2023 Game Thread

[Nick]

Groshans is a bust, I'm saying it right now. We're not getting anything out of him.

[Nick]

Xavier Edwards is a better player than Joey Wendle, Jon Berti, Garrett Hampson right now. Like I said yesterday I want him in CF almost every day til Jazz comes back, hopefully he proves I'm right by then and transitions to everyday SS.

[lou]

Xavier Edwards is a better player than Joey Wendle, Jon Berti, Garrett Hampson right now. Like I said yesterday I want him in CF almost every day til Jazz comes back, hopefully he proves I'm right by then and transitions to everyday SS.

That would certainly be something. Effectively though, he is multi-position potential longterm if he works out so any kind of more than a rental 3B may work right now to reshuffle the deck. Edwards as a starting/platoon 2B or the next Berti are both great results for him and could work around any other play-now IF they do acquire.

I'll stop as that was a big post above, but they should be all over Moncada right now with a floundering White Sox team, and then monitor the OF market for a good deal as Jazz, Sanchez, and Garcia all hurt at the same time is a lot.

[Nick]

That would certainly be something. Effectively though, he is multi-position potential longterm if he works out so any kind of more than a rental 3B may work right now to reshuffle the deck. Edwards as a starting/platoon 2B or the next Berti are both great results for him and could work around any other play-now IF they do acquire.

I'll stop as that was a big post above, but they should be all over Moncada right now with a floundering White Sox team, and then monitor the OF market for a good deal as Jazz, Sanchez, and Garcia all hurt at the same time is a lot.

Also not saying he's going to be great right from the get go, but more a statement on how bad our SS's are right now.

[Lee Stone]

No need to qualify Nunez move to majors because:

1) speed, defense and patience at the plate play at any level.
2) seems like most guys who do well in AA do even better at AAA.
3) he's better than Wendle and is a switch-hitter too.

Edwards is kind of impressive. 19 walks and only 10 whiffs at Jacksonville?

[lou]

Since his call up last September, DLC is now

251 PA, .328/.364/.556, 5.3% BB, 26.3% K, with a .411 BABIP, below average base running (but good sprint speeds), and below average fielding (same good sprint speeds and plus arm strength). His exit velocity during all of this is 91.7 mph, or 93rd percentile based on the 2022 season. The BABIP blows away everyone with similar PA (highest in league among a 200+ PA sample size), but Judge (.395) and Marsh (.388) are close. They too hit the ball hard and Marsh is fast on top of that (Judge more league average). 42nd(T) most productive position player during this time.

This year so far is 157 PA, .293/.331/.463, 5.7% BB, 29.3% K, with a .392 BABIP. Same not so great base running and defense. Very small SS on splits but .920 vs LHP / .764 vs RHP this year. That's reverse from his career where he's been 50+ points better against RHP.

This BABIP always normalizes, but it's starting to get very hard to not see him as a floor .270/.300/.450 kind of guy with .300/.330/.520 type upside if he gets the whiffs under control. You'd like to think he could become an average runner and defender with his speed and plus arm strength.

Just saying here, we need a lot more of a sample with this guy to see what those numbers look like once we see how far the BABIP drops, what happens to the whiffs, does more contact average it all out with the hard hit rates, what are his real platoon splits (if any), and do the tools translate to a more neutral defensive/base running profile eventually. He's just a different guy then his call up and Marlins fanship aside, is one of the more fascinating guys in baseball for me because nothing and everything make sense for him at the same time.

I'm encouraged. He's certainly not this .920 OPS behemoth like this last 251 PA, but there is likely going to be some growth here from his career .758 OPS (731 PA). Hopefully for us it is 50-75 OPS points and becoming more neutral in the field.

[lou]

No need to qualify Nunez move to majors because:

1) speed, defense and patience at the plate play at any level.
2) seems like most guys who do well in AA do even better at AAA.
3) he's better than Wendle and is a switch-hitter too.

Edwards is kind of impressive. 19 walks and only 10 whiffs at Jacksonville?

Yea but that "patience" goes away when MLB pitchers pound the zone because he can't hit the ball out of the infield. And I would say most guys in AA fail in AAA because most don't make the majors still. Wendle's had a very good career and been hurt this year. I find it hard Nasim would come in today and be better.

Edwards is a former FV50 guy just a year ago who scuffled a bit. Maybe there is a little Juan Pierre batting profile hiding in there. He's probably a good player if he can hit .275/.325/.350 with his speed and defense. Sounds like someone else on the current team.

[Nick]

Wendle's had about a .600 OPS since returning from injury last year.

[Namaste]

Since his call up last September, DLC is now

251 PA, .328/.364/.556, 5.3% BB, 26.3% K, with a .411 BABIP, below average base running (but good sprint speeds), and below average fielding (same good sprint speeds and plus arm strength). His exit velocity during all of this is 91.7 mph, or 93rd percentile based on the 2022 season. The BABIP blows away everyone with similar PA (highest in league among a 200+ PA sample size), but Judge (.395) and Marsh (.388) are close. They too hit the ball hard and Marsh is fast on top of that (Judge more league average). 42nd(T) most productive position player during this time.

This year so far is 157 PA, .293/.331/.463, 5.7% BB, 29.3% K, with a .392 BABIP. Same not so great base running and defense. Very small SS on splits but .920 vs LHP / .764 vs RHP this year. That's reverse from his career where he's been 50+ points better against RHP.

This BABIP always normalizes, but it's starting to get very hard to not see him as a floor .270/.300/.450 kind of guy with .300/.330/.520 type upside if he gets the whiffs under control. You'd like to think he could become an average runner and defender with his speed and plus arm strength.

Just saying here, we need a lot more of a sample with this guy to see what those numbers look like once we see how far the BABIP drops, what happens to the whiffs, does more contact average it all out with the hard hit rates, what are his real platoon splits (if any), and do the tools translate to a more neutral defensive/base running profile eventually. He's just a different guy then his call up and Marlins fanship aside, is one of the more fascinating guys in baseball for me because nothing and everything make sense for him at the same time.

I'm encouraged. He's certainly not this .920 OPS behemoth like this last 251 PA, but there is likely going to be some growth here from his career .758 OPS (731 PA). Hopefully for us it is 50-75 OPS points and becoming more neutral in the field.

“None of it matters because he is streaky”

-some people

[Lee Stone]

Yea but that "patience" goes away when MLB pitchers pound the zone because he can't hit the ball out of the infield. And I would say most guys in AA fail in AAA because most don't make the majors still. Wendle's had a very good career and been hurt this year. I find it hard Nasim would come in today and be better.

Edwards is a former FV50 guy just a year ago who scuffled a bit. Maybe there is a little Juan Pierre batting profile hiding in there. He's probably a good player if he can hit .275/.325/.350 with his speed and defense. Sounds like someone else on the current team.

I don't see opposing pitchers filling the zone on FoxTrax. I see them throwing lots of pitches off the plate that most Marlin hitters swing at anyway. Example from the start of today's game, just started. Webb throws five pitches each to Berti and Soler, none in the strike zone. Both struck out swinging.

[Namaste]

It’s going to be annoying when Tim Anderson gets traded to someone not named the Marlins

[Namaste]

DLC just got absolutely robbed by the Giants second baseman.

[Namaste]

Annnnd Cooper robbed also

[Namaste]

That’s a nice win. We’ll try to win our first series in SFO in 6 years tomorrow

[Cambridge]

Great win, really enjoy watching Garrett. A series win would be big out west.