2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[tjfla]

Article from swingsandmishes.com that most of you will find interesting. https://swingsandmishes.com/marlins-...david-peralta/

Read the article if u wanna know why Mejia will be added to Rule 5. Scouts are drooling over him AND if they add him he can be adding to trades as our "mid tier" arm

This is gonna be the same with Soriano and Palacios next year. Neither one is close to being ready but scouts love them both. If u add them and wanna make a trade u can add them in the deals as "mid tier" arms instead of losing them in Rule 5

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Article from swingsandmishes.com that most of you will find interesting. https://swingsandmishes.com/marlins-...david-peralta/

Marlins would do Caleb Smith for Frazier in a second as they tried a few times a the deadline. NYY would probably prefer Soriano or Palacios but could see Caleb/Jerar/Soriano type deal Say what? For Clint Frazier?

No no for Frazier AND Andujar

Would be more minor pieces but main part would be Frazier and Andujar for Caleb/Jerar/Soriano(1 or 2 more minor pieces like ML RP or another NON 40 arm like Palacios/Encarnacion)

Caleb and a prospect like Pompey or Jerar for Frazier(Maybe other minor pieces but that main part)

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Should mention 2 names to watch in trades for us are

Luis Palacios and Breidy Encarnacion

Teams have been hot after both of them. Neither will be the main parts of trades but seems in talks teams have been asking for them as sweetners

[Lee Stone]

Luis Palacios, at age 19, would be off limits as trade bait for me. There's some Chris Paddack lingering there. Same goes for B Encarnacion, who just turned 19. I'd entertain sending Alcantara out in a deal for Andujar.

[lou]

Article from swingsandmishes.com that most of you will find interesting. https://swingsandmishes.com/marlins-...david-peralta/

That article is scary. Peralta is 32 with 1 year of control, and going to cost $9-$10 million. This puts a surplus value around $20 million and I'm being generous. Monte, even as a FV50 guy, smokes that in value, let alone H. Ramirez you can probably make an argument is worth $10-20 in surplus value over a few years even as a .5 WAR backup and Mejia is worth a little. That would be a horrific trade for the Marlins giving up around 18 years of players for 1 of Peralta in a non-contending years. I think they'd lose a surplus value analysis by at least double. I wouldn't even trade them Mejia for him right now just in case he becomes a player. If they want H. Ramirez and someone like Keller or Eveld, sure.

Then, you're trading Neidert, Devers, and Mejia, three real upside players, for 2 years of Mazara who has produced 1.7 WAR in his first 4 seasons. I do think there is some untapped potential there, but FUCKING PLEASE. Given the extra year and he's much younger, Ramirez and Mejia would be OK for him. Neidert and Devers is laughable.

[Lee Stone]

That article is scary. Peralta is 32 with 1 year of control, and going to cost $9-$10 million. This puts a surplus value around $20 million and I'm being generous. Monte, even as a FV50 guy, smokes that in value, let alone H. Ramirez you can probably make an argument is worth $10-20 in surplus value over a few years even as a .5 WAR backup and Mejia is worth a little. That would be a horrific trade for the Marlins giving up around 18 years of players for 1 of Peralta in a non-contending years. I think they'd lose a surplus value analysis by at least double. I wouldn't even trade them Mejia for him right now just in case he becomes a player. If they want H. Ramirez and someone like Keller or Eveld, sure.

Then, you're trading Neidert, Devers, and Mejia, three real upside players, for 2 years of Mazara who has produced 1.7 WAR in his first 4 seasons. I do think there is some untapped potential there, but FUCKING PLEASE. Given the extra year and he's much younger, Ramirez and Mejia would be OK for him. Neidert and Devers is laughable.

I was hardly impressed with what Jesus Sanchez did this year, but I'd take him over Mazarra in RF right now.

[Nick]

I think the good news is those guys dont have any more insight on what the Marlins will do then we do on this board. (Hell we have tj so we probably have more)

[Lee Stone]

Speaking of good news, what was the biggest baseball news that no on ever heard much about last season? Automated balls and strikes, of course. While the system earned an A+ in the Eastern League, it was also employed at the home field of the the Salt River Rafters in the Arizona Fall League. Until five minutes ago, I had never heard about that. Imagine that - the biggest change to the game we will ever see - and fall coverage of the Arizona League came and went without a single word about it (at least not that I read). Wouldn't it have been nice to know what Nick Neidert thought about it?

