2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[Todd]

I hate to tell you but I would almost guarantee you that is their plan.

[fish16]

magneuris sierra elected for free agency thank god. how he got to be so bad for so long and stick around was beyond me. Cant hit, fast but not a good base runner, nothing special defensively. Thankfully he is gone.

[gustavopim]

I seriously doubt they will do anything big and spend any money. We all hope too much in this forum.

Remember two good options for the CF and Corner outfield are two players we traded away and couldn't reach agreements with.

[fish16]

its gonna be a while before anything happens. With the lockout starting December 1 in all likelihood I don't see many moves being made in baseball without more clarity on that.

[rmc523]

I seriously doubt they will do anything big and spend any money. We all hope too much in this forum.

Remember two good options for the CF and Corner outfield are two players we traded away and couldn't reach agreements with.

We hope because it's the last straw for a lot of us. History tells me you're right, but I still have a slight sliver of hope left.

[emkayseven]

Yup when they don’t spend this year the goalposts will move again. The strike was looming, uncomfortable spending money. Covid left financial uncertainty. Coaching staff only has 1 more season and they want to reevaluate. They’ll figure out some reason.

[fish16]

im not expecting a correa type guy and, honestly, with how they have built the farm and how they would ideally need to structure a payroll to be competitive for more than just a year or 2, I would be ok with that. There is no excuse though not to be in the mix for a guy like Starling to come back here. He isn't going to get a ridiculous amount per year, and he is not going to be a 5+ year contract. And there's also the fact that we have a complete gaping hole at the position since he left. Ultimately the goal will be to develop that superstar level player from within just given how baseball contracts work and the market down here, so to me he is the perfect type of veteran, consistent, high producing guy who would be worth giving significant money to over a 4 year period. He's just one of those guys that you don't realize is as good as he actually is until you see him play on your team every day.

[rmc523]

Yup when they don’t spend this year the goalposts will move again. The strike was looming, uncomfortable spending money. Covid left financial uncertainty. Coaching staff only has 1 more season and they want to reevaluate. They’ll figure out some reason.

THEIR goalposts may move, but mine are stationary at this point. The concrete has settled; no jackhammers around.

[gustavopim]

THEIR goalposts may move, but mine are stationary at this point. The concrete has settled; no jackhammers around.

Correct. Let's see what they do.

[lou]

I seriously doubt they will do anything big and spend any money. We all hope too much in this forum.

Remember two good options for the CF and Corner outfield are two players we traded away and couldn't reach agreements with.

I don't fault them for Marte and Duvall. They can't be signing Marte for something like 4/$75 and Duvall doesn't make sense with a long term agreement with Sanchez, Bleday, and Burdick (and Misner, Scott, others). Signing 33 year olds during the best season of their career would turn into a mess quickly.

We'll see what they do. I'm expecting a pitching trade for a young, longterm CF (call it Brandon Marsh type), a non-exciting veteran catcher who can handle the kids (call it Stallings), a free agent bat (call it Castellanos at best, and this could scale down to someone like Rizzo, C. Taylor, or worst case scenario a Canha/Eddie Rosario if the whiff on everyone), and then depth signings - ditching Cooper and getting a veteran utility infielder and a bullpen lefty. I am envisioning them taking swings at Bryan Reynolds, Ketel Marte, and Byron Buxton too (which would replace either the longterm CF or free agent bat above), but ultimately not willing to pay enormous prices in the form of 3 key assets to get any of them. If Pablo is also sacrificed in a trade, I can see a short term SP brought in also, call it Jon Gray best case scenario on a short "prove I am absolutely awesome out of Colorado" deal, or some project like James Paxton or Johnny Cueto and try and catch lightning for the first few months of the year before things are turned over to Sixto/Cabrera/Meyer/Nicolas.

They could very sneakily add 10 WAR with something like Marsh, Stallings, Castellanos/Taylor, and depth signings if everything works out perfectly. If everything cuts right with Sanchez/Jazz/Sixto/Cabrera and they stay healthy, it's getting into the 80s in wins quickly and then the 1 run/extra inning luck makes or breaks you.

Don't get me wrong, they should be doing much, much, more than this with what they have. There has just got to be a minimum investment into the club when you might have three 4-5 WAR SP on the roster, with four massive arms (Luzardo, Sixto, Cabrera, Meyer) directly behind them who could all explode, with two super upside bats (Jazz, Sanchez) who also might explode, and decent complementary players surrounding them (Anderson, Rojas, Aguilar, Floro, Bender).

I'm at the cemented goalposts also. They will never care if they don't go for it right now with this team, the current short and longterm payroll, their minor league trade assets, just getting a TV deal/naming rights, and likely no more pandemic excuses in April. This is it. The Florida Panthers are spending $80m this season. The baseball team can surely do something.

[gustavopim]

I don't fault them for Marte and Duvall. They can't be signing Marte for something like 4/$75 and Duvall doesn't make sense with a long term agreement with Sanchez, Bleday, and Burdick (and Misner, Scott, others). Signing 33 year olds during the best season of their career would turn into a mess quickly.

