2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

jazz also said today he will be meeting with Griffey about playing CF, plus Dee gordon, Victor Robles, and others to get some insight on CF. Im guessing juan pierre will play a role as well. Shockingly, he didnt lack confidence when he said if he stays healthy he will be at an MVP level and put up a "40/40, maybe even a 50/50"

[fish16]

I also think by the end of the year, the long term infield will have the right side and DH figured out long term, and i think Jerar Encarnacion will surprise and become the long term 1b of the future with Berry hopefully as the pure hitting DH guy. Something about Jerar reminds me a lot of Ozuna coming up, though ozuna had better numbers in the minors more consistently. the pure power though is super reminiscent of young ozuna. Would be huge if he can lock down 1b long term and give that traditional 1b power that we desperately need with the long term position players.

Ideally, 2 years from now, we roll out

C- Fortes/Banfield turning into Mack
1b- Jerar
2b- Arraez
SS- Watson/Cappe/Lewis/Amaya
3b- ???
LF- Sanchez/Burdick
CF- Jazz
RF- Bleday
DH- Berry

SP- Sandy, Eury, Luzardo, Cabrera, Meyer/Eder/Sixto/Garrett/Fulton

Just typing that out and how cheap it will be makes me furious that Bruce won't spend on that big time free agent deal.

This will be a post that looks incredibly stupid like some of my posts that had a future OF of Monte, Sierra, and Brinson, but that's an ideal world. We desperately need to figure out 3b long term though (MACHADO!!! or trade pitching for a young guy)

[Lee Stone]

twl years from now - I see Jazz, Cappe, Lewis, Watson, Nunez and perhaps Amaya covering the IF and perhaps two OF spots. For Sanchez, Bleday, Berry, Burdick etc., that ship has sailed.

[fish16]

twl years from now - I see Jazz, Cappe, Lewis, Watson, Nunez and perhaps Amaya covering the IF and perhaps two OF spots. For Sanchez, Bleday, Berry, Burdick etc., that ship has sailed.

to be clear on what you're saying, you're saying the ship has sailed on berry, burdick, bleday based on a combined 296 plate appearances at the ml level, all in their first taste of big league pitching, and 202 are bleday?

Also, you just put 6 people in an infield.

[Todd]

Khalil Watson hit .232/.296/.395 in A ball.
Yidde Cappe hit .279/.299/.380 in A ball.

Surprised that not only have you not given up on them but that you have them in the show.

For the record, Berry-whose ship has apparently sailed after 141 professional ABs-hit .264/.358/.392 in A ball. And is younger than Nasim Nunez.

My gosh you are insufferable.

[Lee Stone]

Insufferable to think a major league team could build around players with elite multiple tools? To me, a willingness to field a team that is not characterized by multiple above average tool players at virtually every position is insufferable.

[lou]

the more i look at the outlay of the team without any more additions, the more i think that last roster spot comes down to groshans or amaya, and i think groshans has the inside edge there due to experience, even though i think i like amaya more.

Also, pretty telling from sixto today essentially calling himself fat in the past. who knows if he ever gets his shoulder healthy enough, but at the very least it looks like the work ethic is back. I know we've been over this time and time again, but him coming back and being anything close to what he was before would be such an unexpected huge boost.

Another interesting thing from today's media day, possibly completely meaningless or maybe it's a good sign- rogers said he watched tape of 2021 and 2022 and said he had an epiphany watching the tape and knows what went wrong last year. To me, it seemed very clear there was something mechanically off with him, and that then led to a blatantly obvious lack of confidence towards the middle of last year.

Again, this is all the usual spring training hope that every team has, but i have such high hopes for this pitching staff if everyone stays healthy. Sandy, Cabrera, Luzardo, 2021 Rogers, Cueto with Sixto as the closer is about as filthy as it gets. But we've also been doing this since i said we had a pitching surplus 2-3 years ago, it needs to actually happen, enough projecting, it's time to actually perform to the expectation we have based on how it looks on paper.

