2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[fish16]

Kim ng saying on a live broadcast that they weren’t aggressive and let teams approach them on deals during the deadline is exactly what you’d expect from this team. And is exactly what I said happened yesterday. This management and ownership has no clue what they are doing. What complete and utter incompetence. For 3 fucking years we have had a clear hitting issue and a clear pitching surplus and at the trade deadline in year 5 of a rebuild when we are 20 games under .500 against every team other than the nationals, we let the deadline come to us? Holy fucking shit this team is in really deep trouble right now. At least with loria he gave directives and wanted to win even if it was in a complete and utter dysfunctional and incompetent way, 5 years into Sherman right now, does it seem like you have any idea if he gives a flying fuck about winning or how this team performs? This was the worst comment to date for this ownership. 5 years into a 1.2 billion dollar investment, what do you know about Bruce Sherman? Do you know what Bruce Sherman sounds like? Cause I sure fucking don’t

[sports24/7]

lux is enough. whatever prospects were gravy. Lux is going to be an absolute stud. that's the kind of centerpiece you get for pablo. #1 prospect in baseball a year or 2 ago. id imagine the other prospect might have been outman who just made his debut a few days ago and homered. anything else in the top 30 would be enough. lux has 4 more years of team control after this year. him as the centerpiece for pablo is exactly what you're looking for. not taking advantage of that and finally capitalizing on the pitching depth is so fucking stupid.

Again, though. There’s no indication that the Dodgers were offering Lux in the deal. There’s just a report out there about what Miami wanted.

[fish16]

while this team sucks, going back to 2017 the year before they bought the team, the marlins top 30 prospects is laughable. this is the year after jose. kolek the literal worst #2 pick in MLB history was 2 after braxton garrett, Anderson 3rd, jarlin the marlin 4th, dillon peters 5th, isael soto, thomas jones, and stone garett next, steckenrider and james nelson next. this farm system was horrible. they just need to make the next moves to get it from great farm system to good actual team.

[fish16]

Again, though. There’s no indication that the Dodgers were offering Lux in the deal. There’s just a report out there about what Miami wanted.

lux for lopez straight up is similar value

[Todd]

Its a shame I didn't win that PowerBall. I was going to buy the Marlins and bring the F back.

[lou]

Lux and any one of those prospects we were talking about for Pablo is so stupid to turn down. Obviously it depends on the prospect but that’s unbelievably stupid if it was pages, Vargas or Busch.

Ozuna for Garcia is a no brainer. Off the field stuff aside, he’s a significantly better player and his last year is a club option just like Garcia. More stupidity.

could have traded Pablo and Garcia for Ozuna, lux, and pages/Busch/Vargas. Another failure to pull the trigger setting is back. Complete incompetence. I mentioned lux yesterday as a guy they should be going after. Lux was the #1 prospect in baseball, cheap for years to come, and has been good in the big league. Him and Jazz can be your middle infield for years to come, plus you might have been able to get a busch or vargas.

This is what we're looking at next year with those moves

C- Fortes
1b- Lewin
2b- Jazz
SS- Lux
3b- Vargas/Busch
LF- Ozuna
CF- Bleday
RF- Soler? or Sanchez
DH- Cooper
SP- Sandy, Eury, Cabrera, Rogers, Luzardo, plus sixto, garrett, and eder as other options.

That is a such an improvement. Just such incompetence. If that was the offers available and they didn't do it, this team is doomed due to awful management.

Getting angry over hypothetical deals in your head that were likely never offered is pretty dumb

[lou]

lux is enough. whatever prospects were gravy. Lux is going to be an absolute stud. that's the kind of centerpiece you get for pablo. #1 prospect in baseball a year or 2 ago. id imagine the other prospect might have been outman who just made his debut a few days ago and homered. anything else in the top 30 would be enough. lux has 4 more years of team control after this year. him as the centerpiece for pablo is exactly what you're looking for. not taking advantage of that and finally capitalizing on the pitching depth is so fucking stupid.

So we're going to play two 2B? Or move which one of them off to impact their defensive value?

They deal should have been Pages, Vargas, Amaya, and Outman. If - IF - they would have done something like that. Which is sounds like thy would have not.

[lou]

For the record, the Marlins apparently wanted Lux and three prospects. I’d imagine it didn’t get done because the Dodgers balked at that. I hope so, at least. It wasn’t that the Dodgers were offering than and Miami said no. And if Lux was in the deal, I don’t see any way another one of their top prospects were in it as well. That would be way more than what the market appeared to be for a good SP.

