2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[tjfla]

There were a lot more vets we brought in before 2019 that we weren't able to trade than ones we were. Actually Romo was the only one we dealt, and while that looks like a good trade for us right now, like Lee mentioned we had to give the Twins a pretty good prospect ourselves to make it happen.

If you look at recent history, and think of all the contributors that we've gotten basically nothing for, I don't see how you can be so confident that we'll get something for Pedro Strop. A 35-year old reliever coming off a season with a 5 ERA.

Well some team gave up a pretty solid prospect for a 38 yr old closer named Fernando Rodney

[Erick]

Well some team gave up a pretty solid prospect for a 38 yr old closer named Fernando Rodney

Yeah lets judge all of our moves on an owner potentially being as dumb as Loria. Sounds like a great strategy.

[Nick]

Well some team gave up a pretty solid prospect for a 38 yr old closer named Fernando Rodney

Are you trying to sell Marlins fans on the fact that there is a Front Office and Owner as terrible as ours was, out there right now? Because I'm going to have to let you know that's going to be a hard sell.

[tjfla]

Are you trying to sell Marlins fans on the fact that there is a Front Office and Owner as terrible as ours was, out there right now? Because I'm going to have to let you know that's going to be a hard sell.

Hell no just saying some teams will pay for old ass closers

[Erick]

Hell no just saying some teams will pay for old ass closers

Teams don’t really care about saves anymore.

[tjfla]

Talking about Rodney. I can NOT confirm with my "janitor" friend yet if we our 1 of the final 4 teams but we DID call on him

[tjfla]

New wrinkle in MilB RP. Seems we have been telling FA that we are likely gonna 60 Day Sharp and that they are gonna have a ML spot open in the pen. They just have to wait till March so guys like Phelps/Juan Minaya/McHugh could sign a Milb deal BUT it would really be a ML deal. Pay them "bonus" and stuff

Not sure if its BS to just get them signed or what BUT they have done this with ALL the Rule 5 guys they have taken. Elieser/Graves/Ferrell. So its possible??? Remember Sharp is good as long as he gets to ML by July-can 60 Day him mid March with "oblique" injury get him some rehab games then up

Bullpen might be up in air till March 25!!!

Pen
Jarlin
Quijada(options)
Tarpley(options)
Yimi
Steck
Stanek
Brigham(options)
Sharp(60 Day have to wait till March)
Conley (DFA?)
Urena(Trade?)

2/3 possible 40 man spots open IF u DFA Conley/60 Day Sharp/Urena

[lou]

If Sharp is legitimately injured, that certainly solves a 40 man issue of bringing in another veteran reliever.

Sandy, Caleb, Pablo, Yamamoto, Hernandez (Dugger AAA)
Stanek, Steckenrider, Yimi, Urena, "Strop/Phelps" (Brigham AAA, Sharp DL)
Garcia, Conley, Tarpley (Quijada AAA)

I'm just putting Urena in the pen as you listed him there, but it would make more sense to me to put Urena in the rotation, Brigham in the pen (he was good!), and send Hernandez to AAA to be one of the three primary call ups with Dugger and Quijada.

[rmc523]

There was a rumor reported on MLBTR that mentioned the Padres interested in Betts, and the potential return for Boston was taking on Myers' contract and a top prospect.

So looks like they'd certainly like to get rid of that contract - brought be back to the discussion we've had here on deals to buy prospects by taking on that deal.

[Nick]

There was a rumor reported on MLBTR that mentioned the Padres interested in Betts, and the potential return for Boston was taking on Myers' contract and a top prospect.

So looks like they'd certainly like to get rid of that contract - brought be back to the discussion we've had here on deals to buy prospects by taking on that deal.

With Boston desperate to get rid of cash I don't see how bringing in Myers' contract makes sense for them. There is a deal out there that makes sense where we take on the majority, maybe not all of Myers' contract, and we get a really nice prospect or two in return. Something like catcher Luis Torrens (someone to challenge Alfaro in the very near future, they already have Mejia and Campusano so should be expendable and Ryan Weathers, young lefty pitching prospect, borderline top 100 guy, and we pay $40 million of Myers' remaining 3-year contract. That's how we should be using the cash we should have at our disposal.