We'll see what they do. I'm expecting a pitching trade for a young, longterm CF (call it Brandon Marsh type), a non-exciting veteran catcher who can handle the kids (call it Stallings), a free agent bat (call it Castellanos at best, and this could scale down to someone like Rizzo, C. Taylor, or worst case scenario a Canha/Eddie Rosario if the whiff on everyone), and then depth signings - ditching Cooper and getting a veteran utility infielder and a bullpen lefty. I am envisioning them taking swings at Bryan Reynolds, Ketel Marte, and Byron Buxton too (which would replace either the longterm CF or free agent bat above), but ultimately not willing to pay enormous prices in the form of 3 key assets to get any of them. If Pablo is also sacrificed in a trade, I can see a short term SP brought in also, call it Jon Gray best case scenario on a short "prove I am absolutely awesome out of Colorado" deal, or some project like James Paxton or Johnny Cueto and try and catch lightning for the first few months of the year before things are turned over to Sixto/Cabrera/Meyer/Nicolas.

They could very sneakily add 10 WAR with something like Marsh, Stallings, Castellanos/Taylor, and depth signings if everything works out perfectly. If everything cuts right with Sanchez/Jazz/Sixto/Cabrera and they stay healthy, it's getting into the 80s in wins quickly and then the 1 run/extra inning luck makes or breaks you.

Don't get me wrong, they should be doing much, much, more than this with what they have. There has just got to be a minimum investment into the club when you might have three 4-5 WAR SP on the roster, with four massive arms (Luzardo, Sixto, Cabrera, Meyer) directly behind them who could all explode, with two super upside bats (Jazz, Sanchez) who also might explode, and decent complementary players surrounding them (Anderson, Rojas, Aguilar, Floro, Bender).

I'm at the cemented goalposts also. They will never care if they don't go for it right now with this team, the current short and longterm payroll, their minor league trade assets, just getting a TV deal/naming rights, and likely no more pandemic excuses in April. This is it. The Florida Panthers are spending $80m this season. The baseball team can surely do something.

I get that Lou, but at the same time we had Duvall for another year at a cheap price and we traded him for a C that stroke out 50% of the plate appearances. Someone is going to get Marte the money he wants and it could've been us. I love your ideas, but realistically do you really expect them to do even 1/3 of all of that?

Over the last 5 years, they haven't spent a penny in signing free agents or extending contracts to anyone.... or for all that matters trading for impact players, like, we getting impact players. We only traded for prospects.

[Nick]

I get that Lou, but at the same time we had Duvall for another year at a cheap price and we traded him for a C that stroke out 50% of the plate appearances. Someone is going to get Marte the money he wants and it could've been us. I love your ideas, but realistically do you really expect them to do even 1/3 of all of that?

Over the last 5 years, they haven't spent a penny in signing free agents or extending contracts to anyone.... or for all that matters trading for impact players, like, we getting impact players. We only traded for prospects.

We traded for Marte.

[rmc523]

I get that Lou, but at the same time we had Duvall for another year at a cheap price and we traded him for a C that stroke out 50% of the plate appearances. Someone is going to get Marte the money he wants and it could've been us. I love your ideas, but realistically do you really expect them to do even 1/3 of all of that?

Over the last 5 years, they haven't spent a penny in signing free agents or extending contracts to anyone.... or for all that matters trading for impact players, like, we getting impact players. We only traded for prospects.

To be fair, Duvall's contract for next season was a mutual option for $7M, meaning BOTH sides would've had to exercise it. The Marlins obviously felt he wasn't going to exercise the option, and therefore got something for him rather than him walking for nothing. Obviously the return sucked, but how many times have we seen this team just let guys walk and get absolutely nothing for them....the Wittgrens, Hands, etc. of the world. Even if the return sucked in this instance, I'd rather have them make the move than get nothing.

[sports24/7]

Here’s an interview with Kim any. She didn’t really say a whole lot, but she did make it sound like they’re not going to go after a SS, (which I think we all assumed). There was also this:

Are you in a position where spending is not necessarily going to be an issue in terms of the free-agent market?

Ng: I think we're in pursuit of some really good offensive players, so I'm excited.

You can’t say that, and go out and sign a handful of mediocre players, right? If you do, how does anyone take you at face value moving forward?


https://www.mlb.com/marlins/news/kim...son-priorities

[rmc523]

Notable items from the Ng interview:

Will these bats come via free agency or trade?
Ng: It could be exclusively free agency. But that's why we're talking to all these clubs, too, is to figure out who's got bats available. Until we have an understanding of the whole market, we probably won't be able to determine how that's actually going to go.
Are you in a position where spending is not necessarily going to be an issue in terms of the free-agent market?
Ng: I think we're in pursuit of some really good offensive players, so I'm excited.
It's a stellar shortstop class. Is that an avenue the organization might pursue?
Ng: Given that we signed Miguel [Rojas] for two years, I think we're pretty solid there. I think we have other needs where that's where we're focused.
The top five free-agent shortstops are Carlos Correa, Corey Seager, Trevor Story, Javier B

I'd hope their "free agency" isn't scrap heap bats.



We'll see if their/her definition of "really good offensive players" and ours is the same.....



I don't disagree that there are more pressing holes than SS (CF and C, namely), but hopefully that answer about SS is just a "we're ok there if nothing happens" more than a "not even considering it".