2023 Game Thread

[fish16]

i was likely wrong about the reporting of Sixto hitting 97 mph this week. Fish Stripes on Twitter seems legit.

it’s all coming together like lou predicted with the service time. So we will likely see Sixto in July?

That would be a huge development so I hope it’s true. The thing that has kept me down on sixto being back is every time you see video of him throwing it looks maybe 70% so if it’s 97 now that’s a huge step from what we’ve seen for 3 years now

[Nick]

i was likely wrong about the reporting of Sixto hitting 97 mph this week. Fish Stripes on Twitter seems legit.

it’s all coming together like lou predicted with the service time. So we will likely see Sixto in July?

Obviously the organization knows better than me what's going on with him, but seems to me making him a reliever to try and keep him healthy seems like the path that makes the most sense. A Sixto-Puk combo in coming years at the back of the bullpen sounds pretty fucking sick.

Also, haven't heard much talk about him, but Floro has looked fantastic.

[lou]

i was likely wrong about the reporting of Sixto hitting 97 mph this week. Fish Stripes on Twitter seems legit.

it’s all coming together like lou predicted with the service time. So we will likely see Sixto in July?

Last 68 days of the season would be the absolute max to preserve a year. So July 26th, Weds. 1:10pm, @ Tampa. About 7,000 people will be there for that one. They set Cabrera and Garrett though for 168 service days (above is 171 days, a full year is 172) to shave a few days to probably deflect against a grievance, so that's looking like not throwing Sixto to the wolves in Tampa. So maybe that home Detroit series July 28-30 is the probable call up assuming he is healthy. Would be a good Sat/Sun home environment, etc.


But what I would do is assume the Marlins FO engages in maximum shenanigans. I'm going to say a spot start/appearance before the ASB the last game or two July 8th/9th, sending him down immediately and then calling him back up for the Detroit series. Basically manufacturing an extra start with a 1 day call-up and using the excuse of the ASB to "keep him on schedule." Based on what they did to Garrett, I predict max shenanigans assuming Sixto is healthy. Fun service time games to get an extra start in there. Assuming he is in fact healthy of course.

[lou]

Obviously the organization knows better than me what's going on with him, but seems to me making him a reliever to try and keep him healthy seems like the path that makes the most sense. A Sixto-Puk combo in coming years at the back of the bullpen sounds pretty fucking sick.

Also, haven't heard much talk about him, but Floro has looked fantastic.

I agree with you, but to quib on Sixto, I'd say it's a bulk reliever over 2-3+ IP appearances every 4 days. Keep him on schedule somewhat, and a little stretched out throwing at least 50 pitches, and literally not ever use him back to back this year, etc. He's been gone awhile so he really just needs to throw to get back his control, etc. I'm not even sure he'll make it to the bigs, but that would be really nice if he can craft at minimum a bulk reliever role. Hopefully the dude is just healthy.

[Nick]

I agree with you, but to quib on Sixto, I'd say it's a bulk reliever over 2-3+ IP appearances every 4 days. Keep him on schedule somewhat, and a little stretched out throwing at least 50 pitches, and literally not ever use him back to back this year, etc. He's been gone awhile so he really just needs to throw to get back his control, etc. I'm not even sure he'll make it to the bigs, but that would be really nice if he can craft at minimum a bulk reliever role. Hopefully the dude is just healthy.

I don't think this bulk reliever thing is something that's in their vocabulary. Until they actually do it, I'm going to assume that's just not in the works. Their idea of a bulk reliever is a long reliever who is a starter we just called up from AAA who pitches when we're down 5+.

[lou]

Also, haven't heard much talk about him, but Floro has looked fantastic.

Oh and yes, But he does have a strange FIP of 2.12 and xFIP of 4.26. We'll see. I'll take splitting that difference all day though.

I'd say Puk, Floro, Nardi (xFIP 4.00), Chargois, and can't believe it Brazovan (xFIP 3.22) have been pretty solid. They may be in business here as I imagine Scott, Barnes, and Okert all settle in, and then why is Smeltzer's contract guaranteed. They may have no # 1 bullpen ace, but this might be a pretty good group and depth if Nance, Enright, and Sixto do make it back this year. Maybe even Soriano is a perfect optionable guy.

[lou]

I don't think this bulk reliever thing is something that's in their vocabulary. Until they actually do it, I'm going to assume that's just not in the works. Their idea of a bulk reliever is a long reliever who is a starter we just called up from AAA who pitches when we're down 5+.

Maybe, but we've seen some very long (3 IP) bullpen outings from Garrett, Brazoban, and Soriano so far. That is kind of a new development for them, but I agree with you let's see that come directly after a 3.2 IP Cabrera walk special and they bridge into the 7th inning. I think it'll be a huge development to their thinking, and effectively, Garrett is the guinea pig once Cueto is back so we'll see.

[fish16]

regardless of when sixto gets back and what role they put him back in, the biggest sign for him to me was when he showed up 50 pounds lighter in spring training. Obviously some of the shoulder injuries might be out of his control, but the things he could control like his work ethic didnt seem to be there the last few years when rehabbing. Showing up skinny showed a maturity that he hadnt displayed since he got here, so hopefully that continues.

The maturity is the reason im about done with sanchez. There are some things you cant control in life, but you can control your work ethic and attitude, and the stories coming out of the team about him last year and some of the stuff he's done this year (he was wearing part of the wrong uniform the 2nd game of the year) shows he doesnt have the maturity (yet). I'd deal him, see if you can poach a reliever from a team, and bring up burdick. Maybe the trade will give sanchez a kick in the ass that he needs.

