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  • the giants being buyers is absolute stupidity. its like the marlins for so many years who refused to acknowledge their team is in no way shape or form a contender but trading away prospects for mediocre players anyways.

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    • When did any of us predict this to ever be written about the Marlins:

      The star of this deal is Miami’s scouting department, on both the pro (which likely knew the background on Diaz) and amateur (which found Vallimont at a Division-II school in last years fifth round) side, even if Sergio Romo has a sizable impact on the postseason race. The Marlins flipped a rental reliever and recent fifth rounder for what might be a long term answer at first base. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/it-may-r...in-diaz-trade/

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      • Rojas is good. They should keep him for next year unless they get a really good deal for him.

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        • How does Mattingly not intentionally walk Marte there? Holy shit

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          Originally posted by lou View Post
          Rojas is good. They should keep him for next year unless they get a really good deal for him.
          He’s a Hechavarria clone.

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          • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
            How does Mattingly not intentionally walk Marte there? Holy shit

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            He’s a Hechavarria clone.
            Best .718 OPS for the year and .660 for his career player of all time, that's for sure.

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            • Give me Rojas over Hech all the time. Career WAR agrees with me.

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              • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
                Give me Rojas over Hech all the time. Career WAR agrees with me.
                hech literally has a higher WAR over the time period since they have both been in the league. The only reason rojas' career war is even 1 WAR better is because Hech was foolishly being played everyday despite not being a major leaguer for 2-3 years at the time Rojas was still playing terribly in AA.

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                im also not arguing that hech is at all good.

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                anderson with his 15th hr already. He is never gonna be a star but he's a damn good long term 3b until we get someone who we think is a star. Plus his OF/3b versatility is really gonna help moving forward if some of these OF guys dont pan out.

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                anderson and alfaro really seem like the perfect 6-7 hitters on a contender.

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                • smith has been really fucking good since coming back from injury and it looks like he's taking a next step in being able to go deeper into games by having a more manageable pitch count.

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                  • Conley sucking again.

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                    • How is Conley this bad now?

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                      • Gotta trade Castro and Walker for some lefties

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                        Apparently Cards like Caleb - https://twitter.com/markasaxon/status/1155984914904256512.

                        I mean duh he's good.

                        Cards farm isn't that great depth wise, but they have 3 high end guys (one being a catcher and no way that's happening with Molina being ancient and Alfaro is solid w/ Banfield). You'd need Gorman (Top 40 prospect), Carlson (Top 100 prospect, 1st round pedigree), I. Herrera (ascending catcher), and Sosa (Rojas replacement) to even get the conversation started for me. Maybe another fleeting guy or some IFA or eat Castro's money. That's probably like $85 million in surplus value based on projections.

                        That's valuing Caleb as something like a 2.5 WAR starting pitcher (2.6 in his career over 186 IP) over 5 years with semi-notable salaries.

                        Hard to see the Cards doing something like that, but feel free to offer everything you got Cards.

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                        • Crazy trade idea of the day:

                          This originated from reading the Angels were interested in Zack Greinke.

                          To the Angels:

                          Caleb Smith
                          Jorge Alfaro
                          Wei-Yin Chen

                          To the Marlins:
                          Jo Adell
                          Jared Walsh

                          Even with Chen's contract, Smith is cheaper than Greinke. Trading Alfaro is tough, but Angels need a catcher and I'm thinking it would take Alfaro to get this done. For us we get a Top 5 prospect in baseball, a major-league ready bat and lou's coveted left-handed reliever in one guy. Plus we get rid of Chen and his dumbass contract. We're free to spend all kinds of money in Free Agency the next 3 years. (Gotta sign Cole in the offseason in this scenario)

                          I'm sure the Angels would never do it, but I thought it was a fun idea.

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                          • Originally posted by ¿NICK? View Post
                            Crazy trade idea of the day:

                            This originated from reading the Angels were interested in Zack Greinke.

                            To the Angels:

                            Caleb Smith
                            Jorge Alfaro
                            Wei-Yin Chen

                            To the Marlins:
                            Jo Adell
                            Jared Walsh

                            Even with Chen's contract, Smith is cheaper than Greinke. Trading Alfaro is tough, but Angels need a catcher and I'm thinking it would take Alfaro to get this done. For us we get a Top 5 prospect in baseball, a major-league ready bat and lou's coveted left-handed reliever in one guy. Plus we get rid of Chen and his dumbass contract. We're free to spend all kinds of money in Free Agency the next 3 years. (Gotta sign Cole in the offseason in this scenario)

                            I'm sure the Angels would never do it, but I thought it was a fun idea.
                            I'd do that without Chen and screw the surplus value analysis, as trying to swing for the fences with true superstar upside in Adell is worth Caleb and Alfaro.

                            Hell. Give'em Brinson, Castro, and Walker too, and take back Cozart and Bour which absorbs their payroll.

                            Definitely a fun idea, but sadly not one I think they can take advantage of.

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                            • so are we gonna trade walker, granderson, and anyone else? Havent heard anything about anyone aside from some of the bullpen arms. They need to get whatever they can for Walker at least.

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                              • Good article on 40 man crunches - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-40-m...impact-trades/

                                Yankees, Rays, and Padres are going to lose multiple players so it makes sense for them to consolidate talent into a single asset.

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