Season Super Game Thread

[fish16]

I don’t think 1 bad outing hurts his value. He clearly didn’t have it today. Perhaps it had something to do with his illness.

The illness and the fact that he was pitching a 2nd consecutive game probably didnt help. His value wont be significantly different between now and next tuesday. They still need to trade him though.

[tjfla]

Heyman tweeted that the Yankees and Marlins spoke about Straily but don’t appear close on anything.

https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status...649283072?s=21

i messaged about this a day before!!!

They might come back around to it but couldn't agree on names. NYY is trying to buy low and 4/5 other teams have spoke with us on Straily

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Still nothing about us with Oakland or Colorado but news is finally coming out they are looking to buy so wouldn't be surprised to see them connected with our guys

Baltimore is screwing EVERYTHING up with the trade market. They didn't expect to suck so did NOT do any scouting and now that they suck they need to trade guys but are behind on knowing what they want

[rmc523]

The team is playing pretty good, and all we can talk about is, how we can break up a team that has had a winning record over the last 50 games.

And people blame me for being cynical. So trade guys that are playing decent for prospects that could be the next Kyle Skipworth or Jeremy Hermida.

Life of a Marlins fan is perpetual depression. Nothing has changed....it still feels like Loria is in charge.

No, Loria would think we're still in it and trade away half our system for Fernando Rodney.

Yeah but at least they are winning, something we have only seen as Marlins fans 6 seasons in their whole history. 6 out of 25, and just when they have a team that is playing well, let's break it up.

It's the same story no matter who the owner, let's take away players anytime you start to appreciate their play. It's almost as if we're NEVER allowed to enjoy winning play - MLB has some secret rule - if the Marlins start winning we can't allow that for very long.

There is no chance of ever building a loyal fanbase if you continue this constant revolving door of players. What if the next set of trades bring back 2 or 3 more Lewis Brinson's ??? We're then totally fucked for years. And knowing the past luck of this team I'm completely ready for that to happen. I mean I almost expect it.

And if you think my mindset is an abberation from most people in Miami, just look at the enthusiasm and crowds that go to the games. Most people in Miami just don't care anymore....and Jeter I think is delusional if he believes just a winning team will fix this situation....because folks here are afraid that if they start caring the team will be broken up....hence they want no part of it.

Still to this day you rarely hear of any Marlins chatter on local radio shows such a Joe Rose's show on WQAM. They talk about the Dolphins, the Heat and the Hurricanes and maybe about the Marlins to say "oh they won a game last night" and then follow it up with "but folks don't get too excited the trading deadline is almost here".

By the way I thought that one of the things Jeter would change is promoting the team locally on radio and TV, yet I haven't seen a change in that at all. Again it's just like Loria is still running the show. I haven't heard a single player interviewed or an appearance anywhere.

I get what you're saying, but this is pretty much the standard rebuilding process - you suck for a couple of years and churn over the roster trading away bullpen arms and people approaching FA, and (hopefully) get back your new core in those trades.

I'll agree that this'll probably be a "last straw" scenario for the team, though - if they continue the antics years down the road (fire sale, etc), they'll lose even the hardcore fans, as someone mentioned above.

Comments like those you mentioned are going to happen in a year like this regardless of a firesale or not. If we had last year's team plus the same record as this year, you'd have the same comments.

The reality is, it's going to take years to shed the Loria/fire sale image. Both through consistent winning, and lack of future fire sales. Trades are going to happen regardless of rebuilding or just in the middle of the pack.

I think we'll see a push next year as far as marketing goes - this year they kinda jumped in and had to learn the ropes, evaluate what works, what doesn't, go see other teams' approaches, etc. We've heard this as far as the ballpark experience goes, with execs going to San Diego and a few other places to get ideas, and have stated they're going to implement changes for next season - I'm sure marketing will undergo a similar overhaul in the offseason/for next season too.

Does Trevor Richards have mostly gray hair or am i seeing things?

I noticed that too, and was thinking the same thing.

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i messaged about this a day before!!!

They might come back around to it but couldn't agree on names. NYY is trying to buy low and 4/5 other teams have spoke with us on Straily

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Still nothing about us with Oakland or Colorado but news is finally coming out they are looking to buy so wouldn't be surprised to see them connected with our guys

Baltimore is screwing EVERYTHING up with the trade market. They didn't expect to suck so did NOT do any scouting and now that they suck they need to trade guys but are behind on knowing what they want

I mean, it took this long for them to start that process? It's been evident most of the year.

[tjfla]

No, Loria would think we're still in it and trade away half our system for Fernando Rodney.



I get what you're saying, but this is pretty much the standard rebuilding process - you suck for a couple of years and churn over the roster trading away bullpen arms and people approaching FA, and (hopefully) get back your new core in those trades.

