Season Super Game Thread

[fish16]

I think thIS laid out the cards on who was the real culprit in our exchanges....clear to see who is the socially immature one. Thanks Fish16. Suggestion : GROW UP

Because you’re trying to slink away from your absurd prediction that I told you was absurd from the moment you said it?

You love playing the victim don’t you?

[Madman81]

holy shit, who cares?



i didn't even remember that we lost 20-1 this season.

[Namaste]

Also worth noting is that they lost 3 games 20-1, 12-1, and 14-2...that will skew the run differential pretty significantly.

If we’re going to play that game......

Are the Marlins the only team in baseball that has gotten blown out a few times this season?

[Nick]

Fun win.

[fauowls44]

If we’re going to play that game......

Are the Marlins the only team in baseball that has gotten blown out a few times this season?

Of course not, but I'd guess they are the only team to have been outscored 46-4 over 3 games. I'm not saying they don't deserve their run differential, but being outscored by 42 runs over 3 games certainly skews it...that's all I meant.

[fish16]

Brinson has been great in June. Hopefully a sign of his future potential. Also hope we can start moving him up in the lineup soon.

[Nick]

You'd have to think Barraclough will make the All-Star Team at this rate. I don't know how you could ignore those numbers. Coming into this season I did not think there'd be a chance of us getting 2 in the ASG. Of course both he and Realmuto could be traded by then, so we'll see.

[tjfla]

You'd have to think Barraclough will make the All-Star Team at this rate. I don't know how you could ignore those numbers. Coming into this season I did not think there'd be a chance of us getting 2 in the ASG. Of course both he and Realmuto could be traded by then, so we'll see.

They will likely be around when ASG comes but the RP market is going to be very hot. Herrera who is a FA just got a solid package so imagine the offers Bearclaw will get

[lou]

They will likely be around when ASG comes but the RP market is going to be very hot. Herrera who is a FA just got a solid package so imagine the offers Bearclaw will get

Yep. Pretty great they can max him out with what he is doing. I'm sure Colorado would love him if they stick in the race. Realmuto, Bour, Castro, Dietrich, Maybin, Barraclough, and Ziegler should net 1-2 great, 2-3 real good, and 4-6 C+/C guys. That's going to help a ton if they get a big time SP and at least one guy we can point to as the longterm answer at C/1B/SS.

Maybe Straily, Urena, and Rojas if you get a good deal (because of underperformance due to his injury, 3 more years of control and is useful, and they really need someone who can play adequate SS).

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Brinson has been great in June. Hopefully a sign of his future potential. Also hope we can start moving him up in the lineup soon.

Yes. I'd really like to see him and Anderson get batted behind/around Realmuto and Bour. Something like:

Anderson
Realmuto
Brinson
Bour
Dietrich
Castro
Rojas/Warm Body
Anyone/Who Cares

Let them hit in front of the best two hitters on the team and give Brinson the best possible batting lineup protection in front and back.

You're not winning the world series. The only two developments from the position players that matters on the MLB level for the rest of the season are Brinson and Anderson becoming longterm starters. Nothing new here though, but hopefully their patience with Brinson is starting to be rewarded. I remember in 03 Teixeira was pretty terrible until the last week of May his rookie year, then went on an .850+ OPS tear the rest of the year. Hopefully that's happening. I'll take .775+ though with his defense/base running.

[tjfla]

Yep. Pretty great they can max him out with what he is doing. I'm sure Colorado would love him if they stick in the race. Realmuto, Bour, Castro, Dietrich, Maybin, Barraclough, and Ziegler should net 1-2 great, 2-3 real good, and 4-6 C+/C guys. That's going to help a ton if they get a big time SP and at least one guy we can point to as the longterm answer at C/1B/SS.

Maybe Straily, Urena, and Rojas if you get a good deal (because of underperformance due to his injury, 3 more years of control and is useful, and they really need someone who can play adequate SS).

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Yes. I'd really like to see him and Anderson get batted behind/around Realmuto and Bour. Something like:

Anderson
Realmuto
Brinson
Bour
Dietrich
Castro
Rojas/Warm Body
Anyone/Who Cares

Let them hit in front of the best two hitters on the team and give Brinson the best possible batting lineup protection in front and back.

You're not winning the world series. The only two developments from the position players that matters on the MLB level for the rest of the season are Brinson and Anderson becoming longterm starters. Nothing new here though, but hopefully their patience with Brinson is starting to be rewarded. I remember in 03 Teixeira was pretty terrible until the last week of May his rookie year, then went on an .850+ OPS tear the rest of the year. Hopefully that's happening. I'll take .775+ though with his defense/base running.

Colorado might jump on JT OR Bearclaw and I would love them too. They have a great system and guys who could play ML SS(Rodgers/Hampson)

Heard they told SF for Straily they want Jacob Gonzalez(Low A 3B) and another prospect or 2. So mid level prospect and lower 1 or 2 would get him. Urena/JT/Bearclaw they want overpays for and Bour/Rojas they would like to keep unless get something they can't pass on

Guys they wanna deal are DD/Maybin/Ziegler/Straily/Castro/Holaday/JT/Bearclaw/Urena/Bour/Rojas

Ziegler,Maybin,Holaday they are looking for 1 low level prospect
DD,Castro,Straily they see a mid level prospect and maybe low level/project(like they always try to get)
JT/Bearclaw/Urena they want 3 or 4 prospects(ALL are club control and cheap)

FO was happy as hell to see Herrera's price

[Erick]

We are 24-27 since our 5-17 start. I guess that's something not terrible.

