Season Super Game Thread

[fauowls44]

Actually I think deciding to keep players like Barraclough, Straily, Castro, and Dietrich because they've been "playing pretty good" over the past 2 months is a very Loria move. Then he'd change his mind the next season and trade the players when their value is lower.

This team has been playing well and is fun to watch most nights, but they aren't close to a contending team...certainly not close enough not to move a few trade-able assets when their value is at their peak. Nobody is saying to give them away. If the offers aren't good enough, then hold onto them all....but it seems like right now, there is a good market given the Hand trade. The Marlins would be wise to cash in on a few of these guys...especially the relievers.

[Erick]

So Maddawg now wants to keep this whole team...the one he thought would win 35 games this year.

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Maddawg is nothing but a troll. It’s been obvious for months

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Source: #Mets are getting 2 prospects Wahl and Toffey and international slot money for Familia

Rosenthal says it's $1 million in international slot money.

Mets have became the old Marlins. They refused to pay Familia's salary so instead of Mateo they got a worse package.

1 million is for the Mets to try to get Gaston OR Mesa

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Something to watch for during the trade deadline is IFA Pool Cash

Teams are looking for it for Sandy Gaston(wants 2.5 million+) and Victor Victor(Most cash gets him)

Cincy/Oak/St Louis/Atl/CWS/Hou/Wash have some to trade so don't be surprised it trades with these teams includes it

Marlins have "guessing" 4.5-4.75 million left

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From Cafardo

6. Dan Straily, RHP, Marlins — He’s getting some interest from teams looking at a back-end starter. The Marlins feel they can get the Red Sox interested. The Marlins aren’t completely enamored by the choices from the Red Sox farm system. There is some sentiment for Blake Swihart but with Christian Vazquez gone until September sometime, the Red Sox may not be able to swing such a deal.

Marlins like Swihart,Chatham and 2 or 3 low level arms so pickings are very slim

[Namaste]

Anyone still on the team should be on the selling block (for the right price). You never want to do half or 3/4 of a FIRE SALE. You have to go all in.

But I will say this, I’m giving this new ownership team the benefit of the doubt. If they build a good ball club that is a playoff contender in 2020/2021 and then do ANYTHING resembling a FIRE SALE just when Marlins fans finally have something to cheer about, I’m fucking out and I’m never coming back.

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The team is playing pretty good, and all we can talk about is, how we can break up a team that has had a winning record over the last 50 games.

And people blame me for being cynical. So trade guys that are playing decent for prospects that could be the next Kyle Skipworth or Jeremy Hermida.

Life of a Marlins fan is perpetual depression. Nothing has changed....it still feels like Loria is in charge.

You continually show that either you just dont understand how to build a baseball team or you are just a troll who will find a way to troll regardless of what happens. Also, for us to finish closer to 35 wins than 60 wins like you said not even 2 weeks ago we would have to go at best 4-58 the rest of the year. Hard to be quite as wrong as youve been the entire year. Congrats on that.

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Anyone still on the team should be on the selling block (for the right price). You never want to do half or 3/4 of a FIRE SALE. You have to go all in.

But I will say this, I’m giving this new ownership team the benefit of the doubt. If they build a good ball club that is a playoff contender in 2020/2021 and then do ANYTHING resembling a FIRE SALE just when Marlins fans finally have something to cheer about, I’m fucking out and I’m never coming back.

Exactly. But especially for relievers like Barraclough. You get the best hitting prospect you can get and you deal him as quickly as possible.

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Doolittle has a stress reaction in foot. Out for weeks maybe months so Washington could be buyers on RP market now too

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WE are pretty much at a best case scenario heading into the deadline from where we were going into the year/after april. Straily has come back and pitched to his capabilities to where we can trade him for decent value or keep him as a cheap SP option going forward. Barraclough has had his best year yet and is at the peak of his value. Ziegler has rebounded after a terrible start to where we could try and do another Casey Mcgehee/Luis castillo deal and hope we get lucky like that again on a lower level prospect that we like. Dietrich has finally put it together and has a good amount of value for a contender. JT has indicated he would listen to re-signing but also has been the best catcher in baseball so if we need to trade him we can get a huge return.

Pretty good stuff all around in terms of being able to get value for guys at the deadline. Keep the rebuild going and keep churning the roster and finding long term keepers and organizational depth.

[lou]

I don’t think teams are drooling over Straily and his xFIP that’s approaching 5.00.

This is pretty interesting - https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/m...215154570.html

I like guys who approach the game like this - he's their poor man's Bauer or Corbin. I think he's a pretty safe # 4 SP despite some of the random crap he was throwing earlier in the year. You let him start game 4 in playoff series and take him out 3rd time through the lineup.