I'll agree that this'll probably be a "last straw" scenario for the team, though - if they continue the antics years down the road (fire sale, etc), they'll lose even the hardcore fans, as someone mentioned above.

Comments like those you mentioned are going to happen in a year like this regardless of a firesale or not. If we had last year's team plus the same record as this year, you'd have the same comments.

The reality is, it's going to take years to shed the Loria/fire sale image. Both through consistent winning, and lack of future fire sales. Trades are going to happen regardless of rebuilding or just in the middle of the pack.

I think we'll see a push next year as far as marketing goes - this year they kinda jumped in and had to learn the ropes, evaluate what works, what doesn't, go see other teams' approaches, etc. We've heard this as far as the ballpark experience goes, with execs going to San Diego and a few other places to get ideas, and have stated they're going to implement changes for next season - I'm sure marketing will undergo a similar overhaul in the offseason/for next season too.



I noticed that too, and was thinking the same thing.

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I mean, it took this long for them to start that process? It's been evident most of the year.

If Jeff was still in charge he would have already trade Pablo for Rodney because we were on a winning streak

They knew about Machado and FA but they didnt realize they would be this bad so teams are calling about controllable guys and Baltimore's response is maybe we will let u know. Was rumor that Oakland called about someone and Baltimore had NO scouting reports on any A's prospect so they sent like 75% of scouting dept to do look just at Oakland last week. In the LA trade they took 3 guys(Bannon/Pop/Valera) because they tried to draft 2 of them and Valera they tried to get on Waivers in ST

[lou]

I don’t think 1 bad outing hurts his value. He clearly didn’t have it today. Perhaps it had something to do with his illness.

Yea, teams know guys blow up. Barraclough is still who he is. It's reasonable to expect his career line moving forward, and every contender would love that.

[tjfla]

The LHR market is crazy. Teams who called on Britton are LAD/Hou/NYY/Bos/Milw/Cubs/Ariz/Philly/Atl. 6 or so are left

So 9 teams want a LHR

Bearclaw didn't lose any value. Now if it happens 2 or 3 times this week may be an issue

Love seeing Ariz/Col/Oak/Milw going hot after guys. Just adds to the buyers list

Boston and SF are going after guys BUT are looking for teams to send cash OR take back some so they can stay under Tax line.

[tjfla]

Passan says TB are BUYERS for controllable players and NYY are looking for controllable arms.(Heard they called us on Straily and Conley) Trying to use Drury as bait.

Heyman said we talked but Denbo is looking for prospects he likes. If NYY misses on others than maybe they come back around

[Maddawg]

[QUOTE=rmc523;392758]No, Loria would think we're still in it and trade away half our system for Fernando Rodney.

I get what you're saying, but this is pretty much the standard rebuilding process - you suck for a couple of years and churn over the roster trading away bullpen arms and people approaching FA, and (hopefully) get back your new core in those trades.

I'll agree that this'll probably be a "last straw" scenario for the team, though - if they continue the antics years down the road (fire sale, etc), they'll lose even the hardcore fans, as someone mentioned above.

Comments like those you mentioned are going to happen in a year like this regardless of a firesale or not. If we had last year's team plus the same record as this year, you'd have the same comments.

The reality is, it's going to take years to shed the Loria/fire sale image. Both through consistent winning, and lack of future fire sales. Trades are going to happen regardless of rebuilding or just in the middle of the pack.

I think we'll see a push next year as far as marketing goes - this year they kinda jumped in and had to learn the ropes, evaluate what works, what doesn't, go see other teams' approaches, etc. We've heard this as far as the ballpark experience goes, with execs going to San Diego and a few other places to get ideas, and have stated they're going to implement changes for next season - I'm sure marketing will undergo a similar overhaul in the offseason/for next season too.

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/QUOTE]

thank you for not calling me a troll, because I'm not one. Just someone can't accept that my way of thinking is the majority one around town, which by definition makes me not a troll....I don't not have a minority position on the Marlins, and I only state my true beliefs and comments. They are only my opinion and are not made to incite someone else. If they do it's because the other person isn't adult enough to engage in peoper discourse without dismissive posts and childish namecalling.

I agree this is a LONG process to get people to care. MLB made huge mistake by not envoking the "in the best interests of baseball" clause and remove Loria in 2012 when he firesaled the same year he opened the new stadium.

By 2014 it was clear he had no plan in place and was scrambling. For the games best interests longterm with the South Fla baseball community he should have been compensated and removed. They could've done it, they chose not too. Each year Loria kept digging in deeper and making the situation worse.

