2023 Game Thread

[Namaste]

Sandy’s ERA is 5.79 and his FIP is 3.85

[sports24/7]

The schedule really eases up in about 10 days for 2 months versus what happens July-end of season. They are going to need to pad the scoreboard so to speak now. So I'd hope that answer is 2-4 weeks and they are still .500 with the pitcher's showing this kind of upside. Larger question - what can they even trade right now that'll bring back an impact player if you take the current MLB staff and Eury off the table? Eder seems banged up (always). I don't think they will move Berry, Watson, Cappe, and Mack personally as they have too much invested in them via draft picks and scouting pedigree for Cappe. Are we looking at Fulton as the primary piece (as Meyer is also hurt in addition to Eder and that's difficult for someone to take on?) or maybe I am wrong and they throw in Watson or Cappe and someone really believes in them. And even a larger question, who has a SS to trade? It's hard to see the guys coming up for FA soon (Adames, Kim, Rosario) being moved as those teams aren't giving up. Yankees would want a ton for Peraza, etc. I feel that comes first, and they can get some sort of 1B/OF/DH bat later in June/July if needed.

Side note - You know what sucks, the Angels 1st round pick in 2022 (Zach Neto) was called up and is going to be their starting SS it seems quickly. Expectations have to be low for such an aggressive move, but that's the kind of thing the Marlins really could use right now.

I'm not sure the current staff should be off the table for the right player. But other than Fulton, I'm not sure Eder being banged up takes him out of the equation, and I think even though he's rehabbing, Meyer is still a chip. I also don't think the Marlins can necessarily afford to not make Cappe available, and maybe someone likes Watson's upside.

[fish16]

I'm not sure the current staff should be off the table for the right player. But other than Fulton, I'm not sure Eder being banged up takes him out of the equation, and I think even though he's rehabbing, Meyer is still a chip. I also don't think the Marlins can necessarily afford to not make Cappe available, and maybe someone likes Watson's upside.

I do think everyone in the big league rotation should be off the table other than Garrett. Everyone else has proven they have the stuff to dominate at the big league level and is cheap, plus they have the high end minor league talent to get what ever guy they want. Garrett is a solid piece and we hit on that pick, but realistically he is not more than a 4, so if you can get something for him I wouldn’t mind it. If they want the high end piece, eury can get it done. If they want a piece just under that level, the meyers/ Eder/ Fulton level should be able to get it done. I would be very hesitant to deal anyone in the current rotation. Obviously sandy and luzardo are off limits, so really we are talking about Cabrera, and I think his stuff is too ridiculous to trade, at least at this point. I think he will figure out the command soon, and when he does he will be unhittable. Hell, he’s kind of unhittable right now, it’s just the command that’s holding him back from really taking off yet

[rmc523]

Gotcha.

Yes it is symbolic, but it has the potential to create off the field issues IMO. I think Jazz or Arraez getting a larger deal wouldn't cause a stir..... but Luzardo? After Sandy just won the cy young? Basically, it's just another reason to sign Luzardo now as if he drops a 4 WAR season this year, he's going to definitely be more expensive than Sandy based on that Webb comp. It's just a win-win-win-win to do this now for me. Maybe my feelings are wrong on Luzardo, but I would plant my flag in him being awesome. I'd bet on him before Jazz right now TBH. And the expected contract wouldn't be outrageous even if he gets hurt again and just becomes a high leverage reliever. Basically low risk today IMO. I feel he'd be very open to a deal with his arm troubles, but maybe he bets on himself this year like Ozuna did when he turned down his extension, etc.

So they're just not supposed to extend anyone else ever because Sandy might get upset?

[rmc523]

Between that and the thing where they barely acknowledge that we won 2 titles, it’s just not recognizing the fan base and the market down here

I guess everyone forgot since the last one was 20 years ago haha

[lou]

So they're just not supposed to extend anyone else ever because Sandy might get upset?

That's taking something as an absolute and to a silly extreme. How about just signing guys at appropriate times? Which is right now for Luzardo.

[lou]

I'm not sure the current staff should be off the table for the right player. But other than Fulton, I'm not sure Eder being banged up takes him out of the equation, and I think even though he's rehabbing, Meyer is still a chip. I also don't think the Marlins can necessarily afford to not make Cappe available, and maybe someone likes Watson's upside.

