Season Super Game Thread

[fish16]

Alcantara's floor is a AAA pitcher with close to a 4 ERA. He faces exactly the same issues that he always did: lack of command. He appears to be a poor man's Brian Ellington.

Sierra the same. A slap hitter who doesn't get on base enough. His floor is right where he is: underperforming in AAA.

Gallen is doing better but has a ways to go. Lacking a plus pitch, he'll always walk a tightrope.

The Thomas Jones/Lazaro Alonso saga in Greensboro is amazing. With three homers each in a span of a few games, they have surpassed their entire HR output from the 2017 season at Batavia.

he will be a major league reliever at the very least. his control is not nearly as bad as you continually make it out to be, plus his lack of control comes towards the latter parts of his starts and his control would get better regardless just coming out of the bullpen for an inning or 2 at a time.

Also, Sierra will at the very least be an elite defensive 4th OF with the potential to be more. He's Jarrod Dyson with the potential to have a better hit tool with more experience.

[Erick]

Alcantara's floor is a AAA pitcher with close to a 4 ERA. He faces exactly the same issues that he always did: lack of command. He appears to be a poor man's Brian Ellington.

Sierra the same. A slap hitter who doesn't get on base enough. His floor is right where he is: underperforming in AAA.

Gallen is doing better but has a ways to go. Lacking a plus pitch, he'll always walk a tightrope.

The Thomas Jones/Lazaro Alonso saga in Greensboro is amazing. With three homers each in a span of a few games, they have surpassed their entire HR output from the 2017 season at Batavia.

Your Alcantara projection adds to the long list of laughable things you’ve said this year.

Nevermind Brian Ellington, but poor man’s Brian Ellington. Alrighty then...

[fish16]

Also, just as an aside on Sierra, ill be clear, i dont like his type of player and i would have prefered the front office go after one of their other prospect OF's in the trade, but i think his hit tool is getting an unfair wrap both based on the cardinals rushing him for god knows what reason last year and the type of hitter he is. I said it last year, Dee Gordon is obviously a good guy and productive player, i just think that type of player is less valuable than a guy who has lesser speed, a similar OBP, but a higher slugging percentage, specifically in the modern age of baseball. But Sierra's minor league numbers are brought down by a couple of stretches where he was promoted in the minors and then predictably struggled at the next level at a young age before he eventually adjusted.

Specifically, as a 19 year old he was dominating appalachian league and they moved him up after hitting .305, having a 42/19 k/bb ratio in 216 ab's and going 15/17 on SB's and OPS'ed .765, and he struggled after they moved him up and he hit .195 ops'ed .466, had a 52/7 k/bb ratio, and stole 4/9 bases.

The next year, he repeated that level he struggled at and as a 20 year old he hit .307, OPS'ed .730, and stole 31 bags (unfortunately he got CS 17 times)

Then last year, for god knows what reason, he spent 20 games and 81 ab's moving up to the FSL when the cardinals for some reason called him up from the FSL (equivalent to our jupiter team) to the bigs after hitting a respectable .272 with a .744 ops to disrupt his development just to be a defensive replacement. Then they sent him back down to AA after he only had 81 ab's in the FSL and he predictably struggled there to the tune of a .665 ops, although he did have a better SB rate with 17/22.

My point being that he has been rushed a shit ton the last 2 years and if you were expecting him to crush AAA pitching this year you just didnt do your hw. i dont know how the organizational OF depth chart went down, but i think it would have made a ton more sense to have him start this year in Jax with harrison and diaz and let Dean start in AAA rather than continue to rush him.

Especially considering his hitting profile as a non power hitter, he's the type of guy that will take a month to adjust to the pitching but will eventually figure it out but his overall numbers wont reflect the overall adjustment he made to each level as time goes on. And thats why i think he needs this entire year in AAA and maybe even the first 2 months next year to adjust to the AAA pitching and then a month up here to adjust to MLB pitching before you evaluate him too harshly. Specifically concerning his hitting profile as a non power hitter, his OPS and other similar stats will not cover up for a lack of polish his first month up here and he needs to be given time to adjust at each level.

Also, i know great prospects like Acuna are now getting to the bigs at 20, but Sierra is 22 years old and doesnt turn 23 until next year, has speed, and is already considered an elite defensive CF. He's not this type of finished product like people want to make him out to be. Im not arguing he's a top 100 prospect, but people are not giving him a fair wrap hitting wise given his profile, the context with which his minor league career numbers need, and the fact that he was rushed for the last year and a half.