[rmc523]

With Boston desperate to get rid of cash I don't see how bringing in Myers' contract makes sense for them. There is a deal out there that makes sense where we take on the majority, maybe not all of Myers' contract, and we get a really nice prospect or two in return. Something like catcher Luis Torrens (someone to challenge Alfaro in the very near future, they already have Mejia and Campusano so should be expendable and Ryan Weathers, young lefty pitching prospect, borderline top 100 guy, and we pay $40 million of Myers' remaining 3-year contract. That's how we should be using the cash we should have at our disposal.

Yeah I'm a bit surprised, as Betts makes 27M this year, and Myers makes 22.5M, 22.5M, 22.5M over the next 3, with a 20M option/1M buyout on the 4th year.

I doubt they'd take on the full contract, but I guess they're viewing it as buying prospects/ML pieces.

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I'd be ok with us buying prospects.

[lou]

Yeah I'm a bit surprised, as Betts makes 27M this year, and Myers makes 22.5M, 22.5M, 22.5M over the next 3, with a 20M option/1M buyout on the 4th year.

I doubt they'd take on the full contract, but I guess they're viewing it as buying prospects/ML pieces.

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I'd be ok with us buying prospects.

It's buying low on Myers also. He hits the ball really hard and isn't dead weight, like an older Zack Cozart. He could be a tweak in a swing to jacking 35 quickly. SD knows this which is why they aren't "that" desperate to trade him, even if they want to move him.

I think if you're eating 100% of Myers, you need at minimum Morejon/Weathers, Owen Miller, and Esteury Ruiz. If they eat say $15-20 million, I think you can go take a much lesser pitcher, someone like Joey Cantillo.

I'm all aboard taking a risk on Myers, and getting a lefty arm and righty middle infielders.

[Lee Stone]

If Marlins were to take on Myers' contract, I'd insist on CJ Abrams and Luis Campusano in return for the courtesy. I'd also make the Padres take M Rojas 2/10 contract. From a Marlin perspective, that would be sticking our necks out for sure, but I still don't think the Padres would do it.

Note that the players are position guys (Abrams in CF most likely and Campusano's a catcher), which is what I think the Marlins need. Bleday, J Sanchez, I Diaz, Chisholm. Harrison all have more question marks after the 2019 season than they did previously. Nothing close to a sure thing among any Marlin positional prospects. Our pitching is very deep, even if less than spectacular.

[Nick]

If Marlins were to take on Myers' contract, I'd insist on CJ Abrams and Luis Campusano in return for the courtesy. I'd also make the Padres take M Rojas 2/10 contract. From a Marlin perspective, that would be sticking our necks out for sure, but I still don't think the Padres would do it.

Note that the players are position guys (Abrams in CF most likely and Campusano's a catcher), which is what I think the Marlins need. Bleday, J Sanchez, I Diaz, Chisholm. Harrison all have more question marks after the 2019 season than they did previously. Nothing close to a sure thing among any Marlin positional prospects. Our pitching is very deep, even if less than spectacular.

I think it's a tough sell to the Padres to give up either of those guys in a salary dump. Maybe if we ate the entire remaining contract. Still I think it'd be tough, and getting them to take Rojas' contract, I don't see how that makes sense for either team. You want us to dump a contract we haven't even started paying for yet? Also, the whole point of dealing Myers is to dump money, so that's a great strategy we'll take the money of the player you don't want if you take on the money of a player Lee Stone doesn't want because he thinks Eddy Alvarez is somehow going to be in the majors on opening day.

[Lee Stone]

I think it's a tough sell to the Padres to give up either of those guys in a salary dump. Maybe if we ate the entire remaining contract. Still I think it'd be tough, and getting them to take Rojas' contract, I don't see how that makes sense for either team. You want us to dump a contract we haven't even started paying for yet? Also, the whole point of dealing Myers is to dump money, so that's a great strategy we'll take the money of the player you don't want if you take on the money of a player Lee Stone doesn't want because he thinks Eddy Alvarez is somehow going to be in the majors on opening day.

Love Eddy. Incredible #'s as a LHB last season. That aside, the Marlins gave Rojas that contract long before getting Villar, who is most acclimated to SS. Marlins don't need to spend $5M a year on Miguel ... he might be more valuable to a wannabe contender like San Diego as a bench asset. Losing Rojas $ helps Marlins absorb Myers money.

Another approach to landing Abrams would be selling high on Alcantara, a one for one deal like Jazz/Gallen. Padres could use another starter.