2019-2020 Offseason Discussion

[fish16]

If we could get 2 years of Lindor for just devers, jerar, and Cabrera you do that in a heartbeat

[tjfla]

At GM Meetings alot of asking about our SP/pitching by way. Caleb,Sandy,Urena and our RP like Steck,Stank,Brice,40 man guys

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If we could get 2 years of Lindor for just devers, jerar, and Cabrera you do that in a heartbeat

Exactly which is price(plus likely 1 other minor piece) for Lindor without extension. LAD,NYY could beat that offer if wanted

[sports24/7]

Devers/Jerar/SP all have to be added to 40 man next year and Draft pick doesnt not. U can replace ALL 3 in draft pretty easy

If u have to give up a draft pick u also have to give up draft pool $. Draft picks means nothing but losing 2 million dollars from pool hurts especially since they see this is last big draft year. If they would have had to last draft then NO Misner,Fitterer and Mokma

I agree its weird but I understand the thinking. I think it has more to do with the depth in the system than anything. Next offseason they HAVE to add Devers/Brian Miller/Jerar/Garrett/Rogers/Soriano/Palacios/Stevens/Aiello plus others like FA they get. They are offering 3/4 prospect packages all over(Cubs,Boston,Lindor) and see if someone bites

A big focus this offseason seems to be find guys who are NOT Rule 5 eligible as they are aware its gonna be tough decisions coming up

They are actually dying to add ANOTHER draft pick somehow(can't until Dec/Jan) and its NOT for the pick. They want that extra draft pool $$$. Just like if Emerson Hancock is around at #3 they might pass and grab Cole Wilcox or JT Ginn. The FO especially Greenlee love JT Ginn(Spin Rate better than our best ML guy now) and if he gives them a deal that lets them save 1.5 million I could see them take him. The more draft pool $$ the more BPA they can take. Take JT Ginn at #3 save 1.5 and if a HS guy falls to Rd 4 or 5 because of bonus they can afford him now

That's a bit of an oversimplification, no? The vast majority of draft picks don't ever become even the level of prospects of those players. I'm not here to say that draft picks don't matter, but I think it's misguided for the Marlins to shy away from signing a good player that will be in his prime, and helping this team to contend when they're aiming to do so in a couple of years because they'd have to give up a (non 1st round) draft pick.

[tjfla]

That's a bit of an oversimplification, no? The vast majority of draft picks don't ever become even the level of prospects of those players. I'm not here to say that draft picks don't matter, but I think it's misguided for the Marlins to shy away from signing a good player that will be in his prime, and helping this team to contend when they're aiming to do so in a couple of years because they'd have to give up a (non 1st round) draft pick.

Well what I mean is say u do this

Trade
Cabrera-#3 Pick SP Hancock OR JT Ginn(Same age and probably ranked higher)
Jose Devers-Round 2S Pick SS/3B Yohandy Morales but have Jazz/Torres/Nunez/Osiris/Dalvy/Salas/Cappe at SS
Jerar-Rd 2 Pick a college bat who is same exact age but have Bleday/Misner/Burdick/Connor Scott

Ya draft is a crapshoot but what I mean is its not like u are trading guys that can be replaced very easily

So u trade a SP,OF,SS who have to be on 40 man and in First 3 picks for 2020 draft u take SP,OF/Bat,SS who are same age or younger/maybe better and don't have to be on 40 man for 4/5 years plus u get a bat like Lindor,Betts,Bryant,Lourdes,Peralta whomever

Please note I like Cabrera,Devers and Jerar ALOT but fact is not alot of room for them on ML team unless improve

[Lee Stone]

Let's agree on something. The only "untouchables" on the Marlins AND in their system are Chisholm (gave up our best starter for him), S. Sanchez, and Edward Cabrera. If somebody wants Alcantara, C Smith, or Pablo, fine, but the three I mentioned are most likely to be star players. You don't trade a future star for two years of a current star.

[rmc523]

I suppose if you do acquire one of these big names for a year, and they don't want to agree to an extension after trying all offseason/throughout the season, you could always trade them at the deadline too. A guy of that caliber would still be worth a lot at the deadline for a team that needs a bat, and might be willing to overpay/recoup what you gave up.

[tjfla]

Let's agree on something. The only "untouchables" on the Marlins AND in their system are Chisholm (gave up our best starter for him), S. Sanchez, and Edward Cabrera. If somebody wants Alcantara, C Smith, or Pablo, fine, but the three I mentioned are most likely to be star players. You don't trade a future star for two years of a current star.

