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  • You’d have to think Mattingly gets fired soon, right? I mean who knows with this owner as there have been multiple times when it felt like it was coming. But things are embarrassingly bad right now, and while it’s not all (or even mostly, probably) his fault, he’s certainly not doing a good job, and won’t be back next year anyway. Might as well use him as the fall guy/shakeup that the organization needs right now.

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    • Everybody in the front office that signed off on the Avisail contract rates a sacking in my book. He's Lewis Brinson 53.0 ($53.0)

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      • Alex Vesia gave up a game tying grand slam tonight and then Jarlin Garcia gave up a go ahead 3 run HR. It’s been such a brutal week for Marlins fans but there’s that.

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        • Originally posted by sports24/7 View Post
          You’d have to think Mattingly gets fired soon, right? I mean who knows with this owner as there have been multiple times when it felt like it was coming. But things are embarrassingly bad right now, and while it’s not all (or even mostly, probably) his fault, he’s certainly not doing a good job, and won’t be back next year anyway. Might as well use him as the fall guy/shakeup that the organization needs right now.
          I was shocked that Donnie didn’t get launched after we got swept at home by the Phillies.

          But a 34 inning scoreless streak seems like a no brainer to shake things up.

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          • Originally posted by Namaste View Post

            I was shocked that Donnie didn’t get launched after we got swept at home by the Phillies.

            But a 34 inning scoreless streak seems like a no brainer to shake things up.
            His comments after the game yesterday seemed pretty critical of the FO. So that time may be getting close.

            Said we've got a bunch of "the same guys in the lineup". Basically power guys who haven't hit for power. lol

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            • just go give up the farm for soto and see if him and sandy and jazz can carry you for a few years. if you're not in contention at the deadline of the year he is to become a free agent, deal him to recoup the prospects.

              Eury, Rogers, Watson, Cabrera, Salas/Lewis,

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              • kind of glad they are shitting the bed against these terrible teams. this team is not a piece away from contending unless that piece is a superstar. to go out and give up pieces on the farm for stop gap players who will likely regress with us is not the move. Trade the ancillary pieces as well as pablo and just go all in on bats from other teams and try to figure out how to find some productive pieces that you can pair with the pitching and jazz.

                Id be cool dealing cooper, Anderson, rojas, soler, and though no one will take him, obviously garcia. Give up bass and other bullpen arms too if you can get a upper minors level prospect.

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                • Originally posted by fish16 View Post
                  just go give up the farm for soto and see if him and sandy and jazz can carry you for a few years. if you're not in contention at the deadline of the year he is to become a free agent, deal him to recoup the prospects.

                  Eury, Rogers, Watson, Cabrera, Salas/Lewis,
                  no!

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                  • Originally posted by fish16 View Post
                    kind of glad they are shitting the bed against these terrible teams. this team is not a piece away from contending unless that piece is a superstar. to go out and give up pieces on the farm for stop gap players who will likely regress with us is not the move. Trade the ancillary pieces as well as pablo and just go all in on bats from other teams and try to figure out how to find some productive pieces that you can pair with the pitching and jazz.

                    Id be cool dealing cooper, Anderson, rojas, soler, and though no one will take him, obviously garcia. Give up bass and other bullpen arms too if you can get a upper minors level prospect.
                    Yes!
                    (Although this organization is not trading Captain Rojas, and they should probably keep Soler as the statcast says the dingers are coming so he can still be a big asset.)


                    I'd move for sure:

                    Centerpieces
                    Pablo
                    Cabrera (or perhaps Meyer or Rogers or Eder or Fulton depending on the target)

                    Great 2nd/3rd pieces
                    Anderson
                    Cooper or Lewin
                    Wendle (or Rojas if I am wrong about them not moving him)
                    Bass
                    Berti
                    Okert
                    and Bleier if someone takes his contract
                    (If a real overpay, Stallings and Soler can be added)

                    Throw ins
                    Sulser
                    Floro
                    Aguilar (eat salary to get anything)
                    Any quantity of prospects outside Marlins top 20
                    (Obviously Garcia if someone would take him, but not in a prospect dump scenario)

                    Roll out:

                    Fortes, Stallings
                    Lewin/Cooper
                    Jazz
                    Rojas, ______
                    _____, Williams
                    Bleday
                    _____, Sanchez
                    Garcia
                    Soler

                    Sandy, Luzardo, Meyer, Rogers, Garrett
                    _____, Bender, Pop, Poteet, Hernandez
                    Scott, ______, Castano/Nardi

                    That's roughly $52m with Lewin and $56m with Cooper, take your pick.

                    If we assume three blank lines are massive club controlled players as trading all of that above should easily do that, a $22.5m Nimmo/Swanson easily fits in under $80m and now we're talking 4th SP/major RP upgrades and that's likely it. That can probably be done under $90m, especially if it's Lewin not Cooper. Also can dip into farm further for another luxury upgrade as they could put together another good 3 prospect package (something like Salas/Watson, Burdick/Lewis/Cappe/Fulton, and Reynolds/Soriano/Fitterer) and that probably gets a pretty good arm upgrade somewhere as a FV50, FV45, and FV40 prospect package is very decent.

