Season Super Game Thread

[fish16]

They have so many teams they are talking to right now who the hell knows whats up

Gonna say talking to atleast 7 teams about different deals

Im sure. They should/could be trading at least 8 different guys in the next 48 hours (Dietrich, Barraclough, Straily, Conley, Castro, JT, Holaday, Maybin)

[tjfla]

For anyone who wants us to do a deal for RP with LAD. Cross fingers Atlanta and Texas do a deal

They are talking Beltre and 1 or 2 RP to Atlanta for Gohara and ?

Tons of other teams who want our RP but LA likes Miami AND Texas RP

[fish16]

That would be a very interesting trade for the braves. Beltre seems like a great fit around the rest of their lineup even if he is old.

[Erick]

Still no moves

[lou]

Still no moves

Who cares? It's not August 1st

[Erick]

Who cares? It's not August 1st

I don’t see them making a bunch of moves. Mark Feinsand reporting they’ll trade Ziegler and that’ll probably be it.

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Only the Marlins would be dumb enough to trade Christian Yelich and hang on to a bunch of relievers.

[fish16]

I don’t see them making a bunch of moves. Mark Feinsand reporting they’ll trade Ziegler and that’ll probably be it.

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Only the Marlins would be dumb enough to trade Christian Yelich and hang on to a bunch of relievers.

you been hanging out with maddawg too much? We have 2 days to the deadline. You can bitch about a lack of moves then. until then it makes no sense to bash the front office for a lack of moves at the deadline. Mark Feinsand isnt even a marlins reporter and all other reports from guys who actually deal with the team on a daily basis seem to have us