You're right about they can't necessarily afford to not make them available, but they are pretty trigger shy so I'm just projecting here I think they will try and find diamond trades like Bleday, Yimi, and Bass/Pop and just hope for the best, etc. I still think they have next year circled (today anyways) because Meyer, Eder, Eury, Fulton, Bender, and maybe Berry will be around next year and they lose nothing they can't replace this season.

I suppose the best case scenario is Cueto does get healthy, Garrett looks good, and someone from Sixto, Smeltzer, Castano, Eury, Eder, and even Fulton looks like a combined solid "6th" SP and that opens the door to move Rogers or Cabrera for a big one, etc. Who knows who will be available. I just scanned the bad teams (As, Royals, Reds, Pirates, etc.) and they don't really have the SS the Marlins need

[lou]

Sandy’s ERA is 5.79 and his FIP is 3.85

Yes, I'm at a 0 level of concern here. FG updated his FIP to 3.49 also. He was never going to repeat last year.

[fish16]

Pablo signed a 4 year 73 million deal. With our pitching and his injury history, I’m glad that wasn’t us. Arraez is better for us

[Nick]

Pablo signed a 4 year 73 million deal. With our pitching and his injury history, I’m glad that wasn’t us. Arraez is better for us

But we better fucking re-sign Arraez.

Thank God that other team is acting like a real organization and not us.

[fish16]

But we better fucking re-sign Arraez.

Thank God that other team is acting like a real organization and not us.

Absolutely. But Arraez also has a full year more of team control so the twins are essentially doing the equivalent of us signing Arraez next year. But they should sign him immediately, I think we all agree on that.

[lou]

But we better fucking re-sign Arraez.

Thank God that other team is acting like a real organization and not us.

That's a good deal for Pablo effectively 2 years from FA. I was thinking it was going to be like 5/$90, but the Twins did it *NOW* so they got out of that extra year.

Grumble, grumble, see last posts for months about Luzardo and Arraez extensions, and maybe Jazz if you believe his hit/whiff tool isn't that volatile and he'll manage CF, etc.

[lou]

Absolutely. But Arraez also has a full year more of team control so the twins are essentially doing the equivalent of us signing Arraez next year. But they should sign him immediately, I think we all agree on that.

Yes because Arraez is already making more than Pablo as a super 2, plus hitters scale more in arbitration plus accolades which impress arbitrators (batting champ). They need to do it now or it'll cost them probably $20M+ at the end of the year.

[lou]

DLC 3 for 4!

Don't poke the bear. Also food for thought for the D-Back series. Hardest hit balls for the Marlins:

DLC 109.5 <- Single, Expected BA .640
Sanchez 109.3
Soler 107.8
DLC 107.8 <- Single, Expected BA .740
DLC 106.3 <- Single, Expected BA .830
DLC 106.1 <- Single, Expected BA .620
Jazz 105.9
DLC 105.8 < - Out, Expected BA .800
(And his fifth hit which wasn't a screamer had an expected BA of .950 so wasn't a lucky hit)

And if you add the D-Backs, he would have 5/19 of the hardest hit balls for the series, with C. Walker and Carroll each having 4 a piece. So DLC pretty much hit the ball the hardest of all players for the entire series or at minimum, similar to Walker and Carroll who are each very good players. SSS for sure, but he had a very good series and if anything, was unlucky to not have an XBH hit in there. Hopefully that keeps up as they really really need him after the front 4. He's going to be pretty good at a 25% whiff rate.

I agree with Fish16's other post Sanchez looks whatever, so Burdick should be called up. They should go hard DLC-Jazz-Whoever is hot moving forward.


And a footnote which I really hope is a SSS as if they fixed his swing that quickly and easily, fuck all of us:

Bleday, 69 PA (15 G - AAA), .283/.377/.550, 13% BB, 15.9%(!!!!!!) K, .304 BABIP (!!!!!), 3 HR

[Namaste]

i was likely wrong about the reporting of Sixto hitting 97 mph this week. Fish Stripes on Twitter seems legit.

it’s all coming together like lou predicted with the service time. So we will likely see Sixto in July?