so badly not trading relievers at the deadline. I hate keeping relievers with value on a team that is bad and plans to be bad for at least another year.

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I know we are getting more into the latin american IFA market, but i wonder if the new ownership/front office has any ties to the asian markets in coming years. I know the yankees are always involved in those guys but I think Denbo specialized in latin american more than asia. Would be nice to see though. Somehow we gotta find an ace if we have a very solid base of mid rotation guys.

Denbo is more in Latin America than Asia and they would prefer Latin guys(Fan Base) but I dont really think they care where the guy is from. Its about talent

The issue we have is most Asia guys like the West Coast or NYC but money talks so never know

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Yea, Urena, Straily, Ca. Smith, Pablo, and Richards is "full," and that's kicking Chen to the bullpen (which god-willingly happens). If Alcantara can secure a spot with a good September, I think they can trade/DFA Straily (he's going to make $4 million bucks so he might be a non-tender) and roll with what they got,.

I think right now, best case scenario is:

Urena, Richards, Alcantara, Ca. Smith, Pablo (Chen is your de facto 6th SP or stretch out literally anyone else)
Steckenrider, Wittgren, Guerrero, pick 2 of Brigham/Merandy/Graves/E. Hernandez/T. Kinley/Meyer (with Guzman, Eveld, Gallen, Yamamoto looming)
Chen, Conley, Garcia (with Peters/Quijada on 40 man for lefty replacements)

Trade - Barraclough, Straily

That is a pretty fun staff.

I would trade Straily in offseason for something. 2019 Rotation locks are Urena/Richards/Lopez/Smith with Chen/Straily as ? and woudn't be surprised if they add another arm in Rule 5 or trade with NYY like LY

Should have alot of SP depth

2019 AAA-Alcantara/Gallen/Neidert/Elieser/Merandy/Beggs
2019 AA-Puckett/Yamamoto/Guzman/Lillie/Dugger/Mills/Poteet
2019 Hi A-Rogers/Cabrera/Roberson/Braley/Holloway/Hock/Castano
2019 Lo A-Garrett/Guerrero/Mejia/Vallimont/Culbertson/Soriano/Howe

Could add to that list with JT,RP,Straily,Castro,DD trades in Winter

[lou]

I would trade Straily in offseason for something. 2019 Rotation locks are Urena/Richards/Lopez/Smith

Should have alot of SP depth

2019 AAA-Alcantara/Gallen/Neidert/Elieser
2019 AA-Puckett/Yamamoto/Guzman/Lillie/Dugger
2019 Hi A-Rogers/Cabrera/Roberson/Braley/Holloway
2019 Lo A-Garrett/Guerrero/Mejia/Vallimont/Culberson

I think it is highly unlikely Alcantara doesn't make the team. It's time to sink or swim.

The rest seems about right. Straily might be good to keep until June/July just to mitigate against a lingering Caleb injury, and someone always gets hurt, etc. It's a tough call. He is very cheap at $3.5-4 million and he was a solid 1.5 WAR pitcher 16/17 to just dump at this stage. But if Alcantara looks good in September and Caleb is on paper healthy for March, I get it. They don't need him with Neidert/Gallen/etc. coming

If they can get rid of Castro and Barraclough next year, this team costs approximately $50+ million. I don't know what they are thinking with payroll next year, but that's a lot of room to work with.

Realmuto, _______
Dietrich
Rojas, Bostick (Diaz coming)
Riddle
Anderson, Prado
Dean
Brinson, Ortega
Cooper

Urena, Richards, Pablo, Ca. Smith, Alcantara
Steckenrider, Wittgren, Guerrero, pick 2 Brigham/Kinley/Merandy whoever
Conley, Chen, Garcia

[tjfla]

I think it is highly unlikely Alcantara doesn't make the team. It's time to sink or swim.

The rest seems about right. Straily might be good to keep until June/July just to mitigate against a lingering Caleb injury, and someone always gets hurt, etc. It's a tough call. He is very cheap at $3.5-4 million and he was a solid 1.5 WAR pitcher 16/17 to just dump at this stage. But if Alcantara looks good in September and Caleb is on paper healthy for March, I get it. They don't need him with Neidert/Gallen/etc. coming

If they can get rid of Castro and Barraclough next year, this team costs approximately $50+ million. I don't know what they are thinking with payroll next year, but that's a lot of room to work with.