I don't think anyone is drooling over him, but he's cheap, relatively quality innings, right side of 30, with 2 years of control, and some upside if he tinkers with a pitch just right. They'd get something for him, and that's probably a good deal considering all the 4/5 SP candidates they have to sort out.

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Actually I think deciding to keep players like Barraclough, Straily, Castro, and Dietrich because they've been "playing pretty good" over the past 2 months is a very Loria move. Then he'd change his mind the next season and trade the players when their value is lower.

This team has been playing well and is fun to watch most nights, but they aren't close to a contending team...certainly not close enough not to move a few trade-able assets when their value is at their peak. Nobody is saying to give them away. If the offers aren't good enough, then hold onto them all....but it seems like right now, there is a good market given the Hand trade. The Marlins would be wise to cash in on a few of these guys...especially the relievers.

Completely agree. It's eyes on the prize for 2020, more likely 2021, and those guys don't fit in to that plan. I don't see the Marlins extending any of them for $25-40 million, which is what they'd probably each cost on a 5 year deal for 2019-2022/23. They are all good secondary pieces. They aren't the guys you build around like Anderson, theoretically Brinson, Alcantara, etc.

Definitely cash out on Barraclough, Castro, Ziegler, Dietrich, and Maybin. Everyone else, get what you want or hold on to them for a future move.

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This is pretty interesting - https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/m...215154570.html

I like guys who approach the game like this - he's their poor man's Bauer or Corbin. I think he's a pretty safe # 4 SP despite some of the random crap he was throwing earlier in the year. You let him start game 4 in playoff series and take him out 3rd time through the lineup.

I don't think anyone is drooling over him, but he's cheap, relatively quality innings, right side of 30, with 2 years of control, and some upside if he tinkers with a pitch just right. They'd get something for him, and that's probably a good deal considering all the 4/5 SP candidates they have to sort out.

Ya, I think Straily has value more as a guy that you kind of know what youre going to get from. He wont be as big of a return as i thought he could have been in the offseason or at the trade deadline if he continued his season from last year, but he has value to a contender who just needs to fill a back end of the rotation spot with a consistent veteran with 2 more years of team control. Dont think he'll get us a top prospect but he'll get us a few decent prospects to add to the system.

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Pablo Lopez has impressed me in his first few starts. Reminds me a lot of Henderson Alvarez in terms of style and potential.

[tjfla]

This is pretty interesting - https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/m...215154570.html

I like guys who approach the game like this - he's their poor man's Bauer or Corbin. I think he's a pretty safe # 4 SP despite some of the random crap he was throwing earlier in the year. You let him start game 4 in playoff series and take him out 3rd time through the lineup.

I don't think anyone is drooling over him, but he's cheap, relatively quality innings, right side of 30, with 2 years of control, and some upside if he tinkers with a pitch just right. They'd get something for him, and that's probably a good deal considering all the 4/5 SP candidates they have to sort out.

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Completely agree. It's eyes on the prize for 2020, more likely 2021, and those guys don't fit in to that plan. I don't see the Marlins extending any of them for $25-40 million, which is what they'd probably each cost on a 5 year deal for 2019-2022/23. They are all good secondary pieces. They aren't the guys you build around like Anderson, theoretically Brinson, Alcantara, etc.

Definitely cash out on Barraclough, Castro, Ziegler, Dietrich, and Maybin. Everyone else, get what you want or hold on to them for a future move.

No drooling but NYY,Boston,Cubs,SF are looking hard at him. He is a cheap option on a market that is bare. If u can get Swihart plus 2 low level arms(Raudes/Diaz) for him u jump on it even tho I think could get more from NYY

Cash out on Bearclaw,Castro,Ziegler,Straily,DD. Steck and Conley if overpay. Maybin and Holaday if get offered something

[fauowls44]

Heyman tweeted that the Yankees and Marlins spoke about Straily but don’t appear close on anything.

https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status...649283072?s=21

[flamarlins93]

I kinda wonder if they do move the majority of the players most commonly discussed if that will affect J.T's opinion about re-signing. I don't expect him to re-sign tho.

My biggest fear is all the faith in this new group. I understand being happy Loria is gone and that things needed to change. However if J.T. doesn't resign who do they build this team around? Anderson could be a part of a rebuild but not someone to build this team around and I don't really see anyone in the system right now that would be considered that player. We still know very little as to what this group is going to do.

I am not saying I don't think they should trade these guys. They have to get maximum return in all the ones that are under control for multiple years and not trade for depth players like in their earlier trades.

I also don't understand all the faith in Alcantara. He was average in the minors this year I am still not sure he will even be able to stay a starter in the future. They have a few guys who could be major league starters in the minors but they are far from a sure thing.

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Does Trevor Richards have mostly gray hair or am i seeing things?