2024 Game Thread

[lou]

How many times do you have to suggest this strategy before you realize they are not doing that? You've been suggesting these creative SP inning deflecting strategies for like 4 years. They arent doing that. It's just a different version of the werth signing. Just a waste of your time.

Yes, they needed an arm before the injuries. As i've said 20 times, we all agree on that. There are now 4 injuries to 4 of your top 5 SP's, and nothing they would have done in adding an innings eater is going to overcome the fact that they are down 4/5 SP's. That is the major and much more significant issue. Michael Lorenzen's mediocre innings are not overcoming significant injuries to Garrett, Eury, and Cabrera on top of Sandy being out for the year. That is the issue here, and it's an issue that will hopefully be fixed by the end of april. Weathers, Meyer, Rogers, and Puk should hopefully calm down and give them passable starts until then, and then you have them out of the bullpen which will make all of this look much better.

Do you? Because you're saying they shouldn't sign anybody because none of it changes the bottom line to winning, where everyone else is, hey they just made the playoffs, maybe they should do something, help out the fan base, help the current roster, help the kids having more veterans around. Culture is important ultimately but it doesn't matter to you because they can't win.

[lou]

Yes, they needed innings. No, it isnt making a difference when 4 impact SP's are out. That's the point here. They are down about 10 SP WAR over a full season and you're bitching about April innings fillers. That's the issue. They also should have signed innings. Ive said that numerous times. Those 15-20 innings he might throw in April are not the bigger impact than the guys they have injured currently who give you 10 WAR+ over a full year, more if Cabrera ever gets his shit together. You're worried about maybe 20 innings when they are down close to 600 fucking great innings. There is no replacing 600 innings like that. The health is by far and away the bigger issue than the difference between Michael Lorenzen throwing those garbage innings as opposed to Declan Cronin, Gutierrez, or Enmanuel.

I don't think you have as your position is not reconciled yet. And, no I am not. I am concerned about 100+ innings *they still need* to get through the year, absent as I've said huge breakouts from someone like Guitterez, Faucher, McCaughan, etc. I am also concerned with the culture of this team being a bunch of shitbag owners who didn't do fucking anything to a group of heros who made the playoffs against all odds with their incredible luck. Their reward on the cusp of being a really good team was a shit sandwich of offseason player acquisition where payroll decreased over $15m. As a Marlins fan, it is the ultimate insult.

[Nick]

Yes, they needed innings. No, it isnt making a difference when 4 impact SP's are out. That's the point here. They are down about 10 SP WAR over a full season and you're bitching about April innings fillers. That's the issue. They also should have signed innings. Ive said that numerous times. Those 15-20 innings he might throw in April are not the bigger impact than the guys they have injured currently who give you 10 WAR+ over a full year, more if Cabrera ever gets his shit together. You're worried about maybe 20 innings when they are down close to 600 fucking great innings. There is no replacing 600 innings like that. The health is by far and away the bigger issue than the difference between Michael Lorenzen throwing those garbage innings as opposed to Declan Cronin, Gutierrez, or Enmanuel.

Gutierrez came in with a lead yesterday, and was asked to pitch 4 innings. These aren't garbage innings. This is something that will surely happen again, we've already got the revolving AAA door going, and it's only going to get worse.

[Nick]

Also, there is definitely value in competing all year and missing out on the playoffs with 79-82 wins versus punting the season and losing 100 games. It's about earning a fanbase's trust.

[rmc523]

Do you recall last season at all? We dealt with injuries to the pitching staff at all times during the season and it gets worse as the season goes on. You have a vet starter you have Weathers or Meyer going 4 innings instead of Gutierrez. Or you’re in a position at that point to not have to use the AAA pitcher you just called up for 4 innings. This isn’t rocket science.

Yup, young pitchers on innings limits, injuries, and performance issues, yet we just sign some fringe scrap heap guys and call it a day and then people are surprised when it happens? Lol

[rmc523]

Overcoming 4/5 of your rotation being out is exactly what you'd be overcoming right now. It's the same thing as overcoming april currently, as they are without 4 of their top 5 guys in april. Lorenzen, for the 10th time, is not ready. He was shit for the 2nd half last year, isnt stretched out, and just got rocked in AAA for texas. This is not the difference between 0-4 and 2-2. He's a thoroughly mediocre pitcher. If they really wanted to compete, they should have made a play for a steadying mid rotation guy impact guy like montgomery. But these 5th starter innings eaters arent making up for the impact talent they are currently missing in the rotation. They are down like 10 WAR currently in the rotation over a full season. You dont overcome that.

None of these guys are doing anything to help a team that is without 4 of their top 5 pitchers. Full stop. That is the team's biggest issue. They need Eury, Garrett, and Cabrera back. You can quibble about the fringes, and they still have a golden opportunity to add a guy like Pham and get rid of DLC's ass already, but the reason they are 0-4 is because their starting pitching was terrible. They just gave up 6, 7, 9, and 9 runs in 4 games. The major reason for that is their rotation is missing 4 out of their top 5 pieces and their situational hitting was abysmal. It's not that deep.

But if you build the floor higher in different aspects of the team, it lifts everything. If you build the pitching better, it’s less pressure on the offense and vice versa. If you build the pitching better, you don’t have to count on scrap heap pitchers that shouldn’t be here….same for the hitters.
it’s pathetic off a postseason appearance that they spend less than last year.

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Roof being open 4 games in a row has to be close to record, right?

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Max would have struck out the side if ump didn't miss called 3rd strike on Rendon

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Burger batting 3rd instead of DLC is a no brainer

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Nick Gordon. AKA "My Father"

[Nick]

This fucking team.

[Nick]

I can’t watch this shit.

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ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED, MIAMI?

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Up 5-2 in Game 1

Up 5-0 in Game 4

Up 4-0 in Game 5

THATS ENTERTAINMENT

[Nick]

Guys walked first two batters and you K wildly on ball 4.