2023 Game Thread

[lou]

Also to add Marlins a bottom 5 defensive team arguably, with DLC, Soler, Arraez, Sanchez (sad), and Segura all not looking great.

Jazz is really going to help the OF defense when he is back and they do need that every day IF upgrade both offensively and defensively. I think this works out if they target the right guys. i.e. Kim and Candelario are huge upgrades if they can get guys like them

[rmc523]

I don't think they play .500 ball here on out without some big additions. Which they have the juice to do.

I agree with Nick and Lee here. This team doesn't add up and needs help. It's embarrassing it hasn't happened yet, but at the same time, I don't think it really cost them (thanks Jordan Hicks and others!) so their inaction hasn't cost them yet.

That extra wild card has teams staying in it longer than they otherwise would as far as selling goes.

I'd have liked to see moves already too, but if sellers aren't selling....

[lou]

That extra wild card has teams staying in it longer than they otherwise would as far as selling goes.

I'd have liked to see moves already too, but if sellers aren't selling....

I mean hence looking at the Rocks (McMahon, E. Diaz, Grichuk), Nats (Candelario, Thomas, Harvey, Corbin), and spare parts on the Royals (already moved one). They've been toast for months.

Maybe they are thinking bigger fish than the Rocks/Nats guys (Snell really comes to mind for me). As Perez isn't that great anymore and makes A LOT of money.

[Erick]

I mean hence looking at the Rocks (McMahon, E. Diaz, Grichuk), Nats (Candelario, Thomas, Harvey, Corbin), and spare parts on the Royals (already moved one). They've been toast for months.

Maybe they are thinking bigger fish than the Rocks/Nats guys (Snell really comes to mind for me). As Perez isn't that great anymore and makes A LOT of money.

Regarding the Rockies, they are a known weird team when it comes to letting go of their players.

This is the same organization that gave Daniel Bard a contract extension at this time last year.

They are the worst run team in baseball, and, arguably, all of sports.

I’m also not sure the Royals have anything intriguing for us.

The Cardinals are an interesting team, but, again, with so many buyers, these sellers aren’t just going to take the first offer.

[sports24/7]

The Cardinals team president in an interview said “we’re going to trade people”. So there’s that.

[fish16]

Jordan Montgomery would be the perfect rotation addition. Free agent to be, only on a 10 million contract so it’s not unrealistic for Sherman to take on the balance of his deal, maybe you can throw in Gallegos even though his numbers don’t look great. Eder and Watson or something led by Eder? I would like to definitely keep Meyer at the deadline. I think he’s going to be really good and I think there is an outside chance he helps the team as a bullpen arm this year

[fish16]

Mish says they have no problem taking on money at the deadline, but it likely won’t be long term money. Look at soon to be free agents and maybe guys with 1 more year after this year. Been saying that’s what they will do for a while

[Lee Stone]

Jordan Montgomery would be the perfect rotation addition. Free agent to be, only on a 10 million contract so it’s not unrealistic for Sherman to take on the balance of his deal, maybe you can throw in Gallegos even though his numbers don’t look great. Eder and Watson or something led by Eder? I would like to definitely keep Meyer at the deadline. I think he’s going to be really good and I think there is an outside chance he helps the team as a bullpen arm this year

I prefer to hope that Eder will be ready for the rotation after another couple starts in AA/AAA

[fish16]

I prefer to hope that Eder will be ready for the rotation after another couple starts in AA/AAA

Eder isn’t close to being ready to take a spot in a major league rotation for a team needing innings and immediate production in a stretch run. You do this with every single prospect and never take any stock into how consistently wrong you are on the prospects you fall in love with

[lou]

The Cardinals team president in an interview said “we’re going to trade people”. So there’s that.

They are a perfect partner for the Marlins. BTW Cardinals fans are souring on WALKER because his defense is terrible, worse than DLC terrible, and having a moderately bumpy start. They want to trade Walker and their rental guys for EURY to really add oomph to their pitching situation. Just for some perspective on what their fan thinks of the Marlins. It's also not an insulting idea on their end as Walker may be a star hitter and it gets the Marlins immediate upgrades compared to the low contributions Eury will make here on out, but it's a no with what Eury showed for me absent something else really interesting coming back.

You could do some one stop shopping with them though - Edman, DeJong, Flaherty (think they would want a right hander over Montgomery). Edman can play literally everywhere and DeJong is showing plus plus defense at SS with an .870 OPS vs LHP. Edman is controlled 24 and 25 and DeJong has a club option for $12.5 if they think he holds up. Edman is perfect for a few years. Cardinals top prospect is a SS so that turnover is coming.

Something like Eder, Cappe/Watson, Fulton/Monteverde/Miller, Fitterer, and some other outside top 25 bullpen project arm gets that done quick IMO. I think they'd be pretty happy turning those guys into that, and having Montgomery, Goldschmidt, and others to get more pitching.


Fortes, Stallings
Arraez, Cooper
Edman
DeJong, Wendle
Berti, Segura
DLC
Jazz
Sanchez, Soler
(Myers and Edwards AAA)

Sandy, Eury, Cabrera, Flaherty
Luzardo, Garrett, Rogers
Floro, Chargois
Puk, Scott, Okert, Nardi
(Hoeing and Brazoban AAA)


That team is awesome, with a little room for improvement with a catcher upgrade and if Rogers is in fact out until September, they could add a RHP reliever at the deadline and Rogers could just come up for expanded rosters and not lose the roster spot. Adding Rogers, Brazoban, and Myers back September 1st, etc.

I'd be pumped for once.

[lou]

I prefer to hope that Eder will be ready for the rotation after another couple starts in AA/AAA

Jake has thrown 94 professional innings. I like him too, but he needs likely a bit more than that.

