2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[Nick]

The Padres gave up a haul, but getting Bell in the deal as well was pretty shrewd by Preller.

It's a huge haul, but somehow still doesn't seem like enough.

[fish16]

Why do any of us care about OPS versus wins?

Do you think there is a difference between a 4.5WAR player who hits .775 OPS/great defender or .875 OPS/poor defender? Both are 4.5 WAR in this. Is one better? Everyone is 28 and all things equal with the contract.

1) I've seen this marlins lineup for 4 years. They need star hitters, not defensive value.
2) Defensive value is much more subjective and subject to variance than offensive value on a year to year basis. Kind of like how you penciled in Stallings for 2-3 war based on defensive value and I told you he couldn't hit his way out of a wet paper bag and this year he grades negatively defensively and has a negative WAR. Offensive value is much more easily quantifiable, and I'll take the two players whose 4th or 5th best year would be Swanson's career year this year offensively.
3) Paying 20 million+ a year for 4+ years for defensive value is idiotic. Again, he has graded out as an above average hitter 2 times in 7 years in an unbelievable lineup and you're once again suggesting to buy high off of a career year. He comes here and his OPS will be around .750 and he'll put up 2-3 WAR. He is a good, but not special hitter. you're penciling him in for 4.5+ WAR when this year, in a contract year, is the first time he;s been anywhere near there, and again, it's coming surrounded by Acuna, Albies, Ozuna, Olson, Contreras, and Riley. He's not a bad player, but if you bring him here, based on our track record, his offensive numbers will go down in our ballpark and our lineup.

bottom line is this lineup needs a cornerstone star to pair with Jazz and whoever they get for Pablo long term and hopefully bleday and eventually berry.

[fish16]

we made a trade. Zach pop to toronto. Jordan Groshans coming back

[fish16]

anthony bass also gone.

[sports24/7]

Bass and Pop to Toronto for Groshans. That actually feels like a decent return, no?

[fish16]

mlb has groshans as toronto's 4th best prospect. SS. Having a down year but 12th overall pick a few years ago with a good hit tool. Top 100 prospect. Good trade.

[fish16]

Bass and Pop to Toronto for Groshans. That actually feels like a decent return, no?

2 decent relievers for a top 100 hitting prospect works for me!

[Namaste]

Groshans is Toronto’s #4 prospect

[fish16]

Baseball america recently updated their list and they have Groshans 3rd. They graded him: Scouting Grades:
Hit: 55. Power: 50. Speed: 40. Fielding: 45. Arm: 60.

[lou]

Bass and Pop to Toronto for Groshans. That actually feels like a decent return, no?

A+ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fish16]

top prospect but down year for Groshans. It's a change of scenery hope for the best move for a former top prospect having a down year for 2 decent bullpen arms. His power has disappeared though. We seem to make trades with only the Blue Jays, Rays

[lou]

1) I've seen this marlins lineup for 4 years. They need star hitters, not defensive value.
2) Defensive value is much more subjective and subject to variance than offensive value on a year to year basis. Kind of like how you penciled in Stallings for 2-3 war based on defensive value and I told you he couldn't hit his way out of a wet paper bag and this year he grades negatively defensively and has a negative WAR. Offensive value is much more easily quantifiable, and I'll take the two players whose 4th or 5th best year would be Swanson's career year this year offensively.
3) Paying 20 million+ a year for 4+ years for defensive value is idiotic. Again, he has graded out as an above average hitter 2 times in 7 years in an unbelievable lineup and you're once again suggesting to buy high off of a career year. He comes here and his OPS will be around .750 and he'll put up 2-3 WAR. He is a good, but not special hitter. you're penciling him in for 4.5+ WAR when this year, in a contract year, is the first time he;s been anywhere near there, and again, it's coming surrounded by Acuna, Albies, Ozuna, Olson, Contreras, and Riley. He's not a bad player, but if you bring him here, based on our track record, his offensive numbers will go down in our ballpark and our lineup.

bottom line is this lineup needs a cornerstone star to pair with Jazz and whoever they get for Pablo long term and hopefully bleday and eventually berry.

Worked out for Andrelton Simmons/Kiermaier contracts for the msot part. It is all relative.

However I do agree the team needs to SCORE runs and not just PREVENT them. However, you buy what is undervalued in the marketplace ala Billy Beane. Take what you can get.

I LOVE the Groshans return for two relievers. I like Pop but he can be replaced.

[sports24/7]

As down as I’ve been on Ng, she deserves credit here. Getting a top 100 prospect for a couple of relievers, neither of them being a closer, or really even a set-up man, is good work. If she can now do the same with Pablo and/or Cooper, we could maybe start giving her more benefit of the doubt.

[gustavopim]

Solid trade. One thing that everyone here in this board seems to have forgotten is that everyone grade the trades/offseason acquisitions made by our GM B+ or A. Now in hindsight they all sucked, but at the time she did a good job. Let's see how it turns out.

[sports24/7]

The pessimistic view here would be that you’re getting a guy whose hitting has dipped a bit this year, and putting him in an organization that hasn’t been able to develop hitters. But you weren’t getting a slam dunk prospect for these players, and where the organization is, you want a guy like this who’s close over a lower level guy that may eventually have a higher upside.