Amaya and Outman not top top prospects, so I'd imagine it's both of them. I frankly have no idea why they want Lux (he is good though).

Dodgers have a real 40 man crunch coming so some guys will be able to get traded for with them for lower A ball prospects.

[lou]

Kim ng saying on a live broadcast that they weren’t aggressive and let teams approach them on deals during the deadline is exactly what you’d expect from this team. And is exactly what I said happened yesterday. This management and ownership has no clue what they are doing. What complete and utter incompetence. For 3 fucking years we have had a clear hitting issue and a clear pitching surplus and at the trade deadline in year 5 of a rebuild when we are 20 games under .500 against every team other than the nationals, we let the deadline come to us? Holy fucking shit this team is in really deep trouble right now. At least with loria he gave directives and wanted to win even if it was in a complete and utter dysfunctional and incompetent way, 5 years into Sherman right now, does it seem like you have any idea if he gives a flying fuck about winning or how this team performs? This was the worst comment to date for this ownership. 5 years into a 1.2 billion dollar investment, what do you know about Bruce Sherman? Do you know what Bruce Sherman sounds like? Cause I sure fucking don’t

Another bad hot take. They have guys under control. No need to move them.

Aguilar sucks.

Cooper they got a lot of action and didn't like the deals. Also do they need him as do we know if Lewin can start next year?

Berti/Anderson injuries obviously impact them

Maybe Wendle/Rojas is their SS plan for next year? We don't know. It's also a fine one if they upgrade elsewhere as that's a good platoon for $11m and 2 roster spots.

So we're at Floro/Okert/Bleier. YES they should have tried working these guys. They could have probably lived without one more to try and get some sort of "Outman" level backup OF type. But, everyone has control so its not a rush.

Calm down.

[lou]

Again, though. There’s no indication that the Dodgers were offering Lux in the deal. There’s just a report out there about what Miami wanted.

BINGO

[lou]

lux for lopez straight up is similar value

I'd say Lux is more TBH, however 2B is his best position so it's a poor fit for the Marlins.

Pages/Vargas/Amaya/Outman would have been awesome if - IF - they would do it for Pablo, pick an infielder, and pick a non-Bass/Pop/Bender/Poteet/Scott reliever. You'd live with the potentially wonky defense as those first two might really hit, and those second two could be preferred backup/platoon guys. But we'll never know. So let's not get made at trades we have no knowledge about.

[Namaste]

Vargas hit a 405 foot double in his 1st mlb ab

[sports24/7]

I'd say Lux is more TBH, however 2B is his best position so it's a poor fit for the Marlins.

Pages/Vargas/Amaya/Outman would have been awesome if - IF - they would do it for Pablo, pick an infielder, and pick a non-Bass/Pop/Bender/Poteet/Scott reliever. You'd live with the potentially wonky defense as those first two might really hit, and those second two could be preferred backup/platoon guys. But we'll never know. So let's not get made at trades we have no knowledge about.

I wonder if the Marlins plan to give Jazz another shot at SS. Or at least if they’d be willing to do so.

[sports24/7]

As horribly awful as some of the trades in Marlins history have been (and there have been a lot), the Ozuna trade that netted us Sandy and Gallen has been such an incredibly good one. Ending up with a Cy Young pitcher and one of the best players at his position when it’s all said and done, for a good, but not great OF should be a franchise changer. It’s too bad they dropped the ball so much elsewhere.

It also really sucks that Stanton held us for ransom (or that they let him), or they would also have Brian Reynolds.

[sports24/7]

Kim ng saying on a live broadcast that they weren’t aggressive and let teams approach them on deals during the deadline is exactly what you’d expect from this team. And is exactly what I said happened yesterday. This management and ownership has no clue what they are doing. What complete and utter incompetence. For 3 fucking years we have had a clear hitting issue and a clear pitching surplus and at the trade deadline in year 5 of a rebuild when we are 20 games under .500 against every team other than the nationals, we let the deadline come to us? Holy fucking shit this team is in really deep trouble right now. At least with loria he gave directives and wanted to win even if it was in a complete and utter dysfunctional and incompetent way, 5 years into Sherman right now, does it seem like you have any idea if he gives a flying fuck about winning or how this team performs? This was the worst comment to date for this ownership. 5 years into a 1.2 billion dollar investment, what do you know about Bruce Sherman? Do you know what Bruce Sherman sounds like? Cause I sure fucking don’t

I think there’s a decent chance she said that to make Pablo feel better. You don’t want to get it in his head that they were shopping him even if it was for the right reasons. That being said, if she’s being honest, she should be fired or reassigned regardless of the optics, because she’s simply not ready for this job.