[Erick]

They are a perfect partner for the Marlins. BTW Cardinals fans are souring on WALKER because his defense is terrible, worse than DLC terrible, and having a moderately bumpy start. They want to trade Walker and their rental guys for EURY to really add oomph to their pitching situation. Just for some perspective on what their fan thinks of the Marlins. It's also not an insulting idea on their end as Walker may be a star hitter and it gets the Marlins immediate upgrades compared to the low contributions Eury will make here on out, but it's a no with what Eury showed for me absent something else really interesting coming back.

You could do some one stop shopping with them though - Edman, DeJong, Flaherty (think they would want a right hander over Montgomery). Edman can play literally everywhere and DeJong is showing plus plus defense at SS with an .870 OPS vs LHP. Edman is controlled 24 and 25 and DeJong has a club option for $12.5 if they think he holds up. Edman is perfect for a few years. Cardinals top prospect is a SS so that turnover is coming.

Something like Eder, Cappe/Watson, Fulton/Monteverde/Miller, Fitterer, and some other outside top 25 bullpen project arm gets that done quick IMO. I think they'd be pretty happy turning those guys into that, and having Montgomery, Goldschmidt, and others to get more pitching.


Fortes, Stallings
Arraez, Cooper
Edman
DeJong, Wendle
Berti, Segura
DLC
Jazz
Sanchez, Soler
(Myers and Edwards AAA)

Sandy, Eury, Cabrera, Flaherty
Luzardo, Garrett, Rogers
Floro, Chargois
Puk, Scott, Okert, Nardi
(Hoeing and Brazoban AAA)


That team is awesome, with a little room for improvement with a catcher upgrade and if Rogers is in fact out until September, they could add a RHP reliever at the deadline and Rogers could just come up for expanded rosters and not lose the roster spot. Adding Rogers, Brazoban, and Myers back September 1st, etc.

I'd be pumped for once.

I feel like Brendan Donovan could be interesting too. They have a surplus of position players.

[Lee Stone]

[QUOTE=fish16;n585931]

Eder isn’t close to being ready to take a spot in a major league rotation for a team needing innings and immediate production in a stretch run. You do this with every single prospect and never take any stock into how consistently wrong you are on the prospects you fall in love with [/QUOte

Yeah, Myers and Edwards will never play in the majors. Neither will Monteverde - at least not for another week or two. And, as I recall, I was touting Jazz Chisholm for the Marlins six months before he even joined Miami.

Edman and DeJong? They are a big part of why the Cardinals suck. Both have barely a .300 OBP.

[lou]

I feel like Brendan Donovan could be interesting too. They have a surplus of position players.

Absolutely. Any infielder that can play nearly every day

[lou]

[QUOTE=Lee Stone;n585935]

Eder isn’t close to being ready to take a spot in a major league rotation for a team needing innings and immediate production in a stretch run. You do this with every single prospect and never take any stock into how consistently wrong you are on the prospects you fall in love with [/QUOte

Yeah, Myers and Edwards will never play in the majors. Neither will Monteverde - at least not for another week or two. And, as I recall, I was touting Jazz Chisholm for the Marlins six months before he even joined Miami.

Edman and DeJong? They are a big part of why the Cardinals suck. Both have barely a .300 OBP.

Edman had a 5.7 WAR last year, 2.8 the year before, 1.0 in the covid year in 55 games, and 3.8 in 92 games his rookie year. He has a .264 BABIP this year well below his career average and has been hurt, but still putting up respectable numbers. He's a 3.9 WAR per 600 PA for his career and 28 years old. This is better than Arraez and Jazz for their careers, and he's played more. He would be that kind of impact with a huge defensive floor. DeJong is a premium defender that hits for a little pop. Perfect for a Wendle platoon with how he can hit lefties a bit and he does have options do if they think he continues to hit, he is also a keeper for at least another year. I do know the Marlins need offense, but beggars can't be choosers and production is production. The Marlins are cheap so it is being crafty finding value. They are also a bottom defensive team in the league, so getting these two would impact more than the average club, meaning there may be less interest in them so the Marlins may have less competition. Donovan (a better OBP) is also perfect but he has way more control so that becomes harder to trade for as it costs more. Practically though, the Cardinals don't need them both.

If I were them, I'd do this. One of Donovan/Edman is easily expendable.

Contreras, Knizner/Herrera
Gorman, Walker(DH)
Donovan/Edman
Winn, _______
Arenado
Nootbar
Carlson, _____/others in system
______, Burleson/others in system

To note, they also drafted a college OF with their 1st rounder who I imagine they hope is a fast mover. You can see the vision already they are going to blow out their team for pitching and target 1 year stopgap "Duvall" and " Wendle" types to fill this out as they work in the young SS and OF. This is a good core and they will have money on top of this for sure. It would make sense to keep both Donovan and Edman I may add, but they really need a lot of pitching so I think they would move one given Gorman could slide to 2B if Walker ends up at 1B.


Cardinals are also bad as they are 9-19 in 1 run games and have given up the 4th most runs in the national league because they cannot pitch. I also don't think anyone is surprised Edwards has been up this year being on the 40 man, and Myers is a success story also 40 man required so why not? Monteverde is a different beast with his protection window as discussed, but maybe they think they have to contend and are willing to lose a Fitterer or Soriano or Reynolds in the offseason to use him now which is what would happen. Of course, maybe they are about to trade out a lot of those 40 man eligible RHP arms that are fringe relievers so the numbers game makes more sense.


Big picture, we could only be so lucky if they did a trade like this, but there are other options out there for sure. What's Bruce gonna allow?