2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[Lee Stone]

both garcia and soler have made about 50 million each prior to these contracts. They arent without motivation, they are without a representative sample size. its been 9 games for Soler and 6 for garcia.

For those keeping score at home, Garcia and Soler each made $34 millionish over their 10-year careers prior to signing with the Marlins. The current contracts with the Marlins guarantee each of them more than their entire career earnings prior to signing.

[fish16]

For those keeping score at home, Garcia and Soler made $34 millionish over their 10-year careers prior to signing with the Marlins.

shit you're right, I didn't see baseball reference was including this year in their earnings. Still, its sample size, not 10 million after they've already each made around 37-38 million.

[Todd]

A thought on the stadium...

Not selling the roof pillars as advertising space to drink companies who can paint them like giant cans of their product is a missed opportunity.

[Namaste]

I’m landing in Las Vegas in about 36 hours. I’m going to make a $100 bet on Max Meyer to win the NL Rookie of the Year if Aria or Cosmopolitan offer it. He’s pitching too good to not get called up within the next 30-60 days.

Does anyone remember his service time situation?

[lou]

I’m landing in Las Vegas in about 36 hours. I’m going to make a $100 bet on Max Meyer to win the NL Rookie of the Year if Aria or Cosmopolitan offer it. He’s pitching too good to not get called up within the next 30-60 days.

Does anyone remember his service time situation?

They can call him up now and get "year 7" of service time as he won't get to 6 years of service by the end of 2027. For historical Super2 purposes (there are nuances) to potentially save money, mid-June is likely the call up. I think it's the next 2 weeks or June 20th. Anything in between is dumb. Get the benefit now, or wait for potential money savings a few more weeks.

I think this is a TOUGH bet also. Suzuki's BABIP is stupid, but he may trip and fall into a 3+ WAR season and that's a big problem for Meyer. He'd have to have a Rogers type year immediately. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/se...ts?position=OF.

Also trade for Laureano

[Namaste]

They can call him up now and get "year 7" of service time as he won't get to 6 years of service by the end of 2027. For historical Super2 purposes (there are nuances) to potentially save money, mid-June is likely the call up. I think it's the next 2 weeks or June 20th. Anything in between is dumb. Get the benefit now, or wait for potential money savings a few more weeks.

I think this is a TOUGH bet also. Suzuki's BABIP is stupid, but he may trip and fall into a 3+ WAR season and that's a big problem for Meyer. He'd have to have a Rogers type year immediately. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/se...ts?position=OF.

Also trade for Laureano

Thanks, Lou.

It’s a long shot for sure. But Suzuki is likely worse than even money right now and Meyer will be like 25/1 (or better) I would imagine.

Just a fun, speculative wager.

[lou]

Thanks, Lou.

It’s a long shot for sure. But Suzuki is likely worse than even money right now and Meyer will be like 25/1 (or better) I would imagine.

Just a fun, speculative wager.

Godspeed. We shall root for Suzuki to have a non-serious injury for 2 months and Meyer to scorch earth over 125

[Lee Stone]

With 10% of the season gone: Jesus Sanchez in CF - 170 OPS+ and Bryan Reynolds 76 OPS+ Cedric Mullins 109 OPS+ Ketel Marte (at 2b, not CF) 37 OPS+

[Nick]

With 10% of the season gone: Jesus Sanchez in CF - 170 OPS+ and Bryan Reynolds 76 OPS+ Cedric Mullins 109 OPS+ Ketel Marte (at 2b, not CF) 37 OPS+

The need for acquiring a CF never had anything to do with Sanchez’s ability to hit.

[lou]

With 10% of the season gone: Jesus Sanchez in CF - 170 OPS+ and Bryan Reynolds 76 OPS+ Cedric Mullins 109 OPS+ Ketel Marte (at 2b, not CF) 37 OPS+

Cool.

They still need a longterm CF who can play defense and hits lefties, and kick Sanchez to LF. It radically improves two defensive spots and offensively it improves DLC/Berti/Aguilar/Cooper PA as those would be the guys to lose playing time (Soler would eat in to DH time for the later two).

Ramon Laureano is perfect at this time point. Ketel and Reynolds signed extensions, so I don't think they get moved this year.

[fish16]

Cool.

