Season Super Game Thread

[fish16]

Maybe they will keep all the relievers and try for the super pen next year. Barraclough, Steckenrider, Guzman, Alcantara, Conley, Rucinski, and Wittgren. Championship next season.

I cannot stand the phrase super pen. I know this is just a joke but it is inexcusable for MLB teams not to realize the relative value and relative difficulty in finding quality relievers. They will regret not trading barraclough tremendously if that is what happens.

[lou]

As others have said, the rumor mill isn’t as active as tj is making it seem.

That is probably fair, but at the same time most, if not all (even Maybin), have been mentioned in press somewhere - https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/miami-marlins

[fish16]

Not dealing Barraclough would be a huge missed opportunity in my mind. Maybe he's blown that opportunity himself with his recent performance, but man about a month ago, I was really liking the chances of us getting impact position prospects for him, which is exactly what this club needs to be doing at this point. Jumping on opportunities to maximize value in trades.

100% agree. Especially given that so many of our SP prospects are mid rotation guys at best and dominant relievers at worst (looking at Alcantara and Guzman especially along with maybe an Edward Cabrera a few years down the line as well as maybe Trevor Richards).

[lou]

or they just have a price they are asking for guys and arent willing to budge from. Im not disagreeing with you though that if we are not too active at the deadline that it will be a major failure. Specifically the relievers (Barraclough and Ziegler especially as I think a reasonable argument can be made for keeping Steck and Conley)

This is the funny thing to me. I don't think anyone is crying they aren't doing anything, but on the one hand everyone wants them to negotiate tough which is what they are seemingly doing with Realmuto, and at least Conley/Steckenrider (the only other report I've seen about their escalated value is them turning down Chavis for them, which is pretty fun), but now there is some frustration they aren't doing anything quick enough. Can't really be both way.s

[fish16]

This is the funny thing to me. I don't think anyone is crying they aren't doing anything, but on the one hand everyone wants them to negotiate tough which is what they are seemingly doing with Realmuto, and at least Conley/Steckenrider (the only other report I've seen about their escalated value is them turning down Chavis for them, which is pretty fun), but now there is some frustration they aren't doing anything quick enough. Can't really be both way.s

completely agree. Its probably the most fair to just wait until the deadline and then evaluate what we did. If we traded guys now for a lesser return people would also complain about selling low or getting a bad return.

Im just very concerned that we left too much until the day of the deadline to the point where we inevitably wont trade a few guys because we waited for the perfect deal. That could be solved however if we combine a few guys in some deals, but again its probably just best to wait until after the deadline to evaluate what we did.

[Lee Stone]

This is the funny thing to me. I don't think anyone is crying they aren't doing anything, but on the one hand everyone wants them to negotiate tough which is what they are seemingly doing with Realmuto, and at least Conley/Steckenrider (the only other report I've seen about their escalated value is them turning down Chavis for them, which is pretty fun), but now there is some frustration they aren't doing anything quick enough. Can't really be both way.s

The Marlins can either work over the roster with some deals or attack next season with the same army ... and nobody wants that. Thus the nervousness. It's hard to be a tough negotiator when so many players are being made available throughout the league.

[lou]

completely agree. Its probably the most fair to just wait until the deadline and then evaluate what we did. If we traded guys now for a lesser return people would also complain about selling low or getting a bad return.

Im just very concerned that we left too much until the day of the deadline to the point where we inevitably wont trade a few guys because we waited for the perfect deal. That could be solved however if we combine a few guys in some deals, but again its probably just best to wait until after the deadline to evaluate what we did.

Yep it's a wait and see for sure. That being said, they have clearly been active - Denbo went to see Robles first hand - so I think they know what they will take and are just waiting to see if they can get that last upgraded guy or two.

[fish16]

The Marlins can either work over the roster with some deals or attack next season with the same army ... and nobody wants that. Thus the nervousness. It's hard to be a tough negotiator when so many players are being made available throughout the league.

I dont think the plan would be to attack next season with most of the same team, I think it would just be punting until the offseason, and particularly for the relievers i think that is a really bad idea.

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Yanks believed to be closing in on an OF and a reliever now

Maybin and Ziegler/Conley? Or i could see them going after Granderson and a reliever from the jays. We'll see.

[lou]

I dont think the plan would be to attack next season with most of the same team, I think it would just be punting until the offseason, and particularly for the relievers i think that is a really bad idea.

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Maybin and Ziegler/Conley? Or i could see them going after Granderson and a reliever from the jays. We'll see.

Only agree with you on Barraclough (and Ziegler) there. They can keep Steckenrider and Conley. They are controlled for 19-22/23 respectively. That is a contending window and they are young.

No need to move them unless it's a great deal.

[fish16]

Only agree with you on Barraclough (and Ziegler) there. They can keep Steckenrider and Conley. They are controlled for 19-22/23 respectively. That is a contending window and they are young.

No need to move them unless it's a great deal.

Thats what ive been saying as well. Im cool with keeping Conley and Steck (moreso steck because I think his value could be really high if you make him a closer until next years deadline). Im 50/50 on conley just because I could see him completely falling apart but also could see him becoming a hand/miller type guy by next trade deadline as well. Steck i wouldnt consider trading almost assuredly and Conley it would have to depend on the offer.

Barraclough and Ziegler however need to be dealt.

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Yankees getting Lance Lynn. Would likely take them out of the picture for Straily if they were even involved at all. I think they end up trading Straily in the winter. doesnt seem to be a great market and he hasnt had a great year.

[Erick]

I’m worried that the front office sees this year’s turnaround as for real, and sees room for improvement just by sticking with the current group. It might not seem like it, but they’re 41-44 in their last 85 games, a not so small sample.

[fish16]

I’m worried that the front office sees this year’s turnaround as for real, and sees room for improvement just by sticking with the current group. It might not seem like it, but they’re 41-44 in their last 85 games, a not so small sample.

With the SP depth that is developing, im cool with keeping JT, but the relievers, especially given our current prospect group, would be absolutely inexcusable to keep (Barraclough especially).

I still think, as i said in the offseason, the goal is to be hovering around .500 next year and then a playoff/wild card contender every year after that.

[Erick]

With the SP depth that is developing, im cool with keeping JT, but the relievers, especially given our current prospect group, would be absolutely inexcusable to keep (Barraclough especially).

I still think, as i said in the offseason, the goal is to be hovering around .500 next year and then a playoff/wild card contender every year after that.

I think we agree on what should be done.

[fish16]

Brian Anderson has been so encouraging this year. Im trying to come up with a player comp but I cant think of one off the top of my head. He is a damn solid starter going forward. The type of hitter every team can use. Probably shouldnt be a #3/4 hitter but as a #5/6 hitter in a lineup he is a really nice piece moving forward.

[lou]

Brian Anderson has been so encouraging this year. Im trying to come up with a player comp but I cant think of one off the top of my head. He is a damn solid starter going forward. The type of hitter every team can use. Probably shouldnt be a #3/4 hitter but as a #5/6 hitter in a lineup he is a really nice piece moving forward.

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