2022-2023 Offseason Thread

[lou]

It's pretty incredible the Mets are willing to spend $102m on at best 350 innings over 5 years. This is (notably) over a full season of Marlins payroll just to keep Edwin.

And then more incredible, this will somehow be better than the 3,500 PA Garcia/Soler give the Marlins over 7 seasons for $89m.

[Namaste]

It's pretty incredible the Mets are willing to spend $102m on at best 350 innings over 5 years. This is (notably) over a full season of Marlins payroll just to keep Edwin.

And then more incredible, this will somehow be better than the 3,500 PA Garcia/Soler give the Marlins over 7 seasons for $89m.

Sad but true. All of it.

Can’t wait for the Marlins to make Michael Brantley their big off-season splash instead of one of the amazing SS’s that are available this year.

It’s pretty wild that Dansby is the 4th best SS on the FA market this off-season. We all know the Marlins will sign none of the big 4.

[lou]

Sad but true. All of it.

Can’t wait for the Marlins to make Michael Brantley their big off-season splash instead of one of the amazing SS’s that are available this year.

It’s pretty wild that Dansby is the 4th best SS on the FA market this off-season. We all know the Marlins will sign none of the big 4.

But but but, Eury, Berry, Groshans, Sanchez, Bleday, Eder, Fulton, and Sixto need another year of development and Meyer/Bender/Poteet need to get healthy, THEN we can spend money.

Move the goal post, kick the can, restart the clock, etc. etc. until we can come up with the next excuse.

[Lee Stone]

Hindsight. Just before the trade deadline, Pablo was sitting at 3.03 with his ERA. A day before the deadline, the Marlins started him one more time (july 31). In two innings he gave up 12 hits and a slew of runs. For a team with aspirations of making the playoffs (such as the Yankees), that start had to put a serious damper on a proposed trade. Why didn't the Marlins trade him when he sat safely at max value? (As an aside, it would have benefited a new team by making him available to pitch immediately, basically giving him an added 2022 start.)

[rmc523]

Wendle doesn't have a guaranteed contract and they can DFA him and pay him $75k. That's not any shadow hanging over the franchise. Come on now. Practically, they can easily trade him as he's a good bench and costs $5+ m next year.

O'Neil is definitely an interesting trade idea of Cardinals sell low.

Actually, I think Wendle has an option, but can also be retained via arbitration if the option is declined.

[Lee Stone]

I think Wendle gets 6.3 mill or is bought out for $75K. Can't see the Marlins giving him another contract for 2023. I didn't realize that the Marlins could get out of the deal so cheaply.

[lou]

Hindsight. Just before the trade deadline, Pablo was sitting at 3.03 with his ERA. A day before the deadline, the Marlins started him one more time (july 31). In two innings he gave up 12 hits and a slew of runs. For a team with aspirations of making the playoffs (such as the Yankees), that start had to put a serious damper on a proposed trade. Why didn't the Marlins trade him when he sat safely at max value? (As an aside, it would have benefited a new team by making him available to pitch immediately, basically giving him an added 2022 start.)

Because 1 or 2 starts isn't going to change his value from the huge sample size of his career so suggesting anything is of serious damper with 1 outing is silly

Because his value hasn't really been impacted with 2 years of control. If anything, you're talking a less throw-in guy at the end. And I'd even dispute that as now he has show he can get to 180 innings and stay healthy which we couldn't say in July.

Because the Marlins need innings in 2023 due to Meyer/Poteet/Bender injuries and guys like Hernandez/Sixto not carrying their weight. Given how cheap they are as a franchise and Pablo likely won't get to $6m, it's a major issue unless you get exactly what you want. He is major bang for buck even with their other pitchers.


This has already been discussed and all is a non-issue. Keeping Pablo is not the wrong/bad idea, but scenarios can also exist where it would be a good idea to move him (see, Peraza with NYY as you mentioned which they clearly didn't go for or it would have happened).

[lou]

Actually, I think Wendle has an option, but can also be retained via arbitration if the option is declined.

Yes, the Marlins will decline and take him to arbitration to save $1m if they keep him. That being said, Lee said the contract bogged them down and it doesn't. He isn't a liability.

[lou]

I think Wendle gets 6.3 mill or is bought out for $75K. Can't see the Marlins giving him another contract for 2023. I didn't realize that the Marlins could get out of the deal so cheaply.

He's a bargain at his anticipated $5.2-5.4m 1 year arbitration tender. He is frankly a must keep. He paced as a 1.9 WAR player per 600 PA this last year banged up. He is a premium bench player.

[Lee Stone]

Pablo's value was indeed impacted by nearly twenty percent ... a team that trades for him now gets two seasons intead of two and a half. As to the Peraza trade that was allegedly discussed back at the deadline, we don't really know what the full Miami ask was.

[rmc523]

He's a bargain at his anticipated $5.2-5.4m 1 year arbitration tender. He is frankly a must keep. He paced as a 1.9 WAR player per 600 PA this last year banged up. He is a premium bench player.

I agree he should be kept.

[Lee Stone]

I disagree that Wendle should be kept. He gives you no production at second, short or third. You can put him in the OF and he'll do the same. The Rays dumped him after his .299 OBP and 86 OPS during the second half of 2021 season. He rewarded the Marlins with a .297 OBP and the same 86 OPS for 2023, He is consistently unacceptable and most likely won't get any younger. The team has to try to get better.

Same goes for the similarly paid Miguel Rojas.

[rmc523]

I disagree that Wendle should be kept. He gives you no production at second, short or third. You can put him in the OF and he'll do the same. The Rays dumped him after his .299 OBP and 86 OPS during the second half of 2021 season. He rewarded the Marlins with a .297 OBP and the same 86 OPS for 2023, He is consistently unacceptable and most likely won't get any younger. The team has to try to get better.

Ok.

[lou]

Pablo's value was indeed impacted by nearly twenty percent ... a team that trades for him now gets two seasons intead of two and a half. As to the Peraza trade that was allegedly discussed back at the deadline, we don't really know what the full Miami ask was.

It means little based on trade precedent of other starters the last decade. Pablo's value is going to relatively hold and as mentioned, he stayed healthy so that is huge. 20% is LOL. You're talking a lesser 3rd player throw in if any.

Peraza and Volpe are the obvious asks, as well as I believe I remember seeing something on Gleyber which does make sense if they would extend him and think he can play SS or 3B (or Jazz can play SS).

[lou]

I agree he should be kept.

Yes it's obvious