I spoke today at work with three co-workers who in the past have gone to multiple games and we'd chit-chat about the Marlins at lunch. There has been little to NO talk amongst us this season, and today I asked point-blank and all three said "Never again", they've cared about the team and each time it's been heartbreak, they just don't wan't to do it again. Two of them now regularly go to Atlanta Braves games...have made trips to Atlanta and when Atlanta played in Washington just recently. They have moved on, and are they said "very unlikely" to ever trust in the Marlins ever again.

This is not an uncommon feeling in South Fla. And around town it's more likely to see a Braves, Mets or Cubs t-shirt than a Marlins one. And even sometimes you can see people point, snicker and whisper to a companiom, if you are wearing one.

Yes it's that bad.

[Nick]

thank you for not calling me a troll, because I'm not one. Just someone can't accept that my way of thinking is the majority one around town, which by definition makes me not a troll....I don't not have a minority position on the Marlins, and I only state my true beliefs and comments. They are only my opinion and are not made to incite someone else. If they do it's because the other person isn't adult enough to engage in peoper discourse without dismissive posts and childish namecalling.

I agree this is a LONG process to get people to care. MLB made huge mistake by not envoking the "in the best interests of baseball" clause and remove Loria in 2012 when he firesaled the same year he opened the new stadium.

By 2014 it was clear he had no plan in place and was scrambling. For the games best interests longterm with the South Fla baseball community he should have been compensated and removed. They could've done it, they chose not too. Each year Loria kept digging in deeper and making the situation worse.

I spoke today at work with three co-workers who in the past have gone to multiple games and we'd chit-chat about the Marlins at lunch. There has been little to NO talk amongst us this season, and today I asked point-blank and all three said "Never again", they've cared about the team and each time it's been heartbreak, they just don't wan't to do it again. Two of them now regularly go to Atlanta Braves games...have made trips to Atlanta and when Atlanta played in Washington just recently. They have moved on, and are they said "very unlikely" to ever trust in the Marlins ever again.

This is not an uncommon feeling in South Fla. And around town it's more likely to see a Braves, Mets or Cubs t-shirt than a Marlins one. And even sometimes you can see people point, snicker and whisper to a companiom, if you are wearing one.

Yes it's that bad.

I'm not even going to say you're wrong about how bad the relationship situation is between the city of Miami and the Marlins. I just question what you get out of coming on here and telling us about how bad it is. Like we don't know. Fact of the matter is the only way to fix the situation is to go down the road that Jeter and Co. are currently going down with the franchise. Have I liked everything they've done, no, I've been critical of quite a bit of the way they've handled things, particularly from a PR standpoint, but I'm also not going to continue to crucify them for the sins of Loria like it seems you want to do.

[Maddawg]

I'm not even going to say you're wrong about how bad the relationship situation is between the city of Miami and the Marlins. I just question what you get out of coming on here and telling us about how bad it is.

This is the only place we have to talk about the Marlins...literally the only place. No groups on Facebook are active and Marlinsbaseball.com owner Larry and I had a falling out 8 or 9 years ago when he wouldn't ban someone that was so obviously being protected by him and was someone planted by the team itself. It became untenable to remain on that board. No one on that board agreed with him and he came on there to obviously obsfitcate the truth and protect the Marlins interests, Loria's reputation and would name call anyone that said one word counter to his posts.

Like we don't know. Fact of the matter is the only way to fix the situation is to go down the road that Jeter and Co. are currently going down with the franchise. Have I liked everything they've done, no, I've been critical of quite a bit of the way they've handled things, particularly from a PR standpoint, but I'm also not going to continue to crucify them for the sins of Loria like it seems you want to do.

I'm willing to go down that road, but Jeter & company need to be called out. I've become so jaded that to some it may seem I am here to troll, but I must remind you I more fairly represent the locals feelings towards the Marlins than a lot of people who post here do. We have shit to get off our chest, and it's years of being dumped on by Loria, and we can't just shed it that quickly. I can't just turn it off at the snap of fingers. And when I see a controlable friendly contracted player such as Yelich traded for a bust like Brinson, it makes me question my sanity to continue to support a franchise that is maybe PURPOSELY not trying to build or is so incompetant that they could not see that two other franchises couldn't WAIT to get rid of this guy and we are seeing 1st hand why until he was DL'd. Unless Brinson and Harrison turn out to be more than just utility players that trade was a MAJOR bust of a BIG ASSET and puts us behind maybe one or two years. It was that big of a possible mistake. You simply cannot trade Yelich and get back that little, especially when he has that friendly contract. It's gross incompetance.

[Nick]

Yelich demanded a trade. Bad trades happen, too early to say if this is one. I think most experts thought we did well at the time, early returns are not great. We'll see. I had a much bigger problem with the Ozuna trade, but Ozuna's been terrible this year, so in retrospect probably good we dealt him when we did. Dietrich and Anderson have been a better offensive duo than Yelich/Ozuna this year if you assume they'd have the same numbers if they were still with us.