It's been long said they need another IF since the Jazz CF announcement. It's why Rosario/Peraza are difference makers if they can get them, and Andrus is the best fit if going with FA. Of course that spot is a Groshans/Edwards/Amaya/Hampson/LeBlanc battle if they do nothing and that spot may get 90+ starts easily. Welcome to the party.

We knew this about Rogers months ago with how his usage changed. He's going to be fine. You've really been the only one low on him. - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/trevor-r...changed-it-up/

[lou]

Insufferable to think a major league team could build around players with elite multiple tools? To me, a willingness to field a team that is not characterized by multiple above average tool players at virtually every position is insufferable.

I think the criticism is you're rushing guys to the bigs too fast and writing them off on SSS. These guys likely need 3-4 years in the minors. Maybe Berry is quicker. But sure, the 2026 team could easily feature Mack, Berry, Watson, Cappe, etc. Saying Berry's ship has sailed is a tremendously kneejerk bad take

[lou]

I also think by the end of the year, the long term infield will have the right side and DH figured out long term, and i think Jerar Encarnacion will surprise and become the long term 1b of the future with Berry hopefully as the pure hitting DH guy. Something about Jerar reminds me a lot of Ozuna coming up, though ozuna had better numbers in the minors more consistently. the pure power though is super reminiscent of young ozuna. Would be huge if he can lock down 1b long term and give that traditional 1b power that we desperately need with the long term position players.

Ideally, 2 years from now, we roll out

C- Fortes/Banfield turning into Mack
1b- Jerar
2b- Arraez
SS- Watson/Cappe/Lewis/Amaya
3b- ???
LF- Sanchez/Burdick
CF- Jazz
RF- Bleday
DH- Berry

SP- Sandy, Eury, Luzardo, Cabrera, Meyer/Eder/Sixto/Garrett/Fulton

Just typing that out and how cheap it will be makes me furious that Bruce won't spend on that big time free agent deal.

This will be a post that looks incredibly stupid like some of my posts that had a future OF of Monte, Sierra, and Brinson, but that's an ideal world. We desperately need to figure out 3b long term though (MACHADO!!! or trade pitching for a young guy)

SD is pitching an extension to Machado, I don't think that's the one. But I hope you are right on Jerar.

[lou]

But what I came here for is Christian Javier's 5/$64 arbitration extension (2 FA years). He's better than Luzardo and 1 year closer to free agency.

I love this as a comp, it lines up well to give Luzardo 5/$35 (including this year) + a club option for say $18m. That's the deal if one is going to happen this offseason. That gets them 1 FA year and an option on a second.

If Luzardo is lights out this year (3+ WAR..... his last 135 IP he threw a 2.7 WAR also to note, that's last 7 stars of 21 and 22), he'd probably scale slightly lower than Javier and they'd be looking at a guaranteed 5/$60 instead.

So practically, they could wait until next offseason and not get screwed on an extension. But if they believe in him, they can turn that last year into an option more than likely and that is risk I'd buy to get the 2 FA years.


Same position here - try for Arraez, Luzardo, and Jazz deals. I think Arraez and Luzardo would take them assuming market value and Jazz would bet on himself like Ozuna (as he really should coming off the injury year).

[fish16]

We traded jj bleday straight up for Aj puk. Like the deal, puk is really fucking good, but why not just sign a reliever like chafin?

[Namaste]

AJ Puk is really good but he’s thrown like 40 innings in 3 years

[fish16]

AJ Puk is really good but he’s thrown like 40 innings in 3 years

Except that he was completely healthy last year and threw 66 innings out of their bullpen last year

[fish16]

I was thinking they had to have something in the works when ng said today that they weren’t satisfied with the bullpen. It was obvious, but you don’t say that publicly unless you have something. Another waste of a top 5 pick, and I think bleday will play a while, but left field was clearly going to be Sanchez and dlc this year

[fish16]

Was bleday at fan fest today?