2024 Game Thread

[lou]

If DDLS keeps hitting home runs every game in AAA he’s going to force his way up here.

This one is also mid April

[Todd]

Oddly Schomberg is one of the more interesting names got back IMO. Seems like someone who could move fast and slide into the bullpen once he moves to relief.

[lou]

Basically we’re past S2 land so the service time shifts to have .171 days of control. It’s the do you get the extra year part of the season.

Its keeping Norby down 3 weeks next year and not calling him up, and anyone who hasn’t made their MLB debt into mid April. You get a year doing that.

Norby is a no for me. Call him up when the defense figured out. It doesn’t matter. You don’t need a year on him in his 30s. Get him going.

DDLS and Ramirez I can see waiting till mid April and get the Max Meyer and Eury Perez treatment. Probably.

[Nick]

This one is also mid April

Stupid

[lou]

Stupid

I think the question is, is he so valuable you keep him down?

Eury(FV60) and Max(FV50) they did. Obvious moves to me. They also did this on the fly with Garrett once he started kicking ass on his main call up. That was opportunistic.

They did not do any manipulation with Edwards(FV45).

So where is DDLS on the scale? I think he’s probably closer to an Edwards so just call him up. Norby too. This guys probably aren’t stars and killing your arbitration and if they are good you just buy them out early.

Ramirez is the one I think they slow roll into April-June next year. If he can catch, that’s going to be worth it.

[fish16]

There is 0 reason why norby would be on the major league roster of the most talented team in baseball and in our aaa team. He can learn 3b on the fly here. Whats the difference if his glove costs us a game here or there down the stretch? Just like Edwards, he has mashed aaa pitching for two years. There is nothing left to learn. He needs the opportunity to figure it out at the major league level.

[lou]

There is 0 reason why norby would be on the major league roster of the most talented team in baseball and in our aaa team. He can learn 3b on the fly here. Whats the difference if his glove costs us a game here or there down the stretch? Just like Edwards, he has mashed aaa pitching for two years. There is nothing left to learn. He needs the opportunity to figure it out at the major league level.

They guy isn’t a major leaguer day to day and was just traded out of the only organization he has known for years. This is just dropping him onto the worst team from the best. What a mindfuck. Where’s he gonna live? Out of a bag? This is an opportunity for him with no bat competition kind of so this is good for him, but he’s human. Putting him in AAA for 2-3 weeks in a lower pressure environment isn’t a big deal to sort out the glove and some off field issues. Give him a breath. Stowers is more ready to go with a lot more big league time and no position changes ya know.

Let him bat with DDLS and call them both up in 2 weeks if they mash. Let’s get some 3B basics down.

[Nick]

There is 0 reason why norby would be on the major league roster of the most talented team in baseball and in our aaa team. He can learn 3b on the fly here. Whats the difference if his glove costs us a game here or there down the stretch? Just like Edwards, he has mashed aaa pitching for two years. There is nothing left to learn. He needs the opportunity to figure it out at the major league level.

It’s probably just to make sure he doesn’t embarrass himself. If he’s still there mid-August then I’ll get mad about it.

[lou]

Edward Cabrera is also awesome and give him a 5 year extension.

Cronin seems upset he wasn’t traded Jesus

[fish16]

Edward Cabrera is also awesome and give him a 5 year extension.

Cronin seems upset he wasn’t traded Jesus

Edward Cabrera has been horrific all year. My patience is running thin with his shit between the injuries, complete inability to control the ball, and as a result his inability to even complete 5 innings. He might eventually figure it out but you can’t sign him right now

[Namaste]

Jazz has 2 HRs tonight. 2nd one against lefty.

4 HR's in 3 games

not really fair man

[lou]

Edward Cabrera has been horrific all year. My patience is running thin with his shit between the injuries, complete inability to control the ball, and as a result his inability to even complete 5 innings. He might eventually figure it out but you can’t sign him right now

I don't know how to even respond to this as he decimated the Orioles (all inherited runners and they should have pulled him) and Rays in back to back games, 10.1 IP, 13 K, 12 base runners. He's incredible when he's healthy. Yes that is an issue, which is why it's something like a 5/$25m deal with a 6th year club option. It's weighing his arbitration amounts (which are going to be low which is why you can offer something low $20s and he has to take it as he is years from a big payday), versus upside, versus getting some free agency years (1+ option here). That's the goal - getting him past 2028 as he could be explosive. This is a potential cheap amount for absolutely tremendous top 15 SP in baseball upside as he has that repertoire if he fully clicks (See the 2023 statcast). And the floor is a not-expensive RP as that money is nothing for a good reliever. We also just saw how valuable good RP are they'd be paying him like Scott/Estevez.

