Season Super Game Thread

[Erick]

Neither of them suck when healthy, and prado absolutely could have at least some trade value in the offseason, especially if he plays well this year like he has when hes been healthy for us.

Wei-Yin Chen is terrible.

And nobody is giving up anything of significance for Prado to be honest.

Both terrible contracts, especially Chen. And in Chen’s case, he is blocking guys. Fortunately, I have confidence he won’t come back as his intention has really been to steal money all along.

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Wei-Yin Chen is terrible.

And nobody is giving up anything of significance for Prado to be honest.

Both terrible contracts, especially Chen. And in Chen’s case, he is blocking guys. Fortunately, I have confidence he won’t come back as his intention has really been to steal money all along.

Chen is not at all terrible when he's healthy, hes just never healthy. Chen isnt blocking anyone of significance, this rotation is dying for an actual mlb level starter to eat some starts this year. He's not trying to steal money either, thats fucking dumb. He's just intent on not getting the TJ surgery im guessing because hes already had one in his career and its hurting the team.

Someone would give up something of value for Prado if he plays well this year and we eat a little of the money next year.

[lou]

That’s a silly way to look at .BABIP.

1. The .200 number is the result of not a lot of hard contact.
2. This doesn’t take into account the complete lack of power so far.

His defense has been good though.

I agree, but at the same time a 64% GB and 17% hard hit rate is likely an outlier. If those change 10% each, which shouldn't be that unreasonable given who he is, he's hitting .250 with a 20 HR pace rather immediately.

Still think the silver lining here is this is a perfect excuse to send him down for 6 weeks

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Wei-Yin Chen is terrible.

And nobody is giving up anything of significance for Prado to be honest.

Both terrible contracts, especially Chen. And in Chen’s case, he is blocking guys. Fortunately, I have confidence he won’t come back as his intention has really been to steal money all along.

I think Prado will get you a FV40 RP arm, like Steckenrider/Ellington (two if he is playing well) and it's a total crapshoot if the guy(s) work out. That plus shedding money is a win for the organization though.

Chen is a total loss, but if they shed literally every other contract, who cares. I just hope they don't attach him to Realmuto and take a package back without a centerpiece.

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man this weather around the league is really starting to get annoying.

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I agree, but at the same time a 64% GB and 17% hard hit rate is likely an outlier. If those change 10% each, which shouldn't be that unreasonable given who he is, he's hitting .250 with a 20 HR pace rather immediately.

Still think the silver lining here is this is a perfect excuse to send him down for 6 weeks

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I think Prado will get you a FV40 RP arm, like Steckenrider/Ellington (two if he is playing well) and it's a total crapshoot if the guy(s) work out. That plus shedding money is a win for the organization though.

Chen is a total loss, but if they shed literally every other contract, who cares. I just hope they don't attach him to Realmuto and take a package back without a centerpiece.

Agreed with this. I think the possibility of trading Chen is 0, but i think it would be pretty big just for the rotation for the next few years if he could at least fucking pitch. When he's been healthy for us he hasnt been bad, he's just never healthy. IF he could just become a guy who simply throws a ball every 5 days in the rotation that would be really big help for the next few years even though we arent competing.

I do think Prado could get us an arm that we might like though. Even if its just taking a flier on a guy you never know what could happen. Reminder that we traded hits Mcgehee and got luis castillo out of the deal. Mostly, to me though, is that Prado coming back and getting ab's every day isnt blocking any prospect from getting an opportunity, and if anything it will help see how versatile brian anderson can be. Mish says he will be playing RF/3b/1b and he was a 2b at points in the minors, so that could be something that helps in the future.

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i will never understand the love mattingly has for pitching our worst relievers significantly more often than our best relievers. also, where the fuck is wittgren already? The front office has consistently treated him as if he's not a quality reliever, dating all the way back to when he was making his way up our minor league affiliates. he's one of our better relievers.

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Justin bour with another hr. he got hot really damn quick. Now on pace for 43 hr's and 108 rbi's

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Danny M.
@all_right_Miami
The “thank you Loria” list of prospects he traded away (ordered in level of hurt its caused):

Martes
Castillo
Heaney
Williams
Disclafani
Moran
Barnes
Marisnick
Naylor
Paddack

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Danny M.
@all_right_Miami
The “thank you Loria” list of prospects he traded away (ordered in level of hurt its caused):

Martes
Castillo
Heaney
Williams
Disclafani
Moran
Barnes
Marisnick
Naylor
Paddack

There is literally almost 15-20 guys who if we kept them would have made it more plausible that we could have kept the previous core either because they are still affordable or because we wouldnt have had to sign guys like Chen, Ziegler, Tazawa, and Prado.

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Oh shit i didnt even realize we play Stanton and the yankees tomorrow. That should be fun and incredibly weird to play against him.

