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Agree with all those assessments except for Dietrich. No chance he's best utilized at any of those positions in the majors. He'd be a solid starting 2nd baseman for a playoff MLB team but given circumstances he can't do that in Miami at the moment. I think he's severely miscast as a 1B, outfielder, or DH.

The Devers assessment also a bit controversial. That said he's 18 years old and nobody knows what the hell they are at that age. No chance an MLB scout to correctly pick it.

I think the Riddle assessment is sadly true but he could eventually grow into a fan favorite for a good team given his hard working style. The fact he's even getting 200+ ABs in a season at the MLB level is an accomplishment in his own right. Dude could've easily been an minor league lifer.

As I've stated before the hitting prospects are the long term concern. I feel good the pitchers prospect situation will work itself out, but there isn't as much depth with hitting prospects as they'd like you to think. The front office thinks down the line they can just buy middle to high tier hitters in free agency (which is fair since they're usually cheaper than pitchers).

Still a lot of glaring holes in the farm. Not even close to as solid as the Cubs/Astros systems were when they started building their dynasty teams. That should be the goal.

[fauowls44]

Agree with all those assessments except for Dietrich. No chance he's best utilized at any of those positions in the majors. He'd be a solid starting 2nd baseman for a playoff MLB team but given circumstances he can't do that in Miami at the moment. I think he's severely miscast as a 1B, outfielder, or DH.

The Devers assessment also a bit controversial. That said he's 18 years old and nobody knows what the hell they are at that age. No chance an MLB scout to correctly pick it.

I think the Riddle assessment is sadly true but he could eventually grow into a fan favorite for a good team given his hard working style. The fact he's even getting 200+ ABs in a season at the MLB level is an accomplishment in his own right. Dude could've easily been an minor league lifer.

As I've stated before the hitting prospects are the long term concern. I feel good the pitchers prospect situation will work itself out, but there isn't as much depth with hitting prospects as they'd like you to think. The front office thinks down the line they can just buy middle to high tier hitters in free agency (which is fair since they're usually cheaper than pitchers).

Still a lot of glaring holes in the farm. Not even close to as solid as the Cubs/Astros systems were when they started building their dynasty teams. That should be the goal.

The Cubs and Astros built their farm system through the draft and international market. They went through multiple down seasons allowing them top 10 draft picks. This rebuild has had exactly 1 draft so far(picking 13th at that). This rebuild isn't even a full season in.

The Cubs rebuild started when they hired Epstein in 2012...they then won 61, 66, and 73 games over the next 3 seasons. The Astros had to lose 100+ games for 3 consecutive years to build their system.

I know everyone wants results now, but it isn't fair to judge where the Marlins currently are to those teams yet. While I agree that where they are should be the goal, you have to give it 2 years and then compare.

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Last night Despaigne was dealt to the Angels for cash, opening up a 40 man spot. Is it to finally call up Dean?

[fauowls44]

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The Marlins will select OF Austin Dean from New Orleans. Dean has a .410 OBP this season AA/AAA 12 HR 68 RBI. This will be his MLB debut. #JuntosMiami

5:45 AM - 15 Aug 2018

Finally. Really confusing why this took so long.

[fish16]

Ya it makes no sense that Dean hasnt been up for a while now. Nice to finally see it. Hope to see him and Brinson get regular AB's the rest of the year.

[Erick]

Double whiff on Rule 5's Hernandez and Graves? Feels that way .... always did.

Jeter’s had mostly whiffs so far.

[tjfla]

Nice to see the FO doing stuff for the future. Got Bostick as a UT option for next year and since they have a younger Despaigne in Elieser they got rid of him

Lets hope Mattingly plays BA at 3B and gives Dean playing time now

[fauowls44]

Nice to see the FO doing stuff for the future. Got Bostick as a UT option for next year and since they have a younger Despaigne in Elieser they got rid of him

Lets hope Mattingly plays BA at 3B and gives Dean playing time now

You'd have to assume that's the plan, right? No reason to call him up if you are just going to play Galloway or Oretga over him. I have to think the plan going forward is Anderson at 3rd (no other good choice with Rojas and Prado out anyway), Dean in LF, Sierra in CF, and Ortega in RF until Brinson returns.

