2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[Lee Stone]

I'm saying I'd rather watch Nasim Nunez at SS than Wendle or Iglesias. He might make more errors, but he'd be a hundred times more fun to spectate.

I'm saying the biggest probelm, of many, is the "upgrades" from last season.

I'm saying it was a mistake to trade Pablo for what the team got. There was no excess of starting pitching.

[Nick]

I'm saying I'd rather watch Nasim Nunez at SS than Wendle or Iglesias. He might make more errors, but he'd be a hundred times more fun to spectate.

I'm saying the biggest probelm, of many, is the "upgrades" from last season.

I'm saying it was a mistake to trade Pablo for what the team got. There was no excess of starting pitching.

We're not scoring runs in Spring Training, so we shouldn't have traded Pablo. Got it.

[Lee Stone]

My curiosity about Jake Eder continues. When Jose Fernandez had TJS in May of 2014, he returned to the Marlins mound 14 months later. Eder has been out for closer to 20 months. One would think that a pitcher who dazzled in his debut season (all the way up in AA) would be the subject of continuous reporting. The opposite has been the case. Other than that pre-spring interview with FishStripes, in which he said he was 100 percent and without limitations, there has been absolutely nothing.

[fish16]

I'm saying I'd rather watch Nasim Nunez at SS than Wendle or Iglesias. He might make more errors, but he'd be a hundred times more fun to spectate.

I'm saying the biggest probelm, of many, is the "upgrades" from last season.

I'm saying it was a mistake to trade Pablo for what the team got. There was no excess of starting pitching.

pablo is a shoulder injury waiting to happen, 2 years from free agency, and they got one of the best pure hitters in all of baseball. they still need another power bat in the middle of the lineup, but that doesnt mean that they didnt get tremendous value for Pablo. Arraez is one of the best 2nd baseman in baseball. He might be the best hitter on this team. And yes, there is an excess of SP. Quite frankly they still have it and should use it to make another move for a bat.


Sandy, Luzardo, Rogers, Cabrera, Cueto, Garrett, Eury, Eder, Meyer, Fulton, and sixto is the definition of having a lot of SP. That is 11 potential quality options that will all be major league ready within the next year or so.

Also, if nasim nunez were up here as a major leaguer this year he would be the single worst hitter in baseball by a good margin. If you dont want to see Wendle or iglesias, that is understandable. That would mean berti, not nasim nunez who is a string bean with 0 muscle and has a career slugging percentage of .287 in the minor leagues.

[Nick]

pablo is a shoulder injury waiting to happen, 2 years from free agency, and they got one of the best pure hitters in all of baseball. they still need another power bat in the middle of the lineup, but that doesnt mean that they didnt get tremendous value for Pablo. Arraez is one of the best 2nd baseman in baseball. He might be the best hitter on this team. And yes, there is an excess of SP. Quite frankly they still have it and should use it to make another move for a bat.


Sandy, Luzardo, Rogers, Cabrera, Cueto, Garrett, Eury, Eder, Meyer, Fulton, and sixto is the definition of having a lot of SP. That is 11 potential quality options that will all be major league ready within the next year or so.

Also, if nasim nunez were up here as a major leaguer this year he would be the single worst hitter in baseball by a good margin. If you dont want to see Wendle or iglesias, that is understandable. That would mean berti, not nasim nunez who is a string bean with 0 muscle and has a career slugging percentage of .287 in the minor leagues.

Nunez is a good prospect who should be in AA/AAA. He played his entire minor league career in Jupiter before last year, and his SLG jumped 60 points after getting out of there. We'll see, he needs another jump this year, which could come just from cutting down on the strikeouts and increasing the batting average.

[lou]

Backhanded LF complements from FG - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-pos...gs-left-field/

TLDR - DLC and Sanchez are OK and have mega potential on top of that, and WTF is this organization doing playing Garcia more than them and moving Jazz to the OF.

It is a good quesiton.

Summary
Great - 2B
Above Average -
Average - C, 3B
Below Average, with real upside hope - LF
Below Average - 1B, SS
Disaster -

[lou]

My curiosity about Jake Eder continues. When Jose Fernandez had TJS in May of 2014, he returned to the Marlins mound 14 months later. Eder has been out for closer to 20 months. One would think that a pitcher who dazzled in his debut season (all the way up in AA) would be the subject of continuous reporting. The opposite has been the case. Other than that pre-spring interview with FishStripes, in which he said he was 100 percent and without limitations, there has been absolutely nothing.

He vaulted up prospect lists into top 100 territory without getting back into games. I'm not sure what your expectation is, but the guy is a 4th round pick with 71 innings to his name. He might be very good and frankly I expect him to be at minimum a really good reliever, but how about he plays some games?

