Season Super Game Thread

[Erick]

So we hit him on purpose because.... he's destroyed us for 3 straight games? Baseball is stupid. I hope they start suspending these SP's who do this whatever their current suspension is times 5 so it is a true 5 game suspension. This shit is so stupid and the "old school" baseball stuff is really hurting the sport. It would be much more popular if they embrace technology and change.

The front office you support to no end is "old school."

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then dock them pay for just 5 games but suspend them for 25

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side note, Elieser hernandez has been pretty damn good all things considered this year. His numbers are also inflated because he gave up like 10 runs in 1 appearance

Not really

[lou]

then dock them pay for just 5 games but suspend them for 25

So then a team is paying someone to do nothing? It would be a larger fine and less games if you want to think about this hypothetically. Just saying.

[fauowls44]

The front office you support to no end is "old school."

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Not really

Hernandez has been good in August. He gets inconsistent work, but when he's been thrown in there lately, he's done a good job.

[rmc523]

The problem I have with incidents like this is that only when it happens to a star (or rising star) does MLB suddenly become concerned and decide to do something/make changes. If it happens to a no-name player, they could care less. It’d be the normal punishment, it’s mentioned in a “it happened” manner and nothing else, move on. It happens to a star/rising star, OMG we need to rewrite the rule books! Institute extreme punishments, etc.

The catcher lane rule came from when the Marlins’ Scott Cousins ran into Buster Posey early in his career and he got hurt. A few weeks earlier, a no-name Marlins catcher (I don’t even remember his name) had the same exact thing happen to him and was out for the year and nobody batted an eye, but suddenly because it’s Buster, we need to literally write a new rule.

I didn’t see the play, so I can’t necessarily comment on the specific issue, but if they want to make changes to punishments, fine, but institute the same level of concern to ALL players, don’t do it just because a star gets hurt/has something happen to them, and THEN be up in arms that something needs to be done.

[fish16]

The front office you support to no end is "old school."

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Not really

No they arent old school. they brought over greenlee and are trying to increase the analytics department of the front office from the nonexistence that it was with Loria.

And yes, he has as a rule 5 pick who they are just trying to keep on the roster for the year so they dont lose him and hasnt been above A ball. If you take out the one outing of 2.1 IP and 10 ER that blew up his stats, he's pitched 54.1 IP with just 22 ER, good enough for a 3.64 ERA.

[lou]

No they arent old school. they brought over greenlee and are trying to increase the analytics department of the front office from the nonexistence that it was with Loria.

And yes, he has as a rule 5 pick who they are just trying to keep on the roster for the year so they dont lose him and hasnt been above A ball. If you take out the one outing of 2.1 IP and 10 ER that blew up his stats, he's pitched 54.1 IP with just 22 ER, good enough for a 3.64 ERA.

Cherry picking is tough, but he clearly has a pretty good arm and is a great Rule V find (the bar is low). They don't all have to be Uggla.

He's great to put in AA/AAA next year and see if he develops further after taking his lumps at the MLB level this year. Not much more to say then that. A good relatively free acquisition.

They seem to be good at the little stuff (Ca. Smith, Richards, Pablo, Hernandez) and not so great at the big stuff (Brinson, Monte, Sierra, Alcantara). Hopefully it's just a down year for those guys.

[fish16]

Batters should start charging the mound and swinging the bat at pitchers after being thrown at. Harper started a little of it throwing his helmet at I think Strickland last year.
Would probably end this situation pretty quickly. The throwing of baseballs at 99 MPH at guys for doing well or celebrating getting hits is the dumbest thing in sports by far.

[tjfla]

By way another former Marlins SP prospect got TJ

Francis Martes is out for 2019

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Cherry picking is tough, but he clearly has a pretty good arm and is a great Rule V find (the bar is low). They don't all have to be Uggla.

He's great to put in AA/AAA next year and see if he develops further after taking his lumps at the MLB level this year. Not much more to say then that. A good relatively free acquisition.

They seem to be good at the little stuff (Ca. Smith, Richards, Pablo, Hernandez) and not so great at the big stuff (Brinson, Monte, Sierra, Alcantara). Hopefully it's just a down year for those guys.

That seems to be the idea for him. He replaces Despaigne in AAA as SP depth

Actually he has been a solid Rule 5 pickup. Wouldn't be surprised to see us go after 1 or 2 Rule 5 guys next year again or make a trade with NYY for Rule 5 guys that can't fit. Arm and probably a 1B bat

Cooper and Caleb Smith were kinda Rule 5 picks because if we didn't trade for them NYY would have lost them in the draft

[fish16]

By way another former Marlins SP prospect got TJ

Francis Martes is out for 2019

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That seems to be the idea for him. He replaces Despaigne in AAA as SP depth

Actually he has been a solid Rule 5 pickup. Wouldn't be surprised to see us go after 1 or 2 Rule 5 guys next year again or make a trade with NYY for Rule 5 guys that can't fit. Arm and probably a 1B bat

Cooper and Caleb Smith were kinda Rule 5 picks because if we didn't trade for them NYY would have lost them in the draft

Dont think the cooper and smith part was accurate. They wouldnt have lost them in the rule 5 draft but they needed room on their 40 man for other guys they didnt want to lose in the rule 5 draft. Smith and Cooper both were already on the 40 man rosters and had played in the big leagues last year for the yankees. They had a 40 man roster crunch.