I do like the Bostick move. Hopefully they pick up a few more of those type of guys over the next few weeks.

[lou]

Agree with all those assessments except for Dietrich. No chance he's best utilized at any of those positions in the majors. He'd be a solid starting 2nd baseman for a playoff MLB team but given circumstances he can't do that in Miami at the moment. I think he's severely miscast as a 1B, outfielder, or DH.

The Devers assessment also a bit controversial. That said he's 18 years old and nobody knows what the hell they are at that age. No chance an MLB scout to correctly pick it.

I think the Riddle assessment is sadly true but he could eventually grow into a fan favorite for a good team given his hard working style. The fact he's even getting 200+ ABs in a season at the MLB level is an accomplishment in his own right. Dude could've easily been an minor league lifer.

As I've stated before the hitting prospects are the long term concern. I feel good the pitchers prospect situation will work itself out, but there isn't as much depth with hitting prospects as they'd like you to think. The front office thinks down the line they can just buy middle to high tier hitters in free agency (which is fair since they're usually cheaper than pitchers).

Still a lot of glaring holes in the farm. Not even close to as solid as the Cubs/Astros systems were when they started building their dynasty teams. That should be the goal.

I think they are in OK shape with the hitters - assuming Realmuto stays of course. Realmuto, Anderson, Diaz, and Brinson should all be long term starters (even if the later 3 are more in the 2+ WAR range versus truly above average players), and I suspect they will be able to fill out some of their bench with pick your favorites of Riddle, Cooper, Dean, Sierra, Miller, Bostick, let's throw Schales in there with his BB rate in AA this year and he does have a 4th rd. pedigree so some optimism there, etc. (Personally, I think Riddle can stick as a backup infielder and one of the secondary OF will work out in a backup capacity.) This is pretty "OK" to me. That's half your position players. It turns into "pretty good" if they get 2+ breakouts, i.e. someone becomes a consistent 3+ WAR guy to join Realmuto as a real foundational piece, Dean/Cooper/Sierra/whoever unexpectedly become a 2+ WAR starter, Monte strikes out less than 28% of the time and looks like he might hit his projections, etc.

The 2018 draft looks great also, small sample size of course. Maybe those guys, Devers, and others at the lower level work out faster than expected. Pompey is already destroying baseballs in Jupiter (again sample size) which makes no sense on a player progression timeline.

This needs A LOT of work, and presumably 2-3 free agents, one being a "major" one, but plenty of time to get to 2020/2021 and there is plenty of money if they indeed are going to run a $100 million payroll in 2-3 years.

I just think it's unfair to say they aren't close to what the Cubs/Astros did. They've only had 1 draft cycle, and we don't need to discuss the trades of the big-4, but that's still a wait and see what happens before we can really divebomb them for trading Yelich for nothing, etc. Hopefully when Castro, Dietrich, Barraclough, Straily, etc. are traded away they can add some hitters to this so they can catch up to the pitching (which is across the board, better then expected with Richards, Pablo, Conley, Ca. Smith, Neidert, Yamamoto, etc. all looking real good).

Also, if we're being fair, I think the As are a better model for the Marlins. I'm ignoring money also, I'm talking about what's on the field. The A's are 1 star (Chapman), 7-8 pretty solid 2-3 WAR guys, and an awesome bullpen. I think the Marlins should aim for that with Realmuto being the star, and then look to plop 2 major free agents on top of that when the secondary cast develops. I also think this is something they could be really good at doing considering the Yankees bullpen. If a situation develops where they draft Correa, Bryant, Bregman, or Rizzo, even better. With the way things are going, they should get the 3rd-4th pick in this years draft so that's going to be a big name.