They still need a longterm CF who can play defense and hits lefties, and kick Sanchez to LF. It radically improves two defensive spots and offensively it improves DLC/Berti/Aguilar/Cooper PA as those would be the guys to lose playing time (Soler would eat in to DH time for the later two).

Ramon Laureano is perfect at this time point. Ketel and Reynolds signed extensions, so I don't think they get moved this year.

burdick. and you didn't even have to give up two of the top 25 or so prospects in baseball plus more. imagine that. mashes lefties and is good enough defensively to move sanchez back to a corner outfield spot. Burdick will never hit for a ton of average but he draws a lot of walks and has a high on base percentage as a result. trying to think of a comp for him but not sure what it is. He has ridiculous power.

[fish16]

garcia and soler have started slow but picked it up in Atlanta so lets see if they are getting hot. But they apparently lucked out not getting rosario. Braves signed him to a decent two year deal I believe and he's now out 8-12 weeks for some vision issue.

[lou]

burdick. and you didn't even have to give up two of the top 25 or so prospects in baseball plus more. imagine that. mashes lefties and is good enough defensively to move sanchez back to a corner outfield spot. Burdick will never hit for a ton of average but he draws a lot of walks and has a high on base percentage as a result. trying to think of a comp for him but not sure what it is. He has ridiculous power.

The Marlins don't have a single top 25 prospect in baseball for the record (although Watson may be moving there quickly), and I don't think anyone advocates moving Watson/Eury/Meyer/Cabrera for Laureano regardless. He'd be Sixto/Eder, Bleday/Burdick, and likely Salas/Fulton/Lewis as a good third piece. Maybe they have to eat some money (Piscotty) to juice that, or send over another 15-20 ranked guy like Morisette/Jerar/Fitterer andd/or DLC.

Burdick isn't a longterm CF. That's the problem here. And he isn't a contending piece for 2022 absent a miracle.

They need a CF option, and one that hits leftiese. They need to figure out how to get Laureano, or maybe Austin Hays.

[Todd]

garcia and soler have started slow but picked it up in Atlanta so lets see if they are getting hot. But they apparently lucked out not getting rosario. Braves signed him to a decent two year deal I believe and he's now out 8-12 weeks for some vision issue.

A combined .241/.313/.310 with 9 K in 27 AB is "picking it up"?

[fish16]

The Marlins don't have a single top 25 prospect in baseball for the record (although Watson may be moving there quickly), and I don't think anyone advocates moving Watson/Eury/Meyer/Cabrera for Laureano regardless. He'd be Sixto/Eder, Bleday/Burdick, and likely Salas/Fulton/Lewis as a good third piece. Maybe they have to eat some money (Piscotty) to juice that, or send over another 15-20 ranked guy like Morisette/Jerar/Fitterer andd/or DLC.

Burdick isn't a longterm CF. That's the problem here. And he isn't a contending piece for 2022 absent a miracle.

They need a CF option, and one that hits leftiese. They need to figure out how to get Laureano, or maybe Austin Hays.

both meyer and watson are around the 25 area by this point. My point was that the amount you were advocating giving up for reynolds was absurd. That was my only contention in our entire conversation back and forth. Im all for Laureano for that price. Im all for any really solid guy like that for a prospect depth trade. That was what I was saying all winter and spring. You just don't trade multiple young cost controlled top 25 or so prospects with star potential for guys who don't put you over the top and arent superstars like reynolds. my entire premise our entire debate back and forth for months was that you don't give up what you were willing to give up for a guy like reynolds, especially when you have great depth in the system to trade for a slightly lesser guy like a laureano. That's why i was advocating for giving up the farm like that for either Jose Ramirez or Buxton or find a lesser guy than Reynolds if the price was as astronomical as it was.

I'm also not sure why burdick cant be considered some sort of longterm CF if his bat is as good as it seems. He's played CF a lot in the minors with us, has been fairly decent, and he has above average speed to cover ground in CF. Not sure why you think our longterm CF has to be this specific model of defensive stalwart. If his bat is legit and he can be average at CF, that is more than enough. Is he a slightly better fit in a corner outfield spot? Sure. That doesn't mean he cant be a long term CF if his bat is as legit as it has played in the minors thus far in his career. And how do you square burdick not being a CF, yet you were willing to give up 2 of the best prospects in baseball for a guy like reynolds who is nothing special in CF himself?