Why are we bitching about something like $25m over 5 full seasons really here? They are going to have 9+ position players and 7+ arms club controlled for 3 years. Frontload him that money in 25/26. 5 inning appearances of shut down hell? Sign me up for 30 starts/5 IP for 150 innings. Be smart like the Rays and PULL these guys before they go deep. They did this with McClanahan. Bendix is going to get the pitching to how we have all wanted with shit like this with the way they are going.

As the guy who wants to make deals and extend guys before they break out - this is it. Right now. Before he rattles off 8 starts in a row like these last 2. And the floor is a reliever as the arm talent is undeniable. He can't become a Scott Kingery with this floor. I'll take the risk of negligible bucks for the huge upside.

[lou]

Jazz has 2 HRs tonight. 2nd one against lefty.

4 HR's in 3 games

not really fair man

I'm happy for him.

I hope he wins it all.

[fish16]

I don't know how to even respond to this as he decimated the Orioles (all inherited runners and they should have pulled him) and Rays in back to back games, 10.1 IP, 13 K, 12 base runners. He's incredible when he's healthy. Yes that is an issue, which is why it's something like a 5/$25m deal with a 6th year club option. It's weighing his arbitration amounts (which are going to be low which is why you can offer something low $20s and he has to take it as he is years from a big payday), versus upside, versus getting some free agency years (1+ option here). That's the goal - getting him past 2028 as he could be explosive. This is a potential cheap amount for absolutely tremendous top 15 SP in baseball upside as he has that repertoire if he fully clicks (See the 2023 statcast). And the floor is a not-expensive RP as that money is nothing for a good reliever. We also just saw how valuable good RP are they'd be paying him like Scott/Estevez.

Why are we bitching about something like $25m over 5 full seasons really here? They are going to have 9+ position players and 7+ arms club controlled for 3 years. Frontload him that money in 25/26. 5 inning appearances of shut down hell? Sign me up for 30 starts/5 IP for 150 innings. Be smart like the Rays and PULL these guys before they go deep. They did this with McClanahan. Bendix is going to get the pitching to how we have all wanted with shit like this with the way they are going.

As the guy who wants to make deals and extend guys before they break out - this is it. Right now. Before he rattles off 8 starts in a row like these last 2. And the floor is a reliever as the arm talent is undeniable. He can't become a Scott Kingery with this floor. I'll take the risk of negligible bucks for the huge upside.

Incredibly when healthy yet came into today with an era over 7 for the year and a fip of 5.79 and a -.3 war. In 236 career innings coming into today he has a war of .7. He throws really hard. He has no earthly idea where that ball is going. He will never be effective unless
the control is drastically improved. Why would he sign a 5/25? If he does sure go for it. But signing that right now makes 0 sense for him.

you sign eury way before Cabrera. Probably max Meyer as well

[lou]

Incredibly when healthy yet came into today with an era over 7 for the year and a fip of 5.79 and a -.3 war. In over 230 career innings coming into today he has a war of less than 1. He throws really hard. He has no earthly idea where that ball is going. He will never be effective unless
the control is drastically improved. Why would he sign a 5/25?

Just so you know entering today, where he kicked the Rays ass, he had a xFIP 3.92 this season. So that's going down tomorrow. It's a small sample size of 43 IP, but that's ok. Career xFIP 4.28. And it's going to tick down a few tomorrow. If that is all you get from him, he is worth every penny getting some free agency years. Go look at his 2023 statcast when he threw the most - https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb. It's Diet Blake Snell. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savan...r-pitching-mlb

As per why he would do that, Cabrera has career earnings of $2.05m. He might double that in arbitration, but a little lower. So he might have $4m bucks through 2025. Then if he's good, he might get $4-5m in 2026, and if he's still improving and doing awesome $8m in 2027. That's like him turning into Luzardo. So through 2027 if he is great like Luzardo turned out to be, he makes $17-20m. None of it is guaranteed today.

So guarantee him $25 for two more years and now, Cabrera has $27m today not $4m if he stays healthy until his arbitration hearing, and this is generational wealth. The Marlins get perhaps 2-4 epically cheaper years. That's the goal. This is what you need to do. Throw some reasonable IP incentives on there if his agent feels low.

And this is low risk with a RP floor, with an immense franchise altering ceiling. I'd take a swing on him and yes its price dependent. If he wants more, take him year to year in arb and say thank you. But I think this is a situation you can take advantage of, and also make it make sense for Cabrera.