[lou]

Unless Brinson and Harrison turn out to be more than just utility players that trade was a MAJOR bust of a BIG ASSET and puts us behind maybe one or two years. It was that big of a possible mistake. You simply cannot trade Yelich and get back that little, especially when he has that friendly contract. It's gross incompetance.

Duh and you also cannot evaluate a trade 3-4 months in when 4 prospects are involved. Things could radically change if Brinson/Monte/Diaz becomes what Anderson currently is, along with if one more of them turns into a solid unspectacular regular, maybe Yamamoto being a good reliever or 5th SP, etc. In fact, Diaz's walk rate should be exciting people more then it is. It's over 15% on the year which is awesome.

Maybe chill and let things play out.

[rmc523]

I agree this is a LONG process to get people to care. MLB made huge mistake by not envoking the "in the best interests of baseball" clause and remove Loria in 2012 when he firesaled the same year he opened the new stadium.

By 2014 it was clear he had no plan in place and was scrambling. For the games best interests longterm with the South Fla baseball community he should have been compensated and removed. They could've done it, they chose not too. Each year Loria kept digging in deeper and making the situation worse.

I spoke today at work with three co-workers who in the past have gone to multiple games and we'd chit-chat about the Marlins at lunch. There has been little to NO talk amongst us this season, and today I asked point-blank and all three said "Never again", they've cared about the team and each time it's been heartbreak, they just don't wan't to do it again. Two of them now regularly go to Atlanta Braves games...have made trips to Atlanta and when Atlanta played in Washington just recently. They have moved on, and are they said "very unlikely" to ever trust in the Marlins ever again.

This is not an uncommon feeling in South Fla. And around town it's more likely to see a Braves, Mets or Cubs t-shirt than a Marlins one. And even sometimes you can see people point, snicker and whisper to a companiom, if you are wearing one.

Yes it's that bad.

Yeah I'm right there with you regarding the "best interests" thing, although the moves were viewed good "baseball" moves even if it was a firesale, so it'd have been interesting to see what reasoning they'd have given.

Well, there's not much to talk about - I have a coworker who's a Yankees/Marlins fan and we talk about them sometimes. Neither of us have gone to nearly as many games this year as years past.

There's so many transplants, that's not surprising you see more of other teams. But the fanbase has been shot in the foot from the start - start play in '93, then a strike in '94 - to the highest high of winning it all in '97 only to have the team dismantled days later - why in the world would people show up after that? Then they won again in '03....and they did keep it together for a couple years, but dumped everyone again - then a high of 2012 - new ballpark, spend lots of money, dump everyone again (though the team sucked), and now to where we are now.

Every time it looks like the fanbase might have something to root for, the whole thing is upended, there's been no consistency (outside of consistently trading everyone away) for people to support, so there's no support.

I fully believe that if they do get into the playoffs, fans will come - it's a very bandwagon region. But in order to keep them coming, you have to consistently be good/competitive.

I'm willing to go down that road, but Jeter & company need to be called out. I've become so jaded that to some it may seem I am here to troll, but I must remind you I more fairly represent the locals feelings towards the Marlins than a lot of people who post here do. We have shit to get off our chest, and it's years of being dumped on by Loria, and we can't just shed it that quickly. I can't just turn it off at the snap of fingers. And when I see a controlable friendly contracted player such as Yelich traded for a bust like Brinson, it makes me question my sanity to continue to support a franchise that is maybe PURPOSELY not trying to build or is so incompetant that they could not see that two other franchises couldn't WAIT to get rid of this guy and we are seeing 1st hand why until he was DL'd. Unless Brinson and Harrison turn out to be more than just utility players that trade was a MAJOR bust of a BIG ASSET and puts us behind maybe one or two years. It was that big of a possible mistake. You simply cannot trade Yelich and get back that little, especially when he has that friendly contract. It's gross incompetance.

Unfortunately it's just a waiting game now, both for the team becoming good, and for the fanbase to overcome the team's history and start showing up, and there's not much to be done about that.

I agree it sucks about losing Yelich, but if he was going to be a cancer to the team, it's probably best to move him. Let's give the guys we acquired more time before throwing them into the bust category. Brinson should've been down to begin with for service time along, but later on for performance.....it seemed like he was turning a corner before getting injured, though.

[Namaste]

Another hot garbage start by our Opening Day starter.

[fish16]

Another hot garbage start by our Opening Day starter.

you say opening day starter as if it means anything with this roster. No one is acting like he is anything close to a top of the rotation arm. According to fangraphs he's got a 1.7 WAR already and a 3.86 XFIP. He is a really solid mid rotation arm if this is who he is longterm.