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You'd have to assume that's the plan, right? No reason to call him up if you are just going to play Galloway or Oretga over him. I have to think the plan going forward is Anderson at 3rd (no other good choice with Rojas and Prado out anyway), Dean in LF, Sierra in CF, and Ortega in RF until Brinson returns.

I do like the Bostick move. Hopefully they pick up a few more of those type of guys over the next few weeks.

Totally agree. It's time to move BA to 3rd base until someone internally beats him out.

I sincerely hope Dean is starting in LF the ROS unless he looks truly terrible. They need to give him, Brinson, Cooper, Riddle, Bostick, and Ortega as many PA as possible to see what they can get from them next year. Hell, they need to see if they even want to protect Bostick and Ortega on the 40 man.

Sierra can go back to the minors for a season at this point.

[tjfla]

I think they are in OK shape with the hitters - assuming Realmuto stays of course. Realmuto, Anderson, Diaz, and Brinson should all be long term starters (even if the later 3 are more in the 2+ WAR range versus truly above average players), and I suspect they will be able to fill out some of their bench with pick your favorites of Riddle, Cooper, Dean, Sierra, Miller, Bostick, let's throw Schales in there with his BB rate in AA this year and he does have a 4th rd. pedigree so some optimism there, etc. (Personally, I think Riddle can stick as a backup infielder and one of the secondary OF will work out in a backup capacity.) This is pretty "OK" to me. That's half your position players. It turns into "pretty good" if they get 2+ breakouts, i.e. someone becomes a consistent 3+ WAR guy to join Realmuto as a real foundational piece, Dean/Cooper/Sierra/whoever unexpectedly become a 2+ WAR starter, Monte strikes out less than 28% of the time and looks like he might hit his projections, etc.

The 2018 draft looks great also, small sample size of course. Maybe those guys, Devers, and others at the lower level work out faster than expected. Pompey is already destroying baseballs in Jupiter (again sample size) which makes no sense on a player progression timeline.

This needs A LOT of work, and presumably 2-3 free agents, one being a "major" one, but plenty of time to get to 2020/2021 and there is plenty of money if they indeed are going to run a $100 million payroll in 2-3 years.

I just think it's unfair to say they aren't close to what the Cubs/Astros did. They've only had 1 draft cycle, and we don't need to discuss the trades of the big-4, but that's still a wait and see what happens before we can really divebomb them for trading Yelich for nothing, etc. Hopefully when Castro, Dietrich, Barraclough, Straily, etc. are traded away they can add some hitters to this so they can catch up to the pitching (which is across the board, better then expected with Richards, Pablo, Conley, Ca. Smith, Neidert, Yamamoto, etc. all looking real good).

Also, if we're being fair, I think the As are a better model for the Marlins. I'm ignoring money also, I'm talking about what's on the field. The A's are 1 star (Chapman), 7-8 pretty solid 2-3 WAR guys, and an awesome bullpen. I think the Marlins should aim for that with Realmuto being the star, and then look to plop 2 major free agents on top of that when the secondary cast develops. I also think this is something they could be really good at doing considering the Yankees bullpen. If a situation develops where they draft Correa, Bryant, Bregman, or Rizzo, even better. With the way things are going, they should get the 3rd-4th pick in this years draft so that's going to be a big name.

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Totally agree. It's time to move BA to 3rd base until someone internally beats him out.

I sincerely hope Dean is starting in LF the ROS unless he looks truly terrible. They need to give him, Brinson, Cooper, Riddle, Bostick, and Ortega as many PA as possible to see what they can get from them next year. Hell, they need to see if they even want to protect Bostick and Ortega on the 40 man.

Sierra can go back to the minors for a season at this point.

Yep it Schales,Dunand,Nelson look like players u move BA to 1B but if not he stays at 3B

4th or 5th Pick in the draft will get u either a College C(Langliers/Rutschman) or College SS(Logan Davidson) if u want a fast mover OR HS Bats in Bobby Witt Jr,Abrams or Hinds if u want talent. 1 thing is for sure-they have to got BAT unless some arm gives them a great deal. Dont forget we will have 3 of the Top 45 picks so could add talent IF they do a early deal to save some cash

What is going to be key is in 2020/21 is the FA signings. They want a payroll around 100 million and will only have like 45/50 million.

