2023 Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

do you ever get tired of making absurd proclamations based on minor league small samples? He was up here literally 2 weeks ago and was awful and his first taste up here with us was awful. he shouldnt be anywhere near this roster the rest of the year. let him work his shit out with mel in the offseason.

Absurd proclamations? I simply pointed out the obvious ... Weathers will be replacing Smeltzer. Am I a fan of Ryan Weathers? Absolutely not. It's just the situation the Marlins find themselves in.

[Lee Stone]

Their current rotation is Luzardo, Eury, Cabrera, Garrett, and Cueto. That's not ideal with Sandy out but its passable and Weathers isnt an improvement on any of those guys. He's also not "mowing down" AAA hitters. He has 5 walks in his last 10 innings. What exactly do you think has changed in the 2 weeks since he was last terrible up here in san diego? If they want a guy who can eat some innings at a decent level just bring up castano. Or go add maldonado to the 40 man and see what they have in him. They need a righty reliever. What exactly does weathers bring at this point that we dont already have. He is maybe our 8th best SP option at this point between the above 5 plus Soriano and Hoeing. We have 4 quality lefties in the pen. He brings nothing. Let him continue to develop in AAA and in the offseason and see if he can be an option next spring. Nothing has changed in 2 AAA starts.

Also, having "MLB experience" isnt exactly promising as an option to me when he has a 6.12 ERA in 150 innings in that experience.

In fairness to Weathers and the Jacksonville pitching coach, he has started four AAA games and is 3-0 with a 2.45 ERA. Cabrera, Eury, Luzardo, Garrett and Cueto are all pretty much five inning starters. Weathers strikes me as an "opener" candidate against a team like the Phillies, who have Schwarber and Harper near the top of the batting order.

[fish16]

In fairness to Weathers and the Jacksonville pitching coach, he has started four AAA games and is 3-0 with a 2.45 ERA. Cabrera, Eury, Luzardo, Garrett and Cueto are all pretty much five inning starters. Weathers strikes me as an "opener" candidate against a team like the Phillies, who have Schwarber and Harper near the top of the batting order.

i cant think of many more guys in the organization that i would want pitching to schwarber and harper less than Ryan weathers this year. lefties have an .832 OPS against him in his career and a .969 OPS against him this year

[rmc523]

Regarding the attendance figures, I've been keeping track of attendance figures for last year and this year.

I haven't updated the numbers through the Dodgers series, but prior to Tuesday's game 1, the numbers were the following:

Total attendance:

2023 - 969,820
2022 - 784,656

YOY Difference: +185,164

Average per game:

2023 - 14,055
2022 - 11,372

YOY Difference: +2,684


A 23.60% increase over last year.


So having a relevant team obviously results in an increase, and we've been on an increasing trend overall during the season (higher attendance per game as the season goes on) as well.

Obviously an even better team will keep improving.

I've always thought the market IS there, it's just the fanbase has been so abused and the team so irrelevant that people aren't going to put money into a bad product.

[fish16]

it has not helped attendance that they began to shit the bed the second the panthers and heat ended their run and have just now started to play somewhat well again just as football season is starting.

[lou]

Regarding the attendance figures, I've been keeping track of attendance figures for last year and this year.

I haven't updated the numbers through the Dodgers series, but prior to Tuesday's game 1, the numbers were the following:

Total attendance:

2023 - 969,820
2022 - 784,656

YOY Difference: +185,164

Average per game:

2023 - 14,055
2022 - 11,372

YOY Difference: +2,684


A 23.60% increase over last year.


So having a relevant team obviously results in an increase, and we've been on an increasing trend overall during the season (higher attendance per game as the season goes on) as well.

Obviously an even better team will keep improving.

I've always thought the market IS there, it's just the fanbase has been so abused and the team so irrelevant that people aren't going to put money into a bad product.

Frankly these numbers are so low, what's it look like versus 2022 if you take out the Yankees games.

[rmc523]

Frankly these numbers are so low, what's it look like versus 2022 if you take out the Yankees games.

Sure, they're still low, but you have to start somewhere. I'm viewing it in a more positive light that fans will come out if the team is worth watching, but it'll still take time to overcome the past.


