2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[Lee Stone]

We had a comparable trade situation in the Realmuto deal. Contreras has two years of control and similar (slightly higher) salary. The Phillies gave up Sixto, Alfaro, and Stewart. Accordingly,, the Marlins would have to give up Cabrera or Bleday as the headliner. Although I wouldn't mind parting with Bleday in such a deal, Cabrera would be completely off the table. I'd prefer to go with numbers ... maybe Garrett or Hernandez, Neidert, Jesus Sanchez, and Jose Devers. While Contreras would be of immediate help, I would regard him more as trade bait for an excellent young catcher with a full six years of control ... like Luis Campusano.

[tjfla]

We had a comparable trade situation in the Realmuto deal. Contreras has two years of control and similar (slightly higher) salary. The Phillies gave up Sixto, Alfaro, and Stewart. Accordingly,, the Marlins would have to give up Cabrera or Bleday as the headliner. Although I wouldn't mind parting with Bleday in such a deal, Cabrera would be completely off the table. I'd prefer to go with numbers ... maybe Garrett or Hernandez, Neidert, Jesus Sanchez, and Jose Devers. While Contreras would be of immediate help, I would regard him more as trade bait for an excellent young catcher with a full six years of control ... like Luis Campusano.

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More Mish on a potential Contreras deal:


"If his deal ever happens the Cubs will not be getting anywhere close to JJ Bleday. Names I've heard are not in the Marlins top 10."

Mish is pretty tuned in!! I have heard same thing however should note I dont consider Monte a prospect and have heard Braxton Garrett(Top 10 prospect) OR Elieser names floated

Names I have heard are Breidy/Eury Perez/Both Rodriguez 3B/Alegre/Maycold/Junior Sanchez. This is why I keep mentioning it as 2 DSL prospects

[Nick]

Again


More Mish on a potential Contreras deal:


"If his deal ever happens the Cubs will not be getting anywhere close to JJ Bleday. Names I've heard are not in the Marlins top 10."

Mish is pretty tuned in!! I have heard same thing however should note I dont consider Monte a prospect and have heard Braxton Garrett(Top 10 prospect) OR Elieser names floated

Names I have heard are Breidy/Eury Perez/Both Rodriguez 3B/Alegre/Maycold/Junior Sanchez. This is why I keep mentioning it as 2 DSL prospects

But couldn't that quote mean that the Marlins are not willing to give up one of their top 5 prospects, not necessarily that the Cubs aren't asking for their Top Prospects?

[tjfla]

But couldn't that quote mean that the Marlins are not willing to give up one of their top 5 prospects, not necessarily that the Cubs aren't asking for their Top Prospects?

I guess but names I have heard discussed only 1 is Top 10 and thats Garrett. The rest are Elieser/Monte/Harold/Alfaro and DSL names mentioned. Heard others but again mid to low level guys NOT in Top 10(Burdick was mentioned)

Its like Boston. Miami called heard Bleday or Cabrera and said see ya. Miami called Chicago heard names and talks are ongoing

No suprise but Miami has soured on Monte. They have pushed him in alot of talks this winter

[Lee Stone]

Top ten prospects is also a fluid list. Baseball Prospectus is the most recent list for 2021 and guys like Jesus Sanchez and Monte Harrison are tumbling out while Burdick and Nassim Nunez have climbed into it.

[tjfla]

Top ten prospects is also a fluid list. Baseball Prospectus is the most recent list for 2021 and guys like Jesus Sanchez and Monte Harrison are tumbling out while Burdick and Nassim Nunez have climbed into it.

Well I just hope they dont look at your Top 10 list. We know who u like

[fish16]

if the cubs want lower level guys we absolutely need to make the deal happen for contreras. It wouldnt affect anything in the next 3 years, keeps our surplus of close to ML ready pitching, and we dont have to part with any of the promising young bats that arent far off. Absolutely need to go for it and maybe even give contreras a 2-3 year extension to keep him under team control for 4-5 years as opposed to 2. His improvement over Alfaro is enormous and would pay huge dividends right away. With alfaro we have a legit bad bottom of the order given that Jazz/Isan might struggle plus other young bats who come up in the year might as well. Adding a legit top 5 catcher with a quality bat really improves not only our ceiling but especially our floor as a lineup.

Alfaro flat out cannot be the starter next year if we have any realistic hopes of being a legit contender.

[fauowls44]

Phillies signed Archie Bradley to a 1 year $6 million deal. Pretty good price. Hope the Marlins can sign a closer soon. There are still plenty of solid options that can be had for a similar price tag...Mark Melancon, Shane Greene, Trevor Rosenthal, Ian Kennedy, Roberto Osuna, Brandon Workman, and of course Brandon Kintzler and Sergio Romo.

[Nick]

Phillies signed Archie Bradley to a 1 year $6 million deal. Pretty good price. Hope the Marlins can sign a closer soon. There are still plenty of solid options that can be had for a similar price tag...Mark Melancon, Shane Greene, Trevor Rosenthal, Ian Kennedy, Roberto Osuna, Brandon Workman, and of course Brandon Kintzler and Sergio Romo.

To me if you want to contend you gotta give us something along the lines of:

Trade for Contreras.
Sign Joc Pederson
Sign Brad Hand
Sign Mark Melancon

I think you could do that for around a $50 million commitment over the next 2 years. With 2 years of control for each of those guys except maybe just 1 for Melancon. Seems completely doable with how low our payroll is. FO needs to get it done.

[fish16]

i dont see the need for joc pederson but contreras and 2 relievers is a must. that would be a phenomenal offseason. maybe a flier on a very cheap veteran SP option too in order to give some protection to the young arms and to make sure we dont have to rush them

[fish16]

yidde cappe officially signed btw. been rumored for like 2 years but now its official.

[Nick]

i dont see the need for joc pederson but contreras and 2 relievers is a must. that would be a phenomenal offseason. maybe a flier on a very cheap veteran SP option too in order to give some protection to the young arms and to make sure we dont have to rush them

Have they decided on whether there's going to be a DH yet? If there's a DH I think it's a necessity. No DH, maybe a lesser bat is needed, but still I think I'd like one more bat in the mix, preferably a HR threat.

[Lee Stone]

So, I'm saying there's a chance (tiny as it may be).

I’m going to compare Burdick’s budding career to a player who was drafted 26 spots behind Colin Moran in 2013: Aaron Judge.

Judge’s third and final year at Fresno State: 242 PA 12 HR, 36 RBI .369 BA .461 OBP and 1.117 OPS
Burdick’s third and final year at Wright State. 286 PA 15 HR 72 RBI .407 BA .538 OBP and 1.267 OPS

Judge’s 2014 season in A-Ball 278 PA 9 HR 45 RBI .333 BA .428 OBP and .958 OPS
Burdick 2019 season in A-Ball 287 PA 10 HR 59 RBI .307 BA .407 OBP and .950 OPS

You never know.

[rmc523]

Have they decided on whether there's going to be a DH yet? If there's a DH I think it's a necessity. No DH, maybe a lesser bat is needed, but still I think I'd like one more bat in the mix, preferably a HR threat.

I think they've implied no, but I don't know if there's been anything official.

And in my view, the only reason they haven't is so MLB can hold that as a bargaining chip in the upcoming CBA negotiations, which is stupid. It's time, just do it.

[sports24/7]

Contreras posted a video of him hitting a HR at Marlins stadium with eye emojis on his Instagram feed just now. Who knows if it means anything.