[fish16]

Don’t understand, if tjfla is accurate, why the marlins continue to ask for Jacob Gonzalez in deals with the giants. He’s a nothing orospect

[tjfla]

Don’t understand, if tjfla is accurate, why the marlins continue to ask for Jacob Gonzalez in deals with the giants. He’s a nothing orospect

Mid level prospect they like. Its like Alcantara with Stanton/Ozuna talks-any deal they wanted him in it

I know u guys want us asking for only #1/#2 Prospects in every deal but in reality Gonzalez is the type of prospect we could get in return

Teams like players in systems either from draft/IFA or where ever and if that team calls they ask for that guy. Its like the trade from yesterday-KC liked the 17 yr old and tried signing him but he signed with Washington so when they were talking KC kept asking for him even tho he is a nothing prospect OR Denbo signing all these former NYY guys.

[lou]

Mid level prospect they like. Its like Alcantara with Stanton/Ozuna talks-any deal they wanted him in it

I know u guys want us asking for only #1/#2 Prospects in every deal but in reality Gonzalez is the type of prospect we could get in return

Teams like players in systems either from draft/IFA or where ever and if that team calls they ask for that guy. Its like the trade from yesterday-KC liked the 17 yr old and tried signing him but he signed with Washington so when they were talking KC kept asking for him even tho he is a nothing prospect OR Denbo signing all these former NYY guys.

I feel that is an unfair characterization, to an extent. I think the prevailing wisdom would suggest, based on prospect valuation (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valu...0-prospects/):

JT - $90-100 million in surplus value
Barraclough and Urena - $40 million
Straily and Bour - $30 million
Dietrich, Castro, and Rojas - $20-30 million to the eye of the beholder
Ziegler, Maybin, and Holaday - Give us anything and take the contract
Chen and Prado - We'll pay you

That basically breaks down to this (note: Fangraphs only has 19 guys in baseball with a FV60+ value, so finding that for Realmuto is going to be hard as I suspect over half of that list is completely untouchable, as it's Acuna, Vlad, Eloy, etc. - https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-...pect-rankings/. He's definitely worth one of them, but that's a hard sell. Maybe Colorado will move Rodgers in a package because Story is awesome again and the Marlins can add in Barraclough and something else somewhere to really sweeten the pot, etc.)

Realmuto - FV55 hitter, FV55 pitcher, FV50 hitter, throw in FV45/40 guy they like (maybe 2)
Barraclough and Urena - FV50 hitter, two throw in FV45/40 guys they like
Straily and Bour - FV50 pitcher, throw in FV40 guy they like, or 2-3 FV45 type guys they really like
Dietrich, Castro, and Rojas - One-Two throw in FV45/40 guys they like

That's what I am expecting. I think this is very doable and reasonable. It's going to end up being like 18-20 new guys, with 6-7 of them being pretty good "B" or better prospects (with 1-2 of them being a real top end for JT) and then lot's of Torres/Yamamotos/Lopezs/B. Hernandez.

[tjfla]

[QUOTE=lou;392062]I feel that is an unfair characterization, to an extent. I think the prevailing wisdom would suggest, based on prospect valuation (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valu...0-prospects/):

JT - $90-100 million in surplus value
Barraclough and Urena - $40 million
Straily and Bour - $30 million
Dietrich, Castro, and Rojas - $20-30 million to the eye of the beholder
Ziegler, Maybin, and Holaday - Give us anything and take the contract
Chen and Prado - We'll pay you

That basically breaks down to this (note: Fangraphs only has 19 guys in baseball with a FV60+ value, so finding that for Realmuto is going to be hard as I suspect over half of that list is completely untouchable, as it's Acuna, Vlad, Eloy, etc. - https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-...pect-rankings/. He's definitely worth one of them, but that's a hard sell. Maybe Colorado will move Rodgers in a package because Story is awesome again and the Marlins can add in Barraclough and something else somewhere to really sweeten the pot, etc.)

Realmuto - FV55 hitter, FV55 pitcher, FV50 hitter, throw in FV45/40 guy they like (maybe 2)
Barraclough and Urena - FV50 hitter, two throw in FV45/40 guys they like
Straily and Bour - FV50 pitcher, throw in FV40 guy they like, or 2-3 FV45 type guys they really like
Dietrich, Castro, and Rojas - One-Two throw in FV45/40 guys they like

That's what I am expecting. I think this is very doable and reasonable. It's going to end up being like 18-20 new guys, with 6-7 of them being pretty good "B" or better prospects (with 1-2 of them being a real top end for JT) and then lot's of Torres/Yamamotos/Lopezs/B. Hernandez.[/QUOTE]

Ya agree with u here. I just keep hearing they want "depth" instead of value. What I mean by that is they are looking prefer the 2/3 guys at FV45 instead of 1 at FV50 and lesser guy. Denbo is happy getting the Yamamotos/Lopezs(guys who aren't ranked high but he thinks highly of them/likes them)

Again not sure Bour or Rojas will be moved unless they get an offer they love. Colorado is interesting because they could do Rodgers plus more OR go Peter Lambert/Hampson and more for either JT OR Bearclaw

I would be happy with 3 or 4 low level prospects for Ziegler/Maybin/Holaday and then move guys up like Merandy/Austin Dean

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They want that "Top Prospect" in JT deal and after the Washington deal last night they might be able to get a "Top Prospect" for Bearclaw too if he looks like this on July 19

I think JT and Bour are still here in Oct however(AT this point)

Also note on Castro. They have been telling teams they are willing to include money if they get better prospects