Realmuto, _______
Dietrich
Rojas, Bostick (Diaz coming)
Riddle
Anderson, Prado
Dean
Brinson, Ortega
Cooper

Urena, Richards, Pablo, Ca. Smith, Alcantara
Steckenrider, Wittgren, Guerrero, pick 2 Brigham/Kinley/Merandy whoever
Conley, Chen, Garcia

Agree on Sandy but no spot for him in rotation with Chen around. Urena/Richards/Pablo/Smith are locks

They are gonna try to sign JT and would love to get rid of Castro AND/OR Prado. Have heard they would like to sign a vet 1B/OF type for 1 year plus option

Not sure DD/Straily are around next year. Bearclaw probably is but expect 2019 Trade Deadline to be same as this 1 for us. Alot of RP interest and trading cheap vets we signed

Broken Record but remember 2019 means NOTHING. Don't expect them to do anything more than trying to find guys who could be on ML team come 2020

[fauowls44]

I think it is highly unlikely Alcantara doesn't make the team. It's time to sink or swim.

The rest seems about right. Straily might be good to keep until June/July just to mitigate against a lingering Caleb injury, and someone always gets hurt, etc. It's a tough call. He is very cheap at $3.5-4 million and he was a solid 1.5 WAR pitcher 16/17 to just dump at this stage. But if Alcantara looks good in September and Caleb is on paper healthy for March, I get it. They don't need him with Neidert/Gallen/etc. coming

If they can get rid of Castro and Barraclough next year, this team costs approximately $50+ million. I don't know what they are thinking with payroll next year, but that's a lot of room to work with.

Realmuto, _______
Dietrich
Rojas, Bostick (Diaz coming)
Riddle
Anderson, Prado
Dean
Brinson, Ortega
Cooper

Urena, Richards, Pablo, Ca. Smith, Alcantara
Steckenrider, Wittgren, Guerrero, pick 2 Brigham/Kinley/Merandy whoever
Conley, Chen, Garcia

I'm with you that Chen should be in the pen, but it is kind of amazing that they're going to be able to get 20+ starts out of him this year. My hope is that they can maybe flip him to a team with a position player with an equally bad contract and swap problems.

[tjfla]

I'm with you that Chen should be in the pen, but it is kind of amazing that they're going to be able to get 20+ starts out of him this year. My hope is that they can maybe flip him to a team with a position player with an equally bad contract and swap problems.

They would love to do that problem is who is out there? NYY with Ellsbury?

Solves problems-opens up rotation spot for Sandy and gives Miami a vet OF who probably won't play but help younger guys

Something to watch with Chen is don't forget he has a vesting option for 2021

•2021 option vests with
180 IP in 2020, or 360 across 2019-20
Is not on the DL at the end of 2020 and is healthy in 2021

[Nick]

that option seems to make moving him to the bullpen a no-brainer.

Tulowitzki for Chen? Maybe throw in a minor prospect.

[Erick]

Sure, but on the longterm view, how's that David Phelps trade looking for Pablo Lopez right now?

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What moves? Not being a jerk, genuinely curious.

Can’t really get into specifics on a message board, but the IFA market is pretty corrupt.

[lou]

that option seems to make moving him to the bullpen a no-brainer.

Tulowitzki for Chen? Maybe throw in a minor prospect.

Absolutely a no brainer there. He needs to move to the pen ASAP.

Chen still makes $16 more than Tulo with deferred money. Probably a player and eating real cash. Hard to move those guys but like the idea.

[Nick]

Since there is no way a team should let that 2021 option vest, doesn't chen really only make $8 million more over the next 2 years?

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Chen:

2019: $20 mil
2020: $22 mil

Tulo:

2019: $20 mil
2020: $14 mil

[lou]

Since there is no way a team should let that 2021 option vest, doesn't chen really only make $8 million more over the next 2 years?

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Chen:

2019: $20 mil
2020: $22 mil

Tulo:

2019: $20 mil
2020: $14 mil

Deferred payments. Cot's did a good job here: http://legacy.baseballprospectus.com...miami-marlins/

$3M on 11/30/16,
$4.5M on 11/30/17,
$2M on 11/30/18

$6M on 6/30/19, $4M on 11/30/19, ($10)
$9M on 6/30/20, $5M on 11/30/20, ($14)
$15M on 6/30/21, $1M on 11/30/21, ($16)
$15M on 6/30/22 ($15)

Sucks