[Lee Stone]

Brian Ellington career Minor League numbers: 3.42 ERA .206 BAA 1.29 WHIP
Sandy Alcantara career Minor League numbers: 3.90 ERA .244 BAA 1.34 WHIP

Don't kill the messenger.

I like Joe Gunkel for the Marlin pen. 20K vs 1W and a 1.90 ERA to date.

[Maddawg]

Well at least we didn't get completely hosed on the deal. Alcantara and Sierra MIGHT eventually be something

[Nick]

Brian Ellington career Minor League numbers: 3.42 ERA .206 BAA 1.29 WHIP
Sandy Alcantara career Minor League numbers: 3.90 ERA .244 BAA 1.34 WHIP

Don't kill the messenger.

I like Joe Gunkel for the Marlin pen. 20K vs 1W and a 1.90 ERA to date.

Should we break down the differences between a starter and a reliever? Obviously I'm not as high on Alcantara as others, but come on man.

[fish16]

Well at least we didn't get completely hosed on the deal. Alcantara and Sierra MIGHT eventually be something

ya we should have done the deal where we get prospects but still 100% know they will all be good without any hesitation. marlins are such idiots!!!

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alcantara was great last night and is striking out a batter an inning to the tune of a 3.27 era thus far. And his walk rate is high but again most of those have come in the last inning of his starts when he loses his stamina.

[Lee Stone]

Should we break down the differences between a starter and a reliever? Obviously I'm not as high on Alcantara as others, but come on man.

BAA and WHIP are starter/reliever dependent? Ben Meyer, for example, has produced identical numbers in both capacities.

[fish16]

BAA and WHIP are starter/reliever dependent? Ben Meyer, for example, has produced identical numbers in both capacities.

yes. yes they are. there is a reason some guys are relievers and some are starters. a guy might be able to come in and throw 99 for an inning out of the bullpen and survive with only 2 pitches, but would get crushed if forced to do it over 6-7 innings. meyer would be an exception, not the rule.

[Maddawg]

So no one wants to talk about the loss to the MIGHTY Reds last night ? Hahaha

[fish16]

So no one wants to talk about the loss to the MIGHTY Reds last night ? Hahaha

youre unbelievably predictable.

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weird how the first time in months where you have a 1 week super busy schedule that doesnt allow you to post on here is the week when we win 6 of 7 or whatever it was. and then right when we lose again youre schedule lightens up. crazy coincidence! youre a straight troll

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And yet they're on pace to only win 38, and going to the Dodgers, and at home vs Colorado. They may not win until a game in the 1st week of May. It's a real possibility.

a real nostradamus.

[Maddawg]

youre unbelievably predictable.

and so are you....totally !!!

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a real nostradamus.

And what in my statement was a prediction ? A "might not", is not a prediction, it's a just stating a possibility ....but carry on Jocksniffer.

[fish16]

and so are you....totally !!!

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And what in my statement was a prediction ? A "might not", is not a prediction, it's a just stating a possibility ....but carry on Jocksniffer.

yes, im sure the point of your post was really just to let us know that there was a possibility that existed that it is possible to go a week without winning a game. im sure thats why, you just wanted to alert us to the possibility of an endless spectrum of potential outcomes over the course of a week of games.

You're just a troll, the other guy even called you out for doing it on the other website too. you're not really fooling anyone and im not sure why you continue to waste your time posting on here.

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we gotta go 24-107 to hit your win projection btw. you'll be right on the money with that one im sure.

[Maddawg]

yes, im sure the point of your post was really just to let us know that there was a possibility that existed that it is possible to go a week without winning a game. im sure thats why, you just wanted to alert us to the possibility of an endless spectrum of potential outcomes over the course of a week of games.

You're just a troll, the other guy even called you out for doing it on the other website too. you're not really fooling anyone and im not sure why you continue to waste your time posting on here.

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we gotta go 24-107 to hit your win projection btw. you'll be right on the money with that one im sure.

I had never even heard of that site before he mentioned it, so go ahead keep saying that was me, but it's you that are the fool.

As much you want, and say pretty, pretty please it doesn't make it a prediction. And I still think that they will be closer to 35 than to 60. They haven't even shed Realmuto, Castro, and whoever ele yet.....they are not as bad as they will be at the end of the season.

[fish16]

im sure. and that prediction is gold. thank you.