2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Namaste]

Billionaires don’t like losing more money than they need to. That’s one of the ways they became billionaires.

[Lee Stone]

Billionaires don’t like losing more money than they need to. That’s one of the ways they became billionaires.

That would seem logical ... then again ... they turn around and hand out enormous long term contracts that bite them in the ass almost every time.

[Namaste]

MLB has TREMENDOUS resources to make a 82 game season happen. There are millions of dollars at stake as well as the implications to the fan base should the season get cancelled entirely.

Some people are allowing their hatred of Trump and his handling of C-19 to cloud their vision of how a 2020 season can happen. Some people WANT more failures because it would magnify Trumps wrongdoings.



<——————did not vote for Trump if you’re wondering

[gustavopim]

Billionaires don’t like losing more money than they need to. That’s one of the ways they became billionaires.

I mean yeah, and what's that have to do with anything? If they want to have a season just play the players what they had agreed (Pro-rated salaries). I don't see that as asking for much. The players will have to play, travel, maybe be away from their families while the owners and Front Office will be able to stay at home or not put themselves are risk.

If the owners don't want to pay, that's all good, but then the implications will be bigger. Just don't blame the players. They will be playing just so we can watch and entertain ourselves.

[Namaste]

I mean yeah, and what's that have to do with anything? If they want to have a season just play the players what they had agreed (Pro-rated salaries). I don't see that as asking for much. The players will have to play, travel, maybe be away from their families while the owners and Front Office will be able to stay at home or not put themselves are risk.

If the owners don't want to pay, that's all good, but then the implications will be bigger. Just don't blame the players. They will be playing just so we can watch and entertain ourselves.

I was just commenting on the fact that just because they’re billionaires, they’re not going to cave to the players. It’s not in their nature. I would have loved for the two sides to agree 24 hours after the owners submitted their proposal but I’m not all surprised that it’s going to be several days/weeks until they agree or cancel the season.

[fish16]

MLB has TREMENDOUS resources to make a 82 game season happen. There are millions of dollars at stake as well as the implications to the fan base should the season get cancelled entirely.

Some people are allowing their hatred of Trump and his handling of C-19 to cloud their vision of how a 2020 season can happen. Some people WANT more failures because it would magnify Trumps wrongdoings.



<——————did not vote for Trump if you’re wondering

At this point i agree that the season will probably happen one way or another, I just think there are significantly more concerns than you think in terms of pulling this off. Also i hate trump but im not letting that cloud my thinking, i just think the testing and our non existent tracing currently is going to make this wayyyy more difficult than people think.

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I was just commenting on the fact that just because they’re billionaires, they’re not going to cave to the players. It’s not in their nature. I would have loved for the two sides to agree 24 hours after the owners submitted their proposal but I’m not all surprised that it’s going to be several days/weeks until they agree or cancel the season.

I think this should end with players taking pro-rated salary but owners giving a little more than pro-rated. Say 81 games but the owners pay for 100 or something like that. show some good faith.

[fish16]

Billionaires don’t like losing more money than they need to. That’s one of the ways they became billionaires.

I get this point but it loses its effectiveness to me when you consider the inflation on the pro sports franchise values. any loss this year will be made up when the team is sold. obviously not everyone wants to sell the team but if there is a party in this who is positioned to take a 1 year blow its the owners, not the players.

[tjfla]

Your concerns seem legitimate, but I have read nothing about health concerns being a stumbling block to the MLBPA. It appears to be all about money.

https://www.newsday.com/sports/colum...ons-1.44782808 Hard as I try, I see nothing to legitimize the players' union contention that they are entitled to pro rata salaries in front of empty seats.

Pretty much money and being able to go home/where they want.

MLBPA sold out the draft picks for service time for ML players already. Players don't want to just play 81 games,spend rest of day travellling around Florida or at a 5 star hotel. They want to stay at home,be with family,go out at night and all

Owners were all for the AZ/FL split league plan this year but as soon as players heard they take bus/train and just play baseball they said NO.

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NBA guys pretty much had same thought until they got 25% of pay withheld. Now they are all about staying at Disney hotels playing at Wide World Sports and other places in Central FL so they can get paid.

[Namaste]

Every day that passes with no MLB, I miss MLB slightly less than I did the day before.

[Lee Stone]

Every day that passes with no MLB, I miss MLB slightly less than I did the day before.

I'm going to be unhappy in any case. I was most looking forward to watching the Wind Surge. A Marlins team of temporary mercenaries holds no real allure to me.

[fish16]

I'm going to be unhappy in any case. I was most looking forward to watching the Wind Surge. A Marlins team of temporary mercenaries holds no real allure to me.

ya i was most excited about tracking the prospects in AA and AAA. no minor league season is a complete disaster from the marlins rebuild perspective.

[Lee Stone]

I subscribed to The Athletic because I've read everything else. First thing I read was Keith Law's top 100 prospects. I judged it as brilliant/astute and all that for the best and most subjective of reasons: it concurred with my own thoughts pretty much down the line. Jazz is our top guy at #15 for the best of reasons - he's a freak of nature with his reflexes and all around talent level. Law made a big deal of his transformation once he donned a Jacksonville jersey. He's destined to be the face of the franchise.

Before moving on to the next Marlin, I lingered at the 25 spot and CJ Abrams, my dream pick in the 2019 draft. Only Adley Rutchman enjoyed a higher rating among '19 draftees, with Vaughn, Witt Jr., Bleday and Riley Green all trailing him.

34 is Edward Cabrera, 15 spots ahead of Sixto Sanchez. Of all published ranking lists, Law is the only one to get this right ... IMO.

Braxton Garrett is a somewhat surprising 62. Personally, I lean toward Trevor Rogers over Garrett, but time will tell. I'm just glad to see the name appear.

Bleday(68) and J Sanchez also made the list (83). I would have made room for L Diaz on the list, maybe even Harrison too. Still, six names isn't bad ... with Asa Lacy still to come.

[fish16]

lewin diaz is a guy who would have been on those top prospects lists by the end of the year if there was a minor league season

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Also, if jazz pans out and we can turn ozuna's last two years till free agency into him and a top to mid rotation guy in Sandy that's pretty damn good.

[Lee Stone]

My guess on eventual salary agreement with MLBPA: If all games are played w/o fans in attendance, contract salaries will be reduced by 20% for 2020 and then prorated. In affect, a player with a MLB average salary of $5M will receive a pro-rated share of $4M (or $2M for an 81 game regular season). Neither party will be happy with the arrangement, which is essential for a fair compromise. The huge win for the players this season will be a 29-30 man roster, creating 90-120 new ML salaries.

Asa Lacey interview. Sounds like a really great kid. https://www.mlb.com/news/asa-lacy-dr...an-comparisons

[fish16]

My guess on eventual salary agreement with MLBPA: If all games are played w/o fans in attendance, contract salaries will be reduced by 20% for 2020 and then prorated. In affect, a player with a MLB average salary of $5M will receive a pro-rated share of $4M (or $2M for an 81 game regular season). Neither party will be happy with the arrangement, which is essential for a fair compromise.

i think there will be a compromise but exactly the opposite of what you are saying. The owners are the ones who can make the bigger compromise. Players compromise and get their salaries pro-rated. owners pay them slightly more than what the numbers would be prorated. If there is a party who should have to face the bigger burden it should be the owners who have a longer time frame of ownership than the players do their playing career and whose assets always appreciate long term so if they run into financial trouble they can choose to sell their team for a huge price.