[rmc523]

regardless of when sixto gets back and what role they put him back in, the biggest sign for him to me was when he showed up 50 pounds lighter in spring training. Obviously some of the shoulder injuries might be out of his control, but the things he could control like his work ethic didnt seem to be there the last few years when rehabbing. Showing up skinny showed a maturity that he hadnt displayed since he got here, so hopefully that continues.

The maturity is the reason im about done with sanchez. There are some things you cant control in life, but you can control your work ethic and attitude, and the stories coming out of the team about him last year and some of the stuff he's done this year (he was wearing part of the wrong uniform the 2nd game of the year) shows he doesnt have the maturity (yet). I'd deal him, see if you can poach a reliever from a team, and bring up burdick. Maybe the trade will give sanchez a kick in the ass that he needs.

It certainly represents a change in attitude. Hopefully it results in....well....results lol.

[Namaste]

Fangraphs doesn’t give a shit that we had a really tough schedule out of the gate:

[Namaste]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/fangraph...h-30-april-16/

[lou]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/fangraph...h-30-april-16/

Yea but at best, what are we moving them 2-3 spots up?


Is this fair?

Great - Arraez, Cooper, Luzardo
Solid - Soler, DLC, Berti, Sandy, Garrett, Chargois, Floro, Rogers, Brazoban, Puk
Completely Whatever - Yuli, Nardi, Barnes
Bad - Jazz, Cabrera, Scott
Holy shit bad - Segura, Garcia, Catchers, Sanchez, Smeltzer


It's frankly 4-5 dead lineup spots a night so far and half the bullpen is underwhelming. I think it's obvious we are all taking Sandy, Jazz, Cabrera, Segura, and at least 1 catcher and reliever to move up the ranks here so they are probably under achieving a little, but even if we do the mental gymnastics of throwing out the 11-1 Minnesota game and 15-3 Phillies disaster, it's still a -4 differential the other 14 games. And being 8-6 in those games (4-0 one run) is not sustainable. So even with a gargantuan hedge, they haven't been good.

But, none of this matters as it happened and they are navigating it. If you told me they'd open 13-13 with this early schedule, I'd be encouraged. 3 more series to go (SF, @Clev, @ATL).

[sports24/7]

I do think everyone in the big league rotation should be off the table other than Garrett. Everyone else has proven they have the stuff to dominate at the big league level and is cheap, plus they have the high end minor league talent to get what ever guy they want. Garrett is a solid piece and we hit on that pick, but realistically he is not more than a 4, so if you can get something for him I wouldn’t mind it. If they want the high end piece, eury can get it done. If they want a piece just under that level, the meyers/ Eder/ Fulton level should be able to get it done. I would be very hesitant to deal anyone in the current rotation. Obviously sandy and luzardo are off limits, so really we are talking about Cabrera, and I think his stuff is too ridiculous to trade, at least at this point. I think he will figure out the command soon, and when he does he will be unhittable. Hell, he’s kind of unhittable right now, it’s just the command that’s holding him back from really taking off yet

You have to give to get. You can probably get something decent for a package that doesn't include a non-Garrett rotation piece, if you're emptying the rest of the system not named Eury, but you're not going to get anything great for that, probably. It would hurt to give up a Cabrera or Rogers, but if it doesn't hurt a little bit, you're probably not getting a very good return. The Marlins have plenty of pitching in the system. If they're going to add a legitimate bat, their choice is some kind of prospect trade like the Jazz/Gallen deal (which are very rare), or they're going to have to deal from their position of strength.

[Namaste]

Yea but at best, what are we moving them 2-3 spots up?


Is this fair?

Great - Arraez, Cooper, Luzardo
Solid - Soler, DLC, Berti, Sandy, Garrett, Chargois, Floro, Rogers, Brazoban, Puk
Completely Whatever - Yuli, Nardi, Barnes
Bad - Jazz, Cabrera, Scott
Holy shit bad - Segura, Garcia, Catchers, Sanchez, Smeltzer


It's frankly 4-5 dead lineup spots a night so far and half the bullpen is underwhelming. I think it's obvious we are all taking Sandy, Jazz, Cabrera, Segura, and at least 1 catcher and reliever to move up the ranks here so they are probably under achieving a little, but even if we do the mental gymnastics of throwing out the 11-1 Minnesota game and 15-3 Phillies disaster, it's still a -4 differential the other 14 games. And being 8-6 in those games (4-0 one run) is not sustainable. So even with a gargantuan hedge, they haven't been good.

But, none of this matters as it happened and they are navigating it. If you told me they'd open 13-13 with this early schedule, I'd be encouraged. 3 more series to go (SF, @Clev, @ATL).

My comment was more directed at the fact that Fangraphs has the Angels ranked 2 tiers higher than us and the Pirates and DBacks ranked 1 tier higher than us. None of those teams are clearly better than the Marlins this year.

[Namaste]

Yea but at best, what are we moving them 2-3 spots up?


Is this fair?

Great - Arraez, Cooper, Luzardo
Solid - Soler, DLC, Berti, Sandy, Garrett, Chargois, Floro, Rogers, Brazoban, Puk
Completely Whatever - Yuli, Nardi, Barnes
Bad - Jazz, Cabrera, Scott
Holy shit bad - Segura, Garcia, Catchers, Sanchez, Smeltzer
.

I get that you’re evaluating actual production but guess who’s Barrel % is 28.6, Hard Hit % is 64.3, Average Exit Velocity is 98.4 mph and xWOBA is .353?

Hint: fish16’s head will explode