[lou]

Yep it Schales,Dunand,Nelson look like players u move BA to 1B but if not he stays at 3B

4th or 5th Pick in the draft will get u either a College C(Langliers/Rutschman) or College SS(Logan Davidson) if u want a fast mover OR HS Bats in Bobby Witt Jr,Abrams or Hinds if u want talent. 1 thing is for sure-they have to got BAT unless some arm gives them a great deal. Dont forget we will have 3 of the Top 45 picks so could add talent IF they do a early deal to save some cash

What is going to be key is in 2020/21 is the FA signings. They want a payroll around 100 million and will only have like 45/50 million.

They can easily get to a $45 million payroll in 2020 if they shed all the arbitration eligible guys (Ignoring a $1 million buyout to Castro as he'll be traded by then.
Ignoring Straily (Arb 3), Dietrich (Arb 4), Rojas (Arb 3), Barraclough (Arb 2), Urena (Arb2), Wittgren (Arb2), Conley (Arb 2), Garcia (Arb1))

Chen - $17 (deferred payment)
Realmuto - At least $13 million even if arbitration
Anderson, Brinson, Diaz, Monte, pick 3 other club controlled hitters (Riddle, Dean, Cooper, Sierra, Bostick, whoever) = $5 million
Pick 4 SP - Neidert, Guzman, Richards, Ca. Smith, Alcantara, Pablo, Gallen, Yamamoto = $3 million
Club controlled bullpen - Steckenrider, Eveld, Quijada, Lee, Merandy, SP flameouts from above, whoever = $6 million

That's it. That's 18-20 guys easy, ignoring 8+ more players to trade and the 2nd highest IFA money in baseball right now left to move. I would say "$50" is the figure if they want to keep some of the bullpen arms or Urena, which I can see happening in some capacity, as those are 6 solid arms on the chopping block above.

Raises are coming fast from this in arbitration years, but they should be able to spend $50 easily in 2020 and only need 3-4 guys so there should be 2 major free agents in there. Chen coming off the books after 2021 should pay for everyone's arbitrations to mitigate the financials.

They are in good shape, assuming Realmuto stays around and they get 6-8 solid 2+ WAR players from what they currently have (ignoring relievers).

[Erick]

He is Henderson Alvarez 2.0 to me.

They’re really not that much alike. Fastball wise, Lopez’s doesn’t move as much as Alvarez.

[tjfla]

Doubtful they can do it but they had talks with a few teams about Chen. Not for anything of value but trading Chen's contract(2020) for another bad contract that ends a year earlier(2019)

They are "saving" the IFA cash for Mesa but if they can't get him it will be interesting to see what they do with the 4.5 million. Heard likely spend some of it on Mesa Jr(if not signed),make another run at Gaston or try to get a few Mexican Prospects when they are allowed to sign(Cubs are hoping to spend their cash on them too)

One thing to watch is if some other Cuban defects or a Asia player wants to come to ML. They could trade the cash to a team for prospects. The cash does not expire till July 1 2019 so

[fish16]

the praise for riddle make zero sense to me. the guy stinks. he cant hit. he never really has been able to hit throughout the minors. He came up last year because we had a ridiculous string of injuries to Hech and Rojas and he had 1 memorable walkoff hr, but aside from that, this idea that he is some sort of piece to be excited about for the future is kind of stupid to me.

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They’re really not that much alike. Fastball wise, Lopez’s doesn’t move as much as Alvarez.

I was referring to style of pitcher, not their arsenal of pitches. Both work quickly, pitch with efficient pitch counts, and might not be super high K guys but don't have low K rates either.

[rmc523]

Despaigne was traded to the Angels for cash by the way.

And Dean was called up.

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Despaigne was traded to the Angels for cash by the way.

And Dean was called up.

Only a matter of time. Now get him at bats.