[Maddawg]

And for those snickering at my prediction of 35 wins......with todays result, sitting at a pace of .2666666.... or 43.2 wins, and sinking. And we haven't even traded Castro, Anderson, Bour or Realmuto yet....and yes I said Anderson, because he's a decent player - not allowed on a Jeter team until the magical 2020 season LOL.

[Nick]

The thing about Brinson is, I saw him in three games this spring, and when he was making contact, it was all hard contact, line drives everywhere. You can talk about BABIP or anything else all you want, but he's earned that stat line so far this year. He hasn't hit anything hard. Weak ground balls, pop-ups, I think he'll come out of it, but man I'd like to see at least a flash of what I saw in the Spring.

[fish16]

And for those snickering at my prediction of 35 wins......with todays result, sitting at a pace of .2666666.... or 43.2 wins, and sinking. And we haven't even traded Castro, Anderson, Bour or Realmuto yet....and yes I said Anderson, because he's a decent player - not allowed on a Jeter team until the magical 2020 season LOL.

first, 43.2 isnt anywhere close to 35, and second, again i ask you to go check out the roster fielded by that tigers team that was the worst in history. Every single time you make that point it just makes you look more and more stupid and like you have no knowledge when it comes to evaluating a team. A team of nothing but replacement level players (i.e. 0 war for the entire team) is still miles ahead of 35 wins, and we dont have anything close to 0 WAR on this team.

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And fangraphs, a neutral third party who uses actual stats as opposed to you using cynicism has us at 64.6 projected wins, just a tad bit off your ridiculous total of 35.

[Maddawg]

first, 43.2 isnt anywhere close to 35, and second, again i ask you to go check out the roster fielded by that tigers team that was the worst in history. Every single time you make that point it just makes you look more and more stupid and like you have no knowledge when it comes to evaluating a team. A team of nothing but replacement level players (i.e. 0 war for the entire team) is still miles ahead of 35 wins, and we dont have anything close to 0 WAR on this team.

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And fangraphs, a neutral third party who uses actual stats as opposed to you using cynicism has us at 64.6 projected wins, just a tad bit off your ridiculous total of 35.

And yet you just have to keep up the character attacks don't you LOL. You're such a petty little boy.

And you keep on saying how much talent this team has, yet 5 series down and not a single serie win yet. 43.2 win pace bro, and going to Yankee Stadium....you're the one that looks foolish.

[Nick]

Is there a way to ignore posts when two users quote each other?

[fish16]

And yet you just have to keep up the character attacks don't you LOL. You're such a petty little boy.

And you keep on saying how much talent this team has, yet 5 series down and not a single serie win yet. 43.2 win pace bro, and going to Yankee Stadium....you're the one that looks foolish.

Again, 43.2 is not close to 35, fangraphs has us at 65 and they actually use numbers instead of cynicism, and the records of the teams we've played this year to this point are: Cubs- 7-7 (better than their record), Red Sox 13-2, Phillies 9-5 with 6 in a row, Mets 12-2, and PIrates, 11-4. Additionally, we havent had our best hitter or pitcher on on already not great team. But please do continue to extrapolate out from a ridiculously small sample size against some of the best teams in the league without our best hitter and pitcher.

[Maddawg]

Again, 43.2 is not close to 35, fangraphs has us at 65 and they actually use numbers instead of cynicism, and the records of the teams we've played this year to this point are: Cubs- 7-7 (better than their record), Red Sox 13-2, Phillies 9-5 with 6 in a row, Mets 12-2, and PIrates, 11-4. Additionally, we havent had our best hitter or pitcher on on already not great team. But please do continue to extrapolate out from a ridiculously small sample size against some of the best teams in the league without our best hitter and pitcher.

43.2 is closer to 35 than 43.2 is to the number you picked. You actually think this team has Realmuto all year on it....same with Anderson, ect. Dude they are completely rudderless at this point.

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43.2 is closer to 35 than 43.2 is to the number you picked. You actually think this team has Realmuto all year on it....same with Anderson, ect. Dude they are completely rudderless at this point.

43.2 is a number based off 15 or however many games we've played thus far. And i think we'll trade off a bunch of guys. My opinion has nothing to do with us being a good team, it has to do with the fact that it is an absurd prediction that has us breaking the modern mlb loss record by 8 games when this team isnt nearly as bad as you continue to make it out to be. Saying we're gonna win around 60 games isnt saying much, you thinking we'll go 35-127 is bat shit crazy and you still have not looked at the detroit tigers roster in the year in which they did that. We're 8 games above that pace having played some of the hottest/best teams in baseball and not having our best pitcher and hitter for those games. This is my last post on the matter, but you are just going to look stupid when we beat your record by 20-25 games at least.

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again, a team with 0 war among the entire team is light years better than 35 wins. you could probably put most AAA teams in the majors and they would win more than 35 games. My point isnt that this team is good, its that your 35 win projection is dumb as hell and shows oyu are more concerned with your own cynicism than you are with actually evaluating this team