July 2019 Game Thread

[Lee Stone]

ah yes, because everyone knows that winning minor league titles are much more important than the development of the young prospects with an actual chance to be part of this organization long term.

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Berti also isnt good. Not sure why he gets love. The guy had 17 games and 50 ab's at Nola and all of a sudden lee stone wants to put him at the top of the order despite the fact that he's a career. .704 career minor league OPS in 3000 ab's.

Actually it was the New Orleans manager, not me, that put Berti at the top of the order prior to his latest injury. He was 9 for his last 20 with 3 homers before getting hurt July 3.

[Nick]

I dont think either Berti or Alvarez are anything special, but I do think they'd give you more than Herrera and Rivera have the last 2 years.

[fish16]

Actually it was the New Orleans manager, not me, that put Berti at the top of the order prior to his latest injury. He was 9 for his last 20 with 3 homers before getting hurt July 3.

ya, because monte harrison was injured. Ill take a 3000 ab sample size of abject mediocrity over a 20 ab sample size. What is it about career mediocre minor leaguers that you consistently fall in love with?

[lou]

ya, because monte harrison was injured. Ill take a 3000 ab sample size of abject mediocrity over a 20 ab sample size. What is it about career mediocre minor leaguers that you consistently fall in love with?

But what about 19 inning sample sizes from relievers?

[Lee Stone]

ya, because monte harrison was injured. Ill take a 3000 ab sample size of abject mediocrity over a 20 ab sample size. What is it about career mediocre minor leaguers that you consistently fall in love with?

What you have become is vastly more important than what you used to be. (Well, unless you are free agent trying to get a big contract ... then what you used to be means evertyhing!)

Is Austin Brice success to be ignored or taken lightly because he has always sucked in the past? He's changed his approach substantially, relying on a curveball now. He's not the same pitcher.

[fish16]

But what about 19 inning sample sizes from relievers?

ill take the word of people who actually know what the offers were that the marlins completely fucked up selling high on a reliever yet again.

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What you have become is vastly more important than what you used to be. (Well, unless you are free agent trying to get a big contract ... then what you used to be means evertyhing!)

Is Austin Brice success to be ignored or taken lightly because he has always sucked in the past? He's changed his approach substantially, relying on a curveball now. He's not the same pitcher.

no, its not more important than what you used to be when the sample you are using to establish that someone has become something is a 20 ab sample size. the guy didnt just go from being a career mediocre minor leaguer to a surefire major league talent in 20 ab's.

Austin brice's success is to be taken with a grain of salt because his entire career he has been unable to consistently throw strikes.

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and it wasnt 19 innings, it was 25 innings before the all star break in which he had a 30/9 K/BB ratio, a 2.88 ERA, and a .143 BAA. On top of the fact that it was his first professional experience out of the bullpen where there were significant increases in his fastball velocity and the effectiveness of his offspeed pitches.

But please continue to rationalize an idiotic decision to not sell high on a reliever when it has been established multiple times that there was an significant market for him last year.

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Adam conley also had 2 out of 3 years with decent enough success as a starter and several effective relievers have been former mediocre starters like Wade Davis, Hand, Andrew Miller, as well as many others, for teams to have thought enough of him for us to have gotten a good package for him at the deadline last year.

[Lee Stone]

ill take the word of people who actually know what the offers were that the marlins completely fucked up selling high on a reliever yet again.

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no, its not more important than what you used to be when the sample you are using to establish that someone has become something is a 20 ab sample size. the guy didnt just go from being a career mediocre minor leaguer to a surefire major league talent in 20 ab's.

Austin brice's success is to be taken with a grain of salt because his entire career he has been unable to consistently throw strikes.

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and it wasnt 19 innings, it was 25 innings before the all star break in which he had a 30/9 K/BB ratio, a 2.88 ERA, and a .143 BAA. On top of the fact that it was his first professional experience out of the bullpen where there were significant increases in his fastball velocity and the effectiveness of his offspeed pitches.

But please continue to rationalize an idiotic decision to not sell high on a reliever when it has been established multiple times that there was an significant market for him last year.

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Adam conley also had 2 out of 3 years with decent enough success as a starter and several effective relievers have been former mediocre starters like Wade Davis, Hand, Andrew Miller, as well as many others, for teams to have thought enough of him for us to have gotten a good package for him at the deadline last year.

Incidentally, these are Austin Nola's early returns from his call up to Seattle as a catcher: AL MLB 20 34 5 11 19 2 0 2 3 1 0 10 0 0 .324 .361 .559 .920
I point this out because you totally denigrated my previous post suggesting that Nola seemed to have reinvented himself with a move to catching a couple years ago. Players can and do evolve.

[Nick]

Incidentally, these are Austin Nola's early returns from his call up to Seattle as a catcher: AL MLB 20 34 5 11 19 2 0 2 3 1 0 10 0 0 .324 .361 .559 .920
I point this out because you totally denigrated my previous post suggesting that Nola seemed to have reinvented himself with a move to catching a couple years ago. Players can and do evolve.

34 ABs man, he could go 0-5 today and all of a sudden his stats are mediocre.

[fish16]

Incidentally, these are Austin Nola's early returns from his call up to Seattle as a catcher: AL MLB 20 34 5 11 19 2 0 2 3 1 0 10 0 0 .324 .361 .559 .920
I point this out because you totally denigrated my previous post suggesting that Nola seemed to have reinvented himself with a move to catching a couple years ago. Players can and do evolve.

you really just dont understand the concept of small sample sizes in baseball do you?

[Lee Stone]

34 ABs man, he could go 0-5 today and all of a sudden his stats are mediocre.

Yes, 34. You are forgetting that the Mariners chose to promote him for a reason.

[fish16]

Yes, 34. You are forgetting that the Mariners chose to promote him for a reason.

because they fucking suck and have traded away and will continue to trade away any quality veteran pieces they have before the deadline.

[Nick]

Yes, 34. You are forgetting that the Mariners chose to promote him for a reason.

???

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Bryan Holaday has an .890 OPS in 48 ABs this year, why isn't he starting for a contender, right now?

[fish16]

a 29 year old journeyman named alex dickerson is hitting .342 in 79 ab's this year. Future hall of famer??

[lou]

Players can and do evolve.

But not Sandy who is going to have his BB rate forever?

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To get a hitter who might really matter (M Andujar or Frazier from Yankees, for example), I dangle Alcantara. The silly All Star appointment actually adds to momentary value. Beneath the surface, his WHIP numbers over the last few seasons indicate that he won't be excellent. Too much contact and too many BB.

Sandy can't evolve guys.

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Those were 6 days apart for the record.

[fish16]

But not Sandy who is going to have his BB rate forever?

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Sandy can't evolve guys.

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Those were 6 days apart for the record.

thats amazing. You'd think he would learn that his evaluation methods are horrendous when every single one of these super AAAA prospects he loves flames out consistently.