[Namaste]

I will say this......not surprisingly.....there is a TON of OUTRAGE about Ureńa beaning Acuńa. It’s not surprising because we now live in an age where a substantial % of the population is OUTRAGED about EVERYTHING.

This is my take of what went down (and I preface this by saying I’m not a Ureńa fan....I don’t believe he belongs in a MLB starting rotation).

-Acuńa has been murdering Marlins pitching

-Acuńa has pimped a few HR trots and then did some more pimping in the dugout

-Ureńa was like “you know what, fuck this motherfucker who just got to the big leagues this year I’m gonna put one right in the middle of his lats to bring his ass back to earth for a minute”

-Ureńa misses his intended spot, Acuńa turns awkwardly (like Stanton did against Fiers) and it’s a big shit sandwich.



If Ureńa throws it where he meant to, the OUTRAGE wouldn’t be so bad. But now Ureńa has to (rightfully) pay the price.



Anyone who thinks Ureńa should get more than 20 days probably spends all their time being OUTRAGED about everything.

[Nick]

I agree, I think what Urena did was shitty and he deserves the standard throwing at a dood punishment. By the reactions to this situation you would think Urena murdered somebody, though.

[fish16]

I will say this......not surprisingly.....there is a TON of OUTRAGE about Ureńa beaning Acuńa. It’s not surprising because we now live in an age where a substantial % of the population is OUTRAGED about EVERYTHING.

This is my take of what went down (and I preface this by saying I’m not a Ureńa fan....I don’t believe he belongs in a MLB starting rotation).

-Acuńa has been murdering Marlins pitching

-Acuńa has pimped a few HR trots and then did some more pimping in the dugout

-Ureńa was like “you know what, fuck this motherfucker who just got to the big leagues this year I’m gonna put one right in the middle of his lats to bring his ass back to earth for a minute”

-Ureńa misses his intended spot, Acuńa turns awkwardly (like Stanton did against Fiers) and it’s a big shit sandwich.



If Ureńa throws it where he meant to, the OUTRAGE wouldn’t be so bad. But now Ureńa has to (rightfully) pay the price.



Anyone who thinks Ureńa should get more than 20 days probably spends all their time being OUTRAGED about everything.

I spend no time being outraged and I think Urena should get more than 20 games simply because suspending a starting pitcher not in multiples of 5 is like not suspending them at all, aside from their pay being docked. But if a guy is willing to sacrifice the small bit of money, the team essentially gets off without any actual impact from suspending a guy like Urena 5 games because he doesnt actually miss any time or turns in the rotation and the team simply pushes them back a day. Relievers are obviously a different story.

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And Acuna being a dominant rookie and pimping a few hr trots doesnt mean you throw a baseball at him 95+ mph. thats the biggest bunch of coward bullshit still alive in baseball. Get him out, dont throw at a guy because he's a fucking star and is better than you. God forbid baseball players show personality and do things to attract younger audiences. Its a fucking game, its not that serious, and if it bothers you that much then play better and you dont have to worry about a guy celebrating doing something good.

[Namaste]

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And Acuna being a dominant rookie and pimping a few hr trots doesnt mean you throw a baseball at him 95+ mph. thats the biggest bunch of coward bullshit still alive in baseball. Get him out, dont throw at a guy because he's a fucking star and is better than you.

I don’t believe anyone here said that what Ureńa did was right and more importantly, I’m pretty sure 20 is a multiple of 5.

[FishTale]

I will say this......not surprisingly.....there is a TON of OUTRAGE about Ureńa beaning Acuńa. It’s not surprising because we now live in an age where a substantial % of the population is OUTRAGED about EVERYTHING.

This is my take of what went down (and I preface this by saying I’m not a Ureńa fan....I don’t believe he belongs in a MLB starting rotation).

-Acuńa has been murdering Marlins pitching

-Acuńa has pimped a few HR trots and then did some more pimping in the dugout

-Ureńa was like “you know what, fuck this motherfucker who just got to the big leagues this year I’m gonna put one right in the middle of his lats to bring his ass back to earth for a minute”

-Ureńa misses his intended spot, Acuńa turns awkwardly (like Stanton did against Fiers) and it’s a big shit sandwich.



If Ureńa throws it where he meant to, the OUTRAGE wouldn’t be so bad. But now Ureńa has to (rightfully) pay the price.



Anyone who thinks Ureńa should get more than 20 days probably spends all their time being OUTRAGED about everything.

Urena has an east-west delivery (front side early & rotational), with a low slot, causing frequent misses to his arm side, often big. In my opinion, he was trying to establish the inner half of the plate (WHICH HE SHOULD HAVE DONE) and it got away from him. I don't know what was in Urena's mind, but folks who are adamant he hit him intentionally are over the line, or don't know baseball/mechanics. If he's guilty of anything, its that he doesn't have good enough fastball command to pitch in, off the plate, to right hand hitters.

[fish16]

I don’t believe anyone here said that what Ureńa did was right and more importantly, I’m pretty sure 20 is a multiple of 5.

That should say more than 5. Im cool with a 15-20 game suspension. I meant to say that it is pointless that these SP's get suspended 5 games as if that is a serious suspension like it would be to a hitter or reliever.