2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[lou]

Miami Herald ripping Sherman - https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/s...259932580.html

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[Nick]

Miami Herald ripping Sherman - https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/s...259932580.html

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Want to get in early with a prediction that Watson won’t be a “surefire stud” like fish16 predicted. A lot can go wrong there (beyond injuries).

I’m not saying the Pirates would absolutely deal Reynolds with us offering Watson as the headliner but I sure hope Kim Ng tried that.

lou, we’ll know what level of incompetence we are dealing with if the FO doesn’t have Cabrera up with the big team by the 2nd week of June.

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We signed Jeff Mathis

[lou]

Want to get in early with a prediction that Watson won’t be a “surefire stud” like fish16 predicted. A lot can go wrong there (beyond injuries).

I’m not saying the Pirates would absolutely deal Reynolds with us offering Watson as the headliner but I sure hope Kim Ng tried that.

lou, we’ll know what level of incompetence we are dealing with if the FO doesn’t have Cabrera up with the big team by the 2nd week of June.

I think we already know.

Unless this is all a big strategic ploy and they are waiting for Pitt, Oak, and Balt to blink on the most beneficial deal for Reynolds, Laureano, Mullins, or Hays. There is shockingly inventory here with MANY CF available all at different price points. It's mind numbing.

[Lee Stone]

I just hope the team realizes what a great asset Eder is. Best kept secret is that Eder was better than Meyer at Pensacola - in every part of the stat line. I'm thinking the year off will equate to massive lower body strength development for a guy who was mentioned by some scouts as the best minor league pitcher last season prior to his TJS.

[lou]

I just hope the team realizes what a great asset Eder is. Best kept secret is that Eder was better than Meyer at Pensacola - in every part of the stat line. I'm thinking the year off will equate to massive lower body strength development for a guy who was mentioned by some scouts as the best minor league pitcher last season prior to his TJS.

Preaching to the choir here. How about they keep 8 SP?

1 Sandy
2-4 Rogers, Luzardo, Eder (let's keep all the core lefties)
5 Pablo/Hernandez
6 Eury/Cabrera
7 Meyer/Sixto
8 Fulton (let's keep the lefties!)
(And keep Poteet and the fringe guys)

It really boils down to two of Eury, Cabrera, Meyer, and Sixto gotta go. We can agree all day how to rank the first 3, but there is a deal to be made there once we chuck in Bleday/Burdick and maybe they can even keep two of them if Sixto and Salas/Lewis.

Eury/Meyer
Cabrera or Sixto
Bleday/Burdick
"No One" or Salas/Lewis

That foursome gets you a CF monster. I think anyways.

[Lee Stone]

Preaching to the choir here. How about they keep 8 SP?

1 Sandy
2-4 Rogers, Luzardo, Eder (let's keep all the core lefties)
5 Pablo/Hernandez
6 Eury/Cabrera
7 Meyer/Sixto
8 Fulton (let's keep the lefties!)
(And keep Poteet and the fringe guys)

It really boils down to two of Eury, Cabrera, Meyer, and Sixto gotta go. We can agree all day how to rank the first 3, but there is a deal to be made there once we chuck in Bleday/Burdick and maybe they can even keep two of them if Sixto and Salas/Lewis.

Eury/Meyer
Cabrera or Sixto
Bleday/Burdick
"No One" or Salas/Lewis

That foursome gets you a CF monster. I think anyways.

I look back to the Yelich trade, and what MILW had to give up. If we're looking Laureano (lesser asset than Yelich at the time), Burdick and Bleday could be our Brinson and Harrison, and Yiddi Cappe our Isan Diaz. McCambley could stand in for Yamamoto. It works when my head's on my pillow.

On the 8 starters for our "rotation". If we don't double up with starters in those games, each for 3,4,5 innings, we'll be predictably screwed. Let's be clear, we go into this knowing that Hernandez, Lopez, Luzardo, and maybe Rogers are 4-5 inning guys, especially early in the season. You want our BP responsible for half our innings? If we start the season like that we'll be 2-10 before we know it.

[lou]

I look back to the Yelich trade, and what MILW had to give up. If we're looking Laureano (lesser asset than Yelich at the time), Burdick and Bleday could be our Brinson and Harrison, and Yiddi Cappe our Isan Diaz. McCambley could stand in for Yamamoto. It works when my head's on my pillow.

On the 8 starters for our "rotation". If we don't double up with starters in those games, each for 3,4,5 innings, we'll be predictably screwed. Let's be clear, we go into this knowing that Hernandez, Lopez, Luzardo, and maybe Rogers are 4-5 inning guys, especially early in the season. You want our BP responsible for half our innings? If we start the season like that we'll be 2-10 before we know it.

If the goal is 1400 innings:

200 - Sandy
160 - Rogers (360)
150 - Luzardo (510)
150 - Pablo (660)
125 - Hernandez (785)
100 - Cabrera/Meyer (885)
200 - Bender, Floro, Pop (1085)
100 - Bleier, Okert (1185)
Let's just sale up to 1200 to make it easy. That's fair.
Make it 1300 with Meyer AND Cabrera. Maybe the trade is Eury, Bleday, Salas/Eder, and Salas/Lewis ya know?

Last 100-200 - Poteet, Head, Holloway, Sixto mid-season (maybe), Neidert, Garrett, Yacabonis, Armstrong, your boy Velez, who knows.

They are good. Sandy and Rogers can't get hurt, but every team can say that.

This is why getting Bednar, Trivino, or Sulser is helpful as that's 50-70 more, and let's trade Eury and keep Cabrera, Meyer, and Sixto as they help "now."

[fish16]

Preaching to the choir here. How about they keep 8 SP?

1 Sandy
2-4 Rogers, Luzardo, Eder (let's keep all the core lefties)
5 Pablo/Hernandez
6 Eury/Cabrera
7 Meyer/Sixto
8 Fulton (let's keep the lefties!)
(And keep Poteet and the fringe guys)

It really boils down to two of Eury, Cabrera, Meyer, and Sixto gotta go. We can agree all day how to rank the first 3, but there is a deal to be made there once we chuck in Bleday/Burdick and maybe they can even keep two of them if Sixto and Salas/Lewis.

Eury/Meyer
Cabrera or Sixto
Bleday/Burdick
"No One" or Salas/Lewis

That foursome gets you a CF monster. I think anyways.

It doesn’t boil down to two or those having to go. It boils down to trading Pablo and either trading Hernandez or moving him to the pen. That’s what the rays would do with young top prospects with 6 years of team control on the cusp

[lou]

It doesn’t boil down to two or those having to go. It boils down to trading Pablo and either trading Hernandez or moving him to the pen. That’s what the rays would do with young top prospects with 6 years of team control on the cusp

That ship sailed and Hernandez doesn't get them what they need. They need impact. He's internally more valuable.

But get them to trade Pablo/Cooper for Marsh/J. Jackson and a prospect, then trade for Kiermaier, then sign/acquire another innings eater, and maybe another bench player a week before the season. That works too. In reality, this needed to be done in December.

[lou]

Interesting stat on Sanchez OF defense from FG - 97th-percentile outfield jump and 71st-percentile sprint speed

So he gets moving faster than everybody out there and is well above average in speed to make up further ground.

Wouldn't it be something if they get the last laugh and they are OK out there. Garcia was great his last 400+ innings out there too.

So much crow will have to be eaten if these guys play reasonable below average CF defense (which is Reynolds/Mullins levels).

I still say trade for one (because Reynolds can HIT also), but glimmer of hope.

[fish16]

Interesting stat on Sanchez OF defense from FG - 97th-percentile outfield jump and 71st-percentile sprint speed

So he gets moving faster than everybody out there and is well above average in speed to make up further ground.

Wouldn't it be something if they get the last laugh and they are OK out there. Garcia was great his last 400+ innings out there too.

So much crow will have to be eaten if these guys play reasonable below average CF defense (which is Reynolds/Mullins levels).

I still say trade for one (because Reynolds can HIT also), but glimmer of hope.

That’s what I’m saying. The bats have been upgraded and young guys should be better, rather than deal top prospects who are especially valuable to a small market team, see if one of these 5 options they are trying can be passable

[lou]

That’s what I’m saying. The bats have been upgraded and young guys should be better, rather than deal top prospects who are especially valuable to a small market team, see if one of these 5 options they are trying can be passable

Or, just fix the issue and end a 4+ year rebuild. And still have plenty of young guys.

It's time. You gotta shift your heads from sisters of the poor to winning every game. It's hard, I get it. But it's time.

[fish16]

Or, just fix the issue and end a 4+ year rebuild. And still have plenty of young guys.

It's time. You gotta shift your heads from sisters of the poor to winning every game. It's hard, I get it. But it's time.

This team can compete as it is this year if one of these guys can play a passable centerfield with the pitching they have and they don’t have to decimate the depth they’ve built to acquire a bat who in my opinion might make them better this year but none of these guys you mentioned is putting this team over the edge. If you can get a star like Jose Ramirez, I’m down to deal any of these guys, but Ramon Laureano doesn’t put this team over the top.

let the first half of the year play out and then if it doesn’t work by the deadline then make a deal. I think this offense is already tremendously improved from last year. Doesn’t mean they are a top tier offense but they’ve added stallings, wendle, a healthy Cooper and Anderson, soler, and Garcia, and you still have jazz and Jesus Sanchez who can realistically be expected to take another step. I don’t think this need for a pure center fielder is as dire as you make it out to be if any of these guys can just not be an albatross defensively

plus id like to see more from burdick and bleday to see if you have an internal option less than a year away without having to trade away 6 years of multiple team controlled starting pitchers who are top of the rotation talents