2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[lou]

Surprised we haven't heard anything on trying Jazz in CF. Speed-wise he seems to make the most sense. You have Wendle on the roster who can take over 2B.

Me too, but maybe it's the arm strength/accuracy.

I have more confidence in Anderson than Sanchez/Garcia also FWIW.

[Nick]

Me too, but maybe it's the arm strength/accuracy.

I have more confidence in Anderson than Sanchez/Garcia also FWIW.

Anybody suggesting Garcia is a possibility at CF is out of their mind. Anybody seen this guy? He's like 250 lbs.

[fish16]

anderson in CF is very interesting to me. If he can be passable there that opens up so much. Wendle at 3b full time, sanchez and Garcia in the corners, and soler full time at DH

[lou]

Anybody suggesting Garcia is a possibility at CF is out of their mind. Anybody seen this guy? He's like 250 lbs.

Very very very good for 356 CF innings 20-21. SSS and the previous 300 CF innings were brutal.... but very very good for those 356 innings. Also, he has been a borderline elite RF defender since 2016 over 4,000 innings. Seriously. He's good out there. He has been even better since 2019 (1800+ innings). He's a good athlete. It's why the signing isn't that bad, ignoring positional redundancy.

This is why I think Sanchez is insane in CF - Garcia is an OBVIOUSLY better candidate. Anderson is also. Sanchez is the worst idea of the bunch. I can't figure that out.

But it's spring training. And maybe the idea is having two excellent defenders (Anderson - X - Garcia) around Sanchez to help, so you have only 1 shitty spot, instead or 2 shitty spots (that being Sanchez who isn't great, and whoever is playing CF can't hit (DeShields/Quinn/Berti) or is a bad defensive option (DLC).

Then Cooper/Aguilar is on the bench and Wendle is starting. So why haven't they just traded for a CF? All roads come back here.

[Nick]

Very very very good for 356 CF innings 20-21. SSS and the previous 300 CF innings were brutal.... but very very good for those 356 innings. Also, he has been a borderline elite RF defender since 2016 over 4,000 innings. Seriously. He's good out there. He has been even better since 2019 (1800+ innings). He's a good athlete. It's why the signing isn't that bad, ignoring positional redundancy.

This is why I think Sanchez is insane in CF - Garcia is an OBVIOUSLY better candidate. Anderson is also. Sanchez is the worst idea of the bunch. I can't figure that out.

But it's spring training. And maybe the idea is having two excellent defenders (Anderson - X - Garcia) around Sanchez to help, so you have only 1 shitty spot, instead or 2 shitty spots (that being Sanchez who isn't great, and whoever is playing CF can't hit (DeShields/Quinn/Berti) or is a bad defensive option (DLC).

Then Cooper/Aguilar is on the bench and Wendle is starting. So why haven't they just traded for a CF? All roads come back here.

As a prospect, Sanchez was touted as an elite defensive corner OF. Since he's been up he hasn't swayed me one way or the other, but it hasn't been a ton of innings at the major league level for him.

[lou]

As a prospect, Sanchez was touted as an elite defensive corner OF. Since he's been up he hasn't swayed me one way or the other, but it hasn't been a ton of innings at the major league level for him.

Sure. Maybe he gets better, but he's not very good. Maybe he levels out at average. He's fine if he mashes for sure. Already reports worried about injuries with him being in CF full time as it's more taxing.

I truly think Anderson is the best option here without even seeing him, with Garcia being a spot fill in. I'm glad this is being explored at least. I can see him being as good as Reynolds or Mullins (who aren't that good but are fine).

[Lee Stone]

Personally, I thought Laureano was the best solution for CF. In addition to performing overall like a young Starling Marte, he was a bargain due to his suspension. (The exact opposite of Soler, whose value was inflated big time because of a few Series homers. Overall last year, Soler had a negative WAR! How many free agents have come off that kind of year and signed a $36M contract?)

If Oakland wanted Meyer and Bleday for that deal, I would have agreed very quickly.

[sports24/7]

Like others have mentioned, I'd also like to see Jazz get a shot at CF. You'd think he has the skill-set, and they have a pretty good prospect pool of middle infielders.

[lou]

Personally, I thought Laureano was the best solution for CF. In addition to performing overall like a young Starling Marte, he was a bargain due to his suspension. (The exact opposite of Soler, whose value was inflated big time because of a few Series homers. Overall last year, Soler had a negative WAR! How many free agents have come off that kind of year and signed a $36M contract?)

If Oakland wanted Meyer and Bleday for that deal, I would have agreed very quickly.

Yes. I'm with you here - add in Kemp and Trivino also who would ludicrously round out the team. Oakland can't expect much for them so package it up.

Eury/Meyer/Cabrera
Bleday/Burdick
Sixto/Eder/Salas/Fulton/Lewis < - Laureano is very very good and we have the two excellent kickers attached. The third player will hurt but that's OK
Jerar/DLC
Outside top 20 throw in
Maybe another outside top 20 throw in

This team is stacked:

Stallings, Henry
Aguilar, Cooper
Jazz
Rojas, Wendle
Anderson
Sanchez, Kemp
Laureano
Garcia
Soler

Laureano suspension - Quinn and DeShields. Berti is DFA'd for payroll. Sorry Berti. Cut them all expanded rosters ending/Laureano back. This team is super injury proofed. Cooper, Wendle, and Kemp are all low-end starting options. There isn't a pure backup CF, but you take that risk to the deadline.

[Lee Stone]

Cringe-worthy outing for Pablo tonight. Velocity AND command were lacking. Something like 13 out of 14 changeups were taken for balls. Not a good place to be with just one practice start left for him.

[AdamRavs]

Sure. Maybe he gets better, but he's not very good. Maybe he levels out at average. He's fine if he mashes for sure. Already reports worried about injuries with him being in CF full time as it's more taxing.

I truly think Anderson is the best option here without even seeing him, with Garcia being a spot fill in. I'm glad this is being explored at least. I can see him being as good as Reynolds or Mullins (who aren't that good but are fine).

I hate moving Anderson all over the place. I get trying to get flexibility. But he is hitting like shit and has since late yr before last when he got hurt. Sure he has a had a few spurts but he looks out of sorts. I believe part of it is him figuring out the fielding things. Plus he has been good at 3B.

[Lee Stone]

I hate moving Anderson all over the place. I get trying to get flexibility. But he is hitting like shit and has since late yr before last when he got hurt. Sure he has a had a few spurts but he looks out of sorts. I believe part of it is him figuring out the fielding things. Plus he has been good at 3B.

I always watch the gamecasts of these spring games so I can follow pitch location. BA is in the rut that always gets him: rolling over on pitches on the outer edge and beyond. When he thinks and goes oppo, he's a solid hitter.

Chris Bassitt, the new Mets soft tosser (91-92 is his top end), is amazing with his pitch location. He can hit the outside corner at the bottom of the zone at will. Pablo was over the plate but low with virtually every changeup. He only threw 91-93, Need him at 94-95 for best effect.

[lou]

Why don't they really just blow it out for Montas, Laureano, Kemp, and Trivino?

Like who cares?

Eury
Meyer/Cabrera
Bleday/Burdick
Sixto/Eder/Salas/Fulton/I. Lewis
Morisette/Jerar/Fitterer/McCants
DLC/Berti (or both!)
Outside top 25
Outside top 35

A totally awesome 8-4 sending out a tremendous franchise changing package for everyone. Montas (2), Laureano (3), Kemp (2), and Trivino (3) all cheap and controlled for years. Oakland takes 4 big swings longterm.

They are rolling this out for 2 years basically and it's CHEAP and they could easily add a major FA next year with money off the books.

Stallings, Henry (Pipeline - Fortes, Jackson, Mack)
Aguilar, Cooper (Pipeline - Lewin)
Jazz (Pipeline - at least one of Salas/I. Lewis, maybe both, and maybe Morisette)
Rojas, Wendle (Pipeline - Watson, Devers, Nunez, maybe McCants)
Anderson (Pipeline - Cappe, and maybe Salas outgrows and moves if he's still here)
Laureano (Pipeline - VMJR)
Sanchez, Garcia, Soler, Kemp (Pipeline - Bleday or Burdick)

Sandy, Montas, Pablo, Meyer or Cabrera, maybe Sixto still here, Hernandez (Pipeline - ______)
Rogers, Luzardo (Pipeline - at least one of Eder or Fulton, maybe both)

Floro, Bender, Trivino, Pop (Pipeline - a lot of arms + SP trickle downs)
Bleier, Okert (Pipeline - Velez and could use lefties)

Big picture
-SP is very set. They have 8-9 guys easily for next 5+ years absent real injury issues
-Bullpen is set beyond needing a marquee lefty. They can find one. Or maybe Lee is right on Velez.
-There is excellent middle infield depth short and longterm with superstar upside
-OF is set for 5 years, but they need another CF in pipeline absolutely
-3B may be an issue longterm
-C may be an issue of Stallings slows and Mack is nothing

This is where first four picks in the draft (no order) are a college C, 3B, CF, and lefty arm. Fast moving supplements to this ideally.

Why do we care about that prospect package at all here with this depth chart, noting this is going to maintain a $70-90m payroll based on arbitration retainments/Soler opt-out. They could ADD to this dramatically if they went to $110-120m in peak contending years. And that's still CHEAP.

This really annoys me that they won't plant their flag after 4 years. Oakland couldn't say no for effectively four top 100 guys, even if we have to stretch a little to get Bleday and Sixto/Eder/Salas in there. I don't think those are large leaps of faith.

[Lee Stone]

Glad you didn't put Watson on your out-going list. I really think he could emerge as the Marlins' Wander Franco over the next couple years.

[lou]

Glad you didn't put Watson on your out-going list. I really think he could emerge as the Marlins' Wander Franco over the next couple years.

It's a moving thought process, but (1) Sandy, (2) Rogers, (3) Luzardo (lefty), (4) Jazz, (5) Watson, (6) one of Eury/Cabrera/Meyer (don't care which, but would prefer Meyer I think), (7) one of Sanchez/Bleday (don't care which), and (8) one of Eder/Fulton (lefty) is the untouchable list for me.

Everyone else can go to solve CF issues. It doesn't matter who. They have depth all over to handle this if it solves CF, and perhaps some guys are attached to that.

If someone doesn't want

Eury
Meyer/Cabrera
Sanchez/Bleday/Burdick and/or
Salas/Sixto/Eder/Fulton

For a CF and parts, that is then not a Marlins problem. That's a tremendous 3-4 player package and it just wasn't meant to be.

But they then, should still absorb Kiermaier/whoever and punt for a year.