The blessing of no news reports on the subject is that robo-ump actually works effectively. As they say, no news is good news.

[fish16]

Robo umps for balls and strikes would be the best move mlb could possibly make. It’s ridiculous that it hasn’t happened years ago already

[Lee Stone]

A trade target for me: Daulton Varsho from Arizona, C/IF/OF that has no immediate spot in the Diamondbacks lineup. Love catchers that can also fill in elsewhere and bring speed to the table. Diamondbacks could use pitching.

[Lee Stone]

What is your fanciful 2020 lineup for the Marlins?

Mine is (vs. RHP)

LF Berti
SS Chisholm
3B Anderson
RF J Sanchez
1B Cooper
CF Harrison
C Heineman
2b Diaz

Vs LHP

Berti
Chisholm
Anderson
Cooper
Harrison
Alfaro
Dean/Ramirez
Rojas

Rotation: Lopez, Smith, Alcantara, Yamamoto, Neidert (with Sixto, Cabrera, and Guzman replacing the weakest in June)

[Nick]

You want to platoon our 22-year old top hitting prospect. ok

Also, latest stats are all that matters except when it comes to Jazz, I guess. Don't get me wrong, I think he will eventually be a very good player, but what about his .220 average in AA makes you think he's ready for the big leagues?

[Lee Stone]

You want to platoon our 22-year old top hitting prospect. ok

Also, latest stats are all that matters except when it comes to Jazz, I guess. Don't get me wrong, I think he will eventually be a very good player, but what about his .220 average in AA makes you think he's ready for the big leagues?

Jazz was .284, .383 and .877 under Marlin tutelage ... that's all that matters to me. And yes, I'm a total homer for Chisholm on my fantasy team. But, more important, who takes the field for you?

[Nick]

To Start:

C: Alfaro
1B: Cooper
2B: Isan
3B/RF: Anderson
SS: Rojas
LF: Ramirez/Dean
CF: Ramirez/Sierra/Berti
RF/3B: Free Agent

To Finish: (Best Case Scenario)

C: Alfaro
1B: Lewin/Cooper
2B: Isan
3B/LF: Anderson
SS: Chisholm
LF/3B: Free Agent
CF: Harrison
RF: Sanchez

[Lee Stone]

You want to platoon our 22-year old top hitting prospect. ok You are referring to I Diaz, who will be 24 in May? His OPS+ of .51 scares the crap out of me ... Brinsonesque. It's not all that unusual for players to hit in AAA and then flounder in the majors ... ala Austin Dean. But for the record, Dean's OPS+ was actually 50% higher than Diaz last season! I only listed Diaz at all because I know he will be given more opportunity to struggle. I only wish the Marlins would trade for a 2B like Vidal Brujan to take over. For the record, I'd LOVE to see Diaz catch and throw well and hit for power and average for the Marlins. I just can't envision it based on what I've seen. I don't recollect any player who started out that badly in the majors and then turned into a solid everyday guy.

[Nick]

You want to platoon our 22-year old top hitting prospect. ok You are referring to I Diaz, who will be 24 in May? His OPS+ of .51 scares the crap out of me ... Brinsonesque. It's not all that unusual for players to hit in AAA and then flounder in the majors ... ala Austin Dean. But for the record, Dean's OPS+ was actually 50% higher than Diaz last season! I only listed Diaz at all because I know he will be given more opportunity to struggle. I only wish the Marlins would trade for a 2B like Vidal Brujan to take over. For the record, I'd LOVE to see Diaz catch and throw well and hit for power and average for the Marlins. I just can't envision it based on what I've seen. I don't recollect any player who started out that badly in the majors and then turned into a solid everyday guy.

No I was talking about Sanchez, but platooning Diaz next year is equally ludicrous.

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Also, there are about a million examples of guys who started out slow and eventually became quality major league players.

[Lee Stone]

You make a good point with Jesus Sanchez. He actually hit lefties better than righties last season. Isan, of course, was utterly helpless vs. southpaws for the Marlins.