Cabrera isn't untouchable right now. Maybe next offseason

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I am in the camp of this strategy

2019 offseason-Castellanos/SP 1 yr plus option/few vets
2020 offseason-Go crazy and try for Betts
2021 offseason-If Miss on Betts go even crazier for Lindor

I wouldn't trade any prospects for anyone. Keep drafting BPA,spend all of the IFA cash,bring prospects along slow and spend big in FA

[sports24/7]

Well what I mean is say u do this

Trade
Cabrera-#3 Pick SP Hancock OR JT Ginn(Same age and probably ranked higher)
Jose Devers-Round 2S Pick SS/3B Yohandy Morales but have Jazz/Torres/Nunez/Osiris/Dalvy/Salas/Cappe at SS
Jerar-Rd 2 Pick a college bat who is same exact age but have Bleday/Misner/Burdick/Connor Scott

Ya draft is a crapshoot but what I mean is its not like u are trading guys that can be replaced very easily

So u trade a SP,OF,SS who have to be on 40 man and in First 3 picks for 2020 draft u take SP,OF/Bat,SS who are same age or younger/maybe better and don't have to be on 40 man for 4/5 years plus u get a bat like Lindor,Betts,Bryant,Lourdes,Peralta whomever

Please note I like Cabrera,Devers and Jerar ALOT but fact is not alot of room for them on ML team unless improve

I think you CAN replace those guys with those picks, but I don't know that I agree that it's easy. The odds say that hitting at that percentage are unlikely.

Don't get me wrong. I would go after Lindor, and maybe take a chance on a Bryant or Betts. I'd try to get an extension agreed upon, but depending on the return, I'd think about taking a chance. I just don't understand the line of thinking that they'd be willing to do that, but not willing to give up a draft pick.

[fish16]

Jazz isn’t untouchable and gallen was not our best starter at all if you’re including prospects

[rmc523]

IF they try to trade for one of these names, I'd want it to be Lindor or Bryant since they have the extra year of control. It'd cost more prospect wise, but you'd have an extra year to try to work out an extension.

[tjfla]

I think you CAN replace those guys with those picks, but I don't know that I agree that it's easy. The odds say that hitting at that percentage are unlikely.

Don't get me wrong. I would go after Lindor, and maybe take a chance on a Bryant or Betts. I'd try to get an extension agreed upon, but depending on the return, I'd think about taking a chance. I just don't understand the line of thinking that they'd be willing to do that, but not willing to give up a draft pick.

Again its not just the draft pick but the draft pool $ that u lose. Say Ozuna was a FA LY and we signed him and had to give up our 3rd pick. We would have missed out on Nasim Nunez and lost 2.2 million in draft pool $ which means no Fitterer or Mokma. So they signed Ozuna but lost out on 3 draft picks with tons of talent. The pick isnt the issue its when u lose a pick or a Top 10 Rd guy doesn't sign u lose flexibilty in what u can do

[Lee Stone]

Jazz isn’t untouchable and gallen was not our best starter at all if you’re including prospects

In the year of the AAA HR ball, Gallen was 9-1 for New Orleans with a 1.71 ERA in over 90 innings ... with a WHIP of .71. Neither Sixto nor Edward will ever touch those numbers (because virtually no one ever does). In seven starts for Miami, his ERA was 2.97. In eight starts for Arizona, his ERA was 2.89. Gallen has made himself into something special.

And yes, I think Jazz is untouchable. He's one player that Jeter targeted personally after seeing him play in the Arizona Fall League in 2018.

[tjfla]

Havent heard us connected to him but seems Mitch Haniger is on the market

Stats sucked LY due to ruptured TESTICLE but could be interesting name plus we have robbed Seattle multiple times!!!

[Nick]

If we could get 2 years of Lindor for just devers, jerar, and Cabrera you do that in a heartbeat

1 year in which we're no better than a 72-win team even with Lindor, and a 2nd year where you have to hope that every single prospect above AA becomes a contributor by 2021 to have hope of being a playoff team. You trade for stars so that they're around for the years you think you'll be good. Putting all your chips on 2021 looks risky at this point.

[Lee Stone]

Havent heard us connected to him but seems Mitch Haniger is on the market

Stats sucked LY due to ruptured TESTICLE but could be interesting name plus we have robbed Seattle multiple times!!!

Haniger would be an excellent grab for Marlins. Three years of arb-level control left. Maybe they'd take Pablo Lopez in return, or more likely Alcantara or Neidert ... and Brinson.