2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[Erick]

Would you rather bet on Brinson's upside with 1 more year in AAA versus having Dugger, Holloway, or Mejia? That's more likely the roster decision.

They can DFA Wallach and trade Urena/Conley/Cooper/Hernandez to open up spots for Joyce and Kintzler.

If they were to trade Senzel, I assume at least two 25 man roster players would be moved so there isn't an issue with keeping Brinson. They have 40 man space.

His upside is still too high to give up. A swing tweak could turn him into a low .700 OPS bat, and if he gets his head together defensively, that could turn into Michael Taylor very quickly.

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I'm also not saying that is a probability, I'm just saying wait to see what he looks like in August. If he still sucks, that'll be that.

Brinson’s a long ways away from even Michael Taylor.

We could do this with a lot of players too. Adam Conley is a mechanical tweak away from being a really good lefty reliever for example. Ureña as well, he has the stuff.

Also, I’m guessing that Brinson would still bring back a better player than Mejia, Holloway, etc. right now despite his struggles. Like I said, I think both sides could just use a change of scenery already. I don’t see him having a direct path to playing time this year anyway since it’d be ridiculous to give him the CF job regardless of what he does in Spring Training. We’ve already seen him have good Spring Trainings before.

[Todd]

I think Senzel was a little overrated as a prospect, but I do like his versatility, and he would be a good compliment for what we have coming up.

Senzel was so much fun to watch in college. His bat will come around IMO.

[rmc523]

Brinson’s a long ways away from even Michael Taylor.

We could do this with a lot of players too. Adam Conley is a mechanical tweak away from being a really good lefty reliever for example. Ureña as well, he has the stuff.

Also, I’m guessing that Brinson would still bring back a better player than Mejia, Holloway, etc. right now despite his struggles. Like I said, I think both sides could just use a change of scenery already. I don’t see him having a direct path to playing time this year anyway since it’d be ridiculous to give him the CF job regardless of what he does in Spring Training. We’ve already seen him have good Spring Trainings before.

We've been saying this for years and there's been no change.

[tjfla]

Starling Marte to Arizona for 2 solid young guys

Brennan Malone whom Arizona got in 1S Rd cause of signing issues

[tjfla]

Looks like Betts to SD is picking up too

SD-Betts
Boston-Myers,prospectin 10-15 range,1 of Naylor OR Margot,1 of Quantrill OR Joey Lucchesi

[Nick]

Looks like Betts to SD is picking up too

SD-Betts
Boston-Myers,prospectin 10-15 range,1 of Naylor OR Margot,1 of Quantrill OR Joey Lucchesi

Jeez, that's it?

We should be in on Betts. lol

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We'll give you Misner, Neidert and Guzman and we won't even make you take on a ridiculous contract.

[rmc523]

Looks like Betts to SD is picking up too

SD-Betts
Boston-Myers,prospectin 10-15 range,1 of Naylor OR Margot,1 of Quantrill OR Joey Lucchesi

If that goes through, with Boston trying to clear payroll, does Boston having anything worth getting to take Myers off their hands?

[Erick]

We've been saying this for years and there's been no change.

Same with Brinson

[lou]

If that goes through, with Boston trying to clear payroll, does Boston having anything worth getting to take Myers off their hands?

They have 2-3 young arms (Mata, Song, Groome) that would be interesting, but based on what is rumored to be going back to Boston, I think you'd want Manuel Margot (CF defense!) and one of those Boston arms or whoever that "10-15 range" SD prospect is. Boston would have to keep Luchessi/Quantrill. Then they've received little for Betts and that doesn't make sense.

This one doesn't make sense to me for Boston at all.

If the Marlins want Myers, they should do this with SD, send them Rojas and Urena/Conley, get $10 million from SD (this is effectively $22-24 million off of Myers $61 million owed, making Myers hypothetically 3/$37-39 which is more palatable), and get Morejon/Weathers, O. Miller, and some type of third player/Comp pick/IFA money. Maybe the Marlins throw in a FV40ish minor league prospect too. SD has a ton of choices and trades to make then so it works for them clearing the major salary. There is a permutation that works and I think this makes sense for everyone so SD can go get the big fish, and the Marlins buy low on Myers and get some pretty major prospects.

[Erick]

Am I missing something about Wil Myers? Why would we want him?

[Nick]

Am I missing something about Wil Myers? Why would we want him?

We shouldn't. He'd be an ok option to couple with our young lefty bats coming up the next few years, but the thought would be if you don't want to spend money on free agency. Maybe taking on a bad contract (Myers) would be a solid idea so that you can pilfer prospects from a team, and San Diego has one of the best farm systems in the league. Instead of just being content to have a payroll that's less than half the league average.

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Actually, according to Spotrac our current payroll is 1/3 the league average.

[lou]

Am I missing something about Wil Myers? Why would we want him?

Because if you absorb say $35-40 million from them, you could hypothetically get a prospect threesome of:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ad...ats?position=P
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ow...position=2B/SS
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/es...ts?position=2B

Plus, Myers isn't pure deadweight. He was:

38th percentile hard hit (250 batted ball events)
basically 50th percentile in average exit velocity, but....
5th percentile average fly ball/line drive exit velocity < - AWESOME

Basically, he hits weak ground balls and obliterates the ball when he hits it (I know he has contact issues, but still). The guys in front of him - Cruz, Reyes, Donadlson, Schwarber, Soler, Chapman, Olson, Y. Diaz, Soto, Ohtani, Bryce, Choo.... behind him Yelich, Eloy, Alonso, Alfaro(!), Devers, Ozuna, T. Hernandez, Odor, Bell, J. Baez...... This is a good list to be on for the most part.

I don't have delusions of Myers hitting 40 bombs all of a sudden, but he's better than 2019 for sure and is a perfect LF/CF/RF/1B compliment to all the lefties (Lewin, Bleday, Sanchez) coming.

If all it costs you is say, Rojas and Urena/Conley (to move payroll), SD chips in at least $10 million, and they do give you at least someone like Morejon and Miller who are good prospects, that is one hell of a trade for the Marlins IMO.

[rmc523]

Am I missing something about Wil Myers? Why would we want him?

As has been pointed out, you'd use him and our payroll space to buy prospects, and he's not an absolutely horrible player either.

[fish16]

If he’s not horrible why wouldn’t the Padres just hang onto him and find some sort of role for him rather than dealing him and prospects just to clear the salary.

[Nick]

If he’s not horrible why wouldn’t the Padres just hang onto him and find some sort of role for him rather than dealing him and prospects just to clear the salary.

They are trying to trade for (and subsequently extend) Mookie Betts. Which I have to assume will be a $300 million type contract. They're going to need all the cash they can get.