                    It is lacking to be a true contender in 2023 for sure so maybe this is "wasting" a Sandy year.... but if it's 3 big prospects in those trades (call it Gorman, K. Lewis, and N.Marte as mused above) and then we add Eury, Berry, Eder, and Sixto on top of that next year minimum, it starts getting VERY interesting to me very quickly.

                    Also Bruce could, you know, go to $115m and drop Trea Turner on top of this and now it's a legit contender. We can dream.



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                    • Mish is suggesting a Bleday call up is imminent, and Diaz could finally get his shot. That obviously makes a ton of sense, but with this group, I’ll believe it when I see it.

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                      • Originally posted by sports24/7 View Post
                        Mish is suggesting a Bleday call up is imminent, and Diaz could finally get his shot. That obviously makes a ton of sense, but with this group, I’ll believe it when I see it.
                        Jazz is out 6 weeks now. That's any hope in the season.

                        Blast out those dudes I mentioned above. Do it now. Who cares.


                        This is $52 million which is nothing.

                        Fortes, Stallings
                        Lewin
                        Jazz
                        Rojas, ______
                        _____, Williams (---> Berry)
                        Bleday
                        _____, Sanchez
                        Garcia
                        Soler

                        Sandy, Luzardo, Meyer, Rogers/Garrett, _______ (---> Eury, Eder, Sixto)
                        _____, Bender, Pop, Poteet, Hernandez
                        Scott, Rogers/Garrett, Castano/Nardi/____


                        And doesn't include trade assets for moving Pablo/Cabrera/an entire IF(!) of Cooper-Berti-Wendle-Anderson/Bass/Relievers. That plus at least $25m to spend (hopefully more) has to be able to field those 5-6 blank lines. 3 epic bats, an innings eater while we wait for Eury/Eder/Sixto, and luxury relievers.

                        No excuses. You're good at finding pitching. Sacrifice it for longterm bats and then do what you do - find pitching.

                        Basically do what you should have done this last offseason.

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                        • jazz has a stress fracture in his back and is out another 6 weeks. sell sell sell please please please.

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                          • There has to be a team interested in Soler for a bag of peanuts, right? If so, he’s gotta go too.

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                            • Originally posted by sports24/7 View Post
                              You’d have to think Mattingly gets fired soon, right? I mean who knows with this owner as there have been multiple times when it felt like it was coming. But things are embarrassingly bad right now, and while it’s not all (or even mostly, probably) his fault, he’s certainly not doing a good job, and won’t be back next year anyway. Might as well use him as the fall guy/shakeup that the organization needs right now.
                              Sad thing is I’m not so convinced he won’t be back next year…

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                              • Originally posted by lou View Post

                                Jazz is out 6 weeks now. That's any hope in the season.

                                Blast out those dudes I mentioned above. Do it now. Who cares.


                                This is $52 million which is nothing.

                                Fortes, Stallings
                                Lewin
                                Jazz
                                Rojas, ______
                                _____, Williams (---> Berry)
                                Bleday
                                _____, Sanchez
                                Garcia
                                Soler

                                Sandy, Luzardo, Meyer, Rogers/Garrett, _______ (---> Eury, Eder, Sixto)
                                _____, Bender, Pop, Poteet, Hernandez
                                Scott, Rogers/Garrett, Castano/Nardi/____


                                And doesn't include trade assets for moving Pablo/Cabrera/an entire IF(!) of Cooper-Berti-Wendle-Anderson/Bass/Relievers. That plus at least $25m to spend (hopefully more) has to be able to field those 5-6 blank lines. 3 epic bats, an innings eater while we wait for Eury/Eder/Sixto, and luxury relievers.

                                No excuses. You're good at finding pitching. Sacrifice it for longterm bats and then do what you do - find pitching.

                                Basically do what you should have done this last offseason.
                                Send down Sanchez for some work and trade Pablo, Aguilar just to dump him, Cooper if there is value, Bass, Soler if you can find a taker, and just DFA Stallings or don't play him. Call up Bleday, Lewin, Leblanc, Jake Fishman, and Josh Simpson.

                                Let the kids play the end of the year and when sanchez gets hot in AAA, bring him back up and just let him take Garcia's playing time in RF or just pure platoon the two of them.

                                C- Fortes/Stallings
                                1b- Lewin
                                2b- Leblanc
                                SS- Rojas
                                3b- Wendle
                                LF- Anderson
                                CF- Bleday
                                RF- Sanchez/Garcia
                                DH- Who fucking cares
                                SP- Sandy, Meyer, Cabrera, Garrett, Luzardo when they come back

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