Season Super Game Thread

[fish16]

But it's already established that Brinson was "supposedly" the star player and so far it's like Brinson is a Giant Edsel.

But Marlins fans are supposed to be compliant, smiling boobs that should be grateful to have baseball at all

ya, its almost as if he's a rookie and it's less than 2 weeks into the season and they would be better off having to send him down for a month to work on things any ways for service time reasons. Youre the only one acting as if we're all just sitting here acting like this team is great and has an unbelievable future. just because others see the benefits to rebuilding and doing it the right way for a team that has been criminally mismanaged given their market for years doesnt make us blind homers, it makes us realistic to what this teams future was before the trades and knowledgable about the business of baseball and why just about every team who decides to fully rebuild does it this exact way.

[Maddawg]

oh no maddawg doesnt see what every other actual scout does seem to see. that must mean maddawg is right. Im not a blind ass homer, im a believer in rebuilding the organization using the correct process and seeing how it pans out because the process of building a team is the most important thing. Youre just whatever the opposite of a blind ass homer is, just a consistent negative presence who i have no idea why posts on this board.

Why not post here ? Just because I see the team and ownership real light they are in, I'm a negitive. Well too bad

[fish16]

Why not post here ? Just because I see the team and ownership real light they are in, I'm a negitive. Well too bad

you see everything in the single most cynical way possible. its more than just about the ownership. I went through all your posts and youve literally never posted a single positive thing. you can do whatever the fuck you want i dont really care, just dont know what you have going on in your life that this is how you decide to spend your time for something that clearly brings you no positives and you being just so woke and enlightened on the true intentions of this ownership.

[Maddawg]

you see everything in the single most cynical way possible. its more than just about the ownership. I went through all your posts and youve literally never posted a single positive thing. you can do whatever the fuck you want i dont really care, just dont know what you have going on in your life that this is how you decide to spend your time for something that clearly brings you no positives and you being just so woke and enlightened on the true intentions of this ownership.

I've become cynical because I've been watching the Marlins since 1993, its what I do, and if I am cynical its the Marlins that made me this way. It's a scam, the Sherman/Jeter ownership...they are here to flip the team next year.

[fish16]

I've become cynical because I've been watching the Marlins since 1993, its what I do, and if I am cynical its the Marlins that made me this way. It's a scam, the Sherman/Jeter ownership...they are here to flip the team next year.

lol alright then, that settles that. nothing screams smart business decision more from a billionaire than paying too much for it, stripping its assets, and then attempting to sell it the following year in hopes of making a profit.

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and from someone so cynical of the ownership, wouldnt them so clearly selling it next year be a positive for you?

[Maddawg]

ya, its almost as if he's a rookie and it's less than 2 weeks into the season and they would be better off having to send him down for a month to work on things any ways for service time reasons. Youre the only one acting as if we're all just sitting here acting like this team is great and has an unbelievable future. just because others see the benefits to rebuilding and doing it the right way for a team that has been criminally mismanaged given their market for years doesnt make us blind homers, it makes us realistic to what this teams future was before the trades and knowledgable about the business of baseball and why just about every team who decides to fully rebuild does it this exact way.

LOL I agree with what the essence of what they are doing, it's I can't take it seriously that the intent is to build a winner, when they trade away a freindly contract like Yelich, to get a bust like Brinson - the 2nd coming of Jesus accordinh to you

[fish16]

LOL I agree with what the essence of what they are doing, it's I can't take it seriously that the intent is to build a winner, when they trade away a freindly contract like Yelich, to get a bust like Brinson - the 2nd coming of Jesus accordinh to you

ive literally said nothing about brinson other than that he is a good prospect and that he should have started the year in the minors based on service time and the fact that his spring numbers showed he was going to struggle with plate discipline. Not calling him a bust after the first game of the year doesnt make him the 2nd coming of jesus. I dont think he is a star type player, i think the depth aspect of that trade was the best part of that trade given that we hopefully would acquire 3 good everyday players with 6 years of team control and a flier on a good looking arm.

Newsflash, theyll likely bust on a lot of these guys, thats just how prospects operate. I think we're at a good advantage given that we had these kinds of assets to deal to replenish the farm system in year 1 of a rebuild anyways. we'll have 2-3 years of more trades, draft picks (likely a #1 pick or 2), and actually spending money in IFA (Tjfla posted today about us in all likelihood signing one of the better IFA arms). The fact that we were even able to acquire these 5-6 top 100 type prospects before we even played a game is room for excitement, not room for bitching when inevitably not all these guys pan out.

Its about continuing to churn through talent and actually operating and doing the rebuild like the small market team we are. And btw, im not sure why youre making Brinson out to be some guy that people think is a superstar level talent. Almost no one has said that.

[flamarlins93]

Still get a chuckle thinking about all the people who believed this team would not be historically bad. I remember some thinking this team could still win 70 games. Does anyone still think that?

[AdamRavs]

Still get a chuckle thinking about all the people who believed this team would not be historically bad. I remember some thinking this team could still win 70 games. Does anyone still think that?

Does it matter how many they win? If you're not in the playoffs it doesn't matter. We knew they would be shit this season. Let these guys play out the yr and see where the chips fall.

[Maddawg]

ive literally said nothing about brinson other than that he is a good prospect and that he should have started the year in the minors based on service time and the fact that his spring numbers showed he was going to struggle with plate discipline. Not calling him a bust after the first game of the year doesnt make him the 2nd coming of jesus. I dont think he is a star type player, i think the depth aspect of that trade was the best part of that trade given that we hopefully would acquire 3 good everyday players with 6 years of team control and a flier on a good looking arm.

Newsflash, theyll likely bust on a lot of these guys, thats just how prospects operate. I think we're at a good advantage given that we had these kinds of assets to deal to replenish the farm system in year 1 of a rebuild anyways. we'll have 2-3 years of more trades, draft picks (likely a #1 pick or 2), and actually spending money in IFA (Tjfla posted today about us in all likelihood signing one of the better IFA arms). The fact that we were even able to acquire these 5-6 top 100 type prospects before we even played a game is room for excitement, not room for bitching when inevitably not all these guys pan out.

Its about continuing to churn through talent and actually operating and doing the rebuild like the small market team we are. And btw, im not sure why youre making Brinson out to be some guy that people think is a superstar level talent. Almost no one has said that.

Then why trade for him and why lose the arb year unless you expected more out of him ? They got hosed - it's a Mike Hill special.

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Still get a chuckle thinking about all the people who believed this team would not be historically bad. I remember some thinking this team could still win 70 games. Does anyone still think that?

Not me, I still think they could vie for that '62 NY Mets record.....it might be 35 wins.....it's bad, REALLY BAD.

[Namaste]

Less than zero chance they only win 35 games.

[fish16]

Then why trade for him and why lose the arb year unless you expected more out of him ? They got hosed - it's a Mike Hill special.

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Not me, I still think they could vie for that '62 NY Mets record.....it might be 35 wins.....it's bad, REALLY BAD.

Because just because a guy isnt a superstar doesnt mean its worthless to trade for him. The biggest part of that trade was the quality depth, not that they got the one superstar player. And losing the year of team control was stupid, but it appears that they will get lucky because he will get sent down soon to develop more.

lol @ 35 wins. They will still win at least 50 and likely 60-65 game.

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Less than zero chance they only win 35 games.

people need to go look at that tigers roster and see how bad it was. This team isnt that bad. Plus when straily and JT come back and they start bringing up guys like Alcantara this wont be as bad as it looks currently. Even as it looks currently this team has still been in about every single game. These guys are acting as if we're going out there and losing by 5+ runs nightly.

[lou]

Still get a chuckle thinking about all the people who believed this team would not be historically bad. I remember some thinking this team could still win 70 games. Does anyone still think that?

70 wins was and still is a pretty fair projection - assuming complete health and that they keep everyone.

Realmuto and Straily (their best position player and best pitcher) really skew that downwards at least 5 games, and Prado probably another game or two because he is not worthless and he would be taking all of Lee, Rivera, and all the ludicrous excess catcher PA. There is also presently a sample size issue because Brinson and Bour aren't going to combine to hit .160/.225./250 (.200 BABIP). But yea, with all of that happening, it becomes a 60 win pace team really quickly.

Wins and losses don't really matter much to me this year. It would be nice not to lose 100, but I'm mainly interested in:

-Anderson looks like he will turn into a longterm starter at 3B, which is fantastic
-Garcia and Steckenrider look to have taken steps forward
-Dietrich and Rojas are turning themselves into real deadline tradebait
-Not thrilled with Brinson, but if these struggles get him in AAA for 6+ weeks, that's a longterm win to get the year of control

I'd like to be able to add a positive Brinson anecdote, Urena, D. Peters, O'Grady, Ca. Smith, Richards, or whoever to that list, but it's been a dozen games. A lot of season left and hopefully a few more Anderson, Garcia, and Steckenrider positives keep happening.

[emkayseven]

anyone know why we can no longer see the amount of new posts since last visit on the top of the page like we used to?

Not sure, but I really miss this.

agreed

Posted about it here in February: http://soflamarlins.com/showthread.p...533#post388533

Basically, for years we had a "myfilestore" issue wherein visitors from outside links (google, twitter) would be redirected to the myfilestore website. Upon a second click visitors would finally be directed to our website, but most people never made that second click. It's what basically killed the traffic on this website for years. People who were already here didn't have a problem, but as some of those regulars atrophied (Ramp, Beef, even newer people like thatnewguy) we weren't getting people in to replace them.

After years (literally - every few months I'd investigate this) I finally discovered that it was the number of new posts plugin that was compromised. Almost immediately after disabling that we started getting new members (namely Lee Stone, but also there was someone else who's posted a few times) and our twitter links work now without myfilestore. I've looked for a similar plugin but I can only find the exact same plugin which I don't want to risk again since I know it's vulnerable.

Another issue compounding the problem is we're running a pretty old version of vBulletin and the upgrade costs money (and wherewithal) we don't have - we've never paid for our hosting service except for a few "donations" here and there, which saves us close to $1,000 a year, because I have a friend who graciously hosts it for us. But it also means we can't rely on him to do time-intensive things like backing up and upgrading vbulletin (which he's not an expert in, regardless). The few times in this site's history we've done those things, we have asked for small donations on here to be able to pay him.

Anyway, that's the long story of why the number of new posts doesn't exist anymore. I miss it a lot too, and I'll keep looking for a similar plugin.

[gustavopim]

Posted about it here in February: http://soflamarlins.com/showthread.p...533#post388533


(namely Lee Stone, but also there was someone else who's posted a few times)

I'm guessing that second member was me. I came in because Lee posted on fishstripes and that's the main forum that I take a look at. People there don't talk as much so i'm keeping an eye here and there.

Still get a chuckle thinking about all the people who believed this team would not be historically bad. I remember some thinking this team could still win 70 games. Does anyone still think that?

I still think that we aren't that bad. Most of our losses we where in the game and lost the lead or something else happened. Just like the last two games. I also think that we don't have our best hitter in the team and best pitcher (Straily and Realmoney) and that some guys are under performing (Brinson/Bour/Bullpen). I hope that our young starters will settle in the upcoming weeks. It's only been 11 games and we have 151 to go.