Just pulling Yankees out isn't fair, as you'd still have other games to compare to vs. last year. There was a Mariners series last year that had unusually high attendance, am I just supposed to pull that out? Also, with the new balanced schedule, we're playing the Yankees every year from here out.

[fish16]

we DFA'd Smeltzer and brought up a guy named Enmanuel De Jesus, who has been awful in AAA. This is just not a serious franchise. We're in the middle of a playoff chase and we are not calling up the best potential arms for stupid 40 man roster reasons. Maldonado can help this team, he should be up here. De Jesus is just a different Smeltzer who stinks but can eat innings in a blowout. We already have hoeing and soriano up here

[Namaste]

Guess we have to root for the Cubs in this day game at Wrigley

[lou]

we DFA'd Smeltzer and brought up a guy named Enmanuel De Jesus, who has been awful in AAA. This is just not a serious franchise. We're in the middle of a playoff chase and we are not calling up the best potential arms for stupid 40 man roster reasons. Maldonado can help this team, he should be up here. De Jesus is just a different Smeltzer who stinks but can eat innings in a blowout. We already have hoeing and soriano up here

Did you do a deep dive before posting this as to what arm in AAA may have the most innings to give if they need a 4 inning mop up? How is the rest situation and health of all arms in AAA, combined with MLB availability? Is he going to be up only for 1-2 days and likely not play before another arm is available so is this just a move to have a body for an extra innings disaster? Do you know the answer to all of these questions?

[lou]

Sure, they're still low, but you have to start somewhere. I'm viewing it in a more positive light that fans will come out if the team is worth watching, but it'll still take time to overcome the past.


Just pulling Yankees out isn't fair, as you'd still have other games to compare to vs. last year. There was a Mariners series last year that had unusually high attendance, am I just supposed to pull that out? Also, with the new balanced schedule, we're playing the Yankees every year from here out.

That's fair with the balanced schedule, but the Yankees series was a special out of this world attendance event for them. I believe it was a 3 day record for the franchise in the new park.

[fish16]

Did you do a deep dive before posting this as to what arm in AAA may have the most innings to give if they need a 4 inning mop up? How is the rest situation and health of all arms in AAA, combined with MLB availability? Is he going to be up only for 1-2 days and likely not play before another arm is available so is this just a move to have a body for an extra innings disaster? Do you know the answer to all of these questions?

I know they have better options to add to the roster in the last 20+ games of the year in a playoff chase than a guy who has a 6.12 XFIP, 6.55 K/9, and a 5.42 BB/9 in AAA this year for us, had a 5.05 XFIP in AAA last year, and a 6.67 XFIP the year before in AAA. He has 58 k's and 48 walks this year with a 1.69 WHIP in 80 innings. He stinks. They have hoeing and soriano, The only guys who pitched yesterday are smeltzer who is gone, Chargois who pitched a third of an inning, and soriano who pitched 1.1 innings. Everyone else is available today, including Hoeing, Scott, Nardi, Robertson, Puk, and Okert.. How about stop trying to worry about eating innings and start worrying about getting outs from your bullpen and stocking the pen with quality arms. If they need a multi inning mop up, throw fucking stallings out there, who gives a shit. the guy isnt an MLB pitcher. He's barely a AAA pitcher.

They have Tommy Nance who has been good since he came back from injury and hasnt pitched since wednesday, Maldonado deserves a shot hasnt pitched since wednesday, Castano has pitched well and will be on normal rest by sunday,

Stop worrying about eating innings in a blowout and start worrying about getting outs from the bullpen. There are 20 fucking games left and they are half a game out and we're worried about innings in a blow out?

[Todd]

I mean the franchise has issues but I assume not caring if they lose a player if you take them off the 40 man probably matters, as well.

[Namaste]

Cubs pinch runner gets thrown out at 2B in a 1 run game in the 8th

meh, we’ll be 2 games behind the Cubs in the loss column if they don’t score in the 9th

[fish16]

I mean the franchise has issues but I assume not caring if they lose a player if you take them off the 40 man probably matters, as well.

Tommy nance is already on the 40. They can easily create space. Sixto is on there, Josh Simpson is on there, groshans is on there, Brazoban can be moved to the 60 to create a spot as can avisail Garcia. They don’t have a 40 man roster crunch