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  • im actually fine with having him pitch to acuna. he had only given up 1 run at that point and we still had a 3 run lead, he's been decent enough this year, and he's your closer. Kinley in the next inning is unacceptable.

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    • Originally posted by fish16 View Post
      im actually fine with having him pitch to acuna. he had only given up 1 run at that point and we still had a 3 run lead, he's been decent enough this year, and he's your closer. Kinley in the next inning is unacceptable.
      Agreed, he's the veteran of the bullpen, the closer, you let him try to get out of it. It was the right call. Kinley being just up from AAA and letting him walk 4 in a row is more egregious, you had other guys who I think you'd at least view as Kinley's equals that you could've replaced him with, and did replace him with in Garcia, but it was too late.

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      • Originally posted by fish16 View Post
        im actually fine with having him pitch to acuna. he had only given up one run at that point and we still had a 3 run lead, he's been decent enough this year, and he's your closer. Kinley in the next inning is unacceptable.
        ..........and a double to Flowers, a wild pitch, a walk, a balk and a single to Camargo.

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        • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
          ..........and a double to Flowers, a wild pitch, a walk, a balk and a single to Camargo.
          Cool, and all of that added up, to that point, to how many runs? The exact number i stated. He's your closer, he had given up 1 run, and was a ground ball from ending the game. Im fine with you arguing that he should have taken him out at that point, but im not sure who you wanted to put in at that situation who was better. It's questionable, sure, but its not an egregious move, and ive said time and time again that Mattingly is a horrendous manager.

          Also, that "single" to camargo is a relatively routine shallow fly ball that got down because im assuming we had the outfield playing way back. You can see Romo pissed from the replay the second that ball got down.

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          • Romo was clearly a pitcher who had it all under control when Acuna stepped to the plate.

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            • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
              Romo was clearly a pitcher who had it all under control when Acuna stepped to the plate.
              No, he’s just your closer and probably sadly your most reliable reliever, and had only given up 1 run and should have had 2 outs and one on in any normal situation where we were weren’t trying to protect the lead with the outfield back. Who should he have put in?

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              • Originally posted by fish16 View Post
                No, he’s just your closer and probably sadly your most reliable reliever, and had only given up 1 run and should have had 2 outs and one on in any normal situation where we were weren’t trying to protect the lead with the outfield back. Who should he have put in?
                Anyone else that was left in the pen because, even though he’s the closer, he clearly didn’t have his best stuff.

                He gave up a double, a walk, a balk and a single before he faced Acuna.

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                • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
                  Anyone else that was left in the pen because, even though he’s the closer, he clearly didn’t have his best stuff.

                  He gave up a double, a walk, a balk and a single before he faced Acuna.
                  A balk isn’t something that has anything to do with his effectiveness throwing the ball so I’m not sure why you keep mentioning that, and again, he had only given up a run to that point, and he should have had two outs and one on if we were just playing normally. You say anyone else in the pen, name someone who you would have felt at all comfortable with coming in to face acuna with two on and 1 out In the top of the 9th

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                  • Originally posted by fish16 View Post
                    and he should have had two outs and one on if we were just playing normally.
                    If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. He gave up a fucking single. And a balk is relevant. How many times has Romo balked this season? It illustrates he is struggling with focus. Whatever, man. You’ll argue this for a fucking year.

                    I would have put anyone in. Because Romo gave up a double, a walk, a balk and a single before Acuna. Romo didn’t have it yesterday. So I would have gone with anyone else but him to face Acuna. Because no one in the pen had already given up a double, a walk, a balk and a single. Is that clear enough for you?



                    Don’t answer that.
                    Last edited by Namaste; 06-10-2019, 06:50 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
                      Hmmmmm it seems you did not understand my post. I’m not saying it was a mistake to have Romo start the 9th with a 4-run lead.

                      The unforgivable mistake was having Romo continue pitching when it reached the point of it being a 3 run lead and Acuna being the tying run in the batters box
                      So, who’s the great replacement for Romo in that inning then?

                      Also, since you watched the game, you would know that the single to Camargo before Acuña’s AB was a bloop hit.

                      Again, what was available in the pen were guys like Kinley who you already admitted isn’t good. Or maybe he should have gone to Conley who ended up with the loss anyway — his SIXTH loss of the year already.

                      Mattingly can’t get outs for the relievers. He had already used up Guerrero, Brice and Anderson — not that those guys are great either.

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                      Originally posted by Namaste View Post
                      Romo was clearly a pitcher who had it all under control when Acuna stepped to the plate.

                      Tyler Kinley and Adam Conley clearly would’ve gotten out of the jam. They’ve been great all year, including yesterday.

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                      • The first person I would have given the ball to after I removed Romo from the game would have been Brigham and his 3.62 xFIP.

                        Give me the 3.62 guy instead of the 5.80 xFIP guy all day every day vs Acuna.

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                        • Brigham, I'm guessing wasn't available after going 3 innings on Friday.

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                          • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
                            The first person I would have given the ball to after I removed Romo from the game would have been Brigham and his 3.62 xFIP.

                            Give me the 3.62 guy instead of the 5.80 xFIP guy all day every day vs Acuna.
                            Fair enough, I hope Brigham gets more of a shot as the season continues. I really like his stuff out of the pen.
                            As was mentioned though, Brigham did throw 48 pitches on Friday.

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                            • Originally posted by Namaste View Post
                              If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. He gave up a fucking single. And a balk is relevant. How many times has Romo balked this season? It illustrates he is struggling with focus. Whatever, man. You’ll argue this for a fucking year.

                              I would have put anyone in. Because Romo gave up a double, a walk, a balk and a single before Acuna. Romo didn’t have it yesterday. So I would have gone with anyone else but him to face Acuna. Because no one in the pen had already given up a double, a walk, a balk and a single. Is that clear enough for you?



                              Don’t answer that.
                              except that your aunt or uncle having balls is a pretty factual statement either way, whereas whether a ball happens to fall in for a hit has a ton of different variables that are worthy of being discussed and 2 balls can be hit exactly the same and have completely different results depending on those variables. So no, this isnt at all comparable to the balls your aunt has.

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                              there used to be a tool online where you could see how often a ball is a hit depending on how hard and where it is hit. anyone know where to find that still?

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                              https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/gamefeed?game_pk=567390&game_date=2019-6-9


                              Found it. Camargo's hit has an expected batting average of .260, or in other words, that ball is caught for an out 74% of the time.

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                              ultimately though it doesnt really matter, and the braves absolutely own us for like 2 straight years now.

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                              • nasim nunez looks like he's 15

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                                Sandy looks really good yet again. pitch count is up there though so he wont be going deep.

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