[fish16]

in regards to eder, i still havent seen it reported, but he broke his foot in his rehab last year so im assuming he probably couldnt continue his rehab during that time so that's why he's recovering a little slower and didnt appear in any spring games.

[lou]

Nunez is a good prospect who should be in AA/AAA. He played his entire minor league career in Jupiter before last year, and his SLG jumped 60 points after getting out of there. We'll see, he needs another jump this year, which could come just from cutting down on the strikeouts and increasing the batting average.

I don't know about good, but generally yea. Lot's of minor league time is needed.

Lee - the answer is to not call up fleeting AA guys to fix the team. SS is certainly a problem, but they magically aren't going to conjure up a 3+ WAR player to upgrade anyone. They need to trade for Rosario, Peraza, etc. for a real impactful move (if they are even available). Gleyber seems like more a guy to trade for due to Volpe's rise and ditch Cooper/move Arraez to 1B, etc. Practically, the real issue was not beating the dead horse - Correa, Xander, Turner, Swanson, or Nimmo. That was the guy they needed.

[fish16]

Nunez is a good prospect who should be in AA/AAA. He played his entire minor league career in Jupiter before last year, and his SLG jumped 60 points after getting out of there. We'll see, he needs another jump this year, which could come just from cutting down on the strikeouts and increasing the batting average.

if he hits for even a below average amount of power, he might be a piece. But as currently constructed, he is at most a billy hamilton type gadget piece and defensive replacement. He cant be a significant piece or a starter, even with how fast he is and how good he is defensively, without having more power. Guys like that dont stick in this era of the big leagues without being able to hit for more power.

[fish16]

these fangraph projections are awful. Sanchez is projected for .4 WAR in only 140 PA in LF yet last year in a complete disaster of a year he put up a .9 WAR? I get that they will give him PA's in RF and DH but he will primarily be playing in LF. Cooper's projections were bad, and the SS projections were ridiculously high. These projection systems as i have been saying are awful. Lets revisit these at the end of the year.

[fish16]

Here would be my projections-

C- 1- Higher if they give fortes the most ab's but i think they will foolishly give Stallings too many starts
1b- 2
2b- Arraez will be 4 give or take
SS- 1-1.5
3b- 2-2.5
LF- Sanchez 2 and DLC around 1
CF- Jazz 3.5-4
RF- Garcia- 1.5-2
Soler 1.5-2
Plus berti around 1.5-2 depending on how much time he gets. I would use him as the starter for the majority of games at SS

We will see who is closer at the end of the year.

[Lee Stone]

It's not about batting average with Nunez, it's OBP that matters. He's great in that regard. He also lined a hit at 107 off the bat this spring. For a team that can't seem to move base runners, his stolen bases would also be a huge plus. Wins will be difficult to come by regardless of who plaiys SS (I'd have Jazz there), but the team would be more exciting to watch with Nunez. By a mile.

[Nick]

if he hits for even a below average amount of power, he might be a piece. But as currently constructed, he is at most a billy hamilton type gadget piece and defensive replacement. He cant be a significant piece or a starter, even with how fast he is and how good he is defensively, without having more power. Guys like that dont stick in this era of the big leagues without being able to hit for more power.

He had a .701 OPS w/ 70 steals last year, and is our best defensive shortstop in the system. I'm not to Lee's level, but I'm on the bandwagon. Now obviously the walk rate is probably not sustainable, 70 steals probably not, but maybe with the new rules. He needs to decrease the strikeouts, and increase the batting average to offset the losses he will probably have in OBP, but to me that doesn't seem far out of the realm of possibility to do, not to mention he's young and will most likely add some power to help the slugging% become more respectable. .700 OPS, 60-70 steals, and excellent defense plays as a major league starting SS.

[fish16]

It's not about batting average with Nunez, it's OBP that matters. He's great in that regard. He also lined a hit at 107 off the bat this spring. For a team that can't seem to move base runners, his stolen bases would also be a huge plus. Wins will be difficult to come by regardless of who plaiys SS (I'd have Jazz there), but the team would be more exciting to watch with Nunez. By a mile.

no, they wouldnt, because nunez would not get on base at the major league level to steal bases, at least not yet. His OBP was .384 last year. Where was that? Oh ya, it was Beloit and in AA Pensacola. the guy you are looking for is Jon Berti, and he's already on the team. Nunez had a BA of .251 last year in A+ and AA, and had a slugging percentage of .317. That is impossibly bad and unplayable at the major league level.

also, if Jazz could play SS, he would be there, not CF. They needed a SS just as much if not more than CF. There is a reason he in CF. there was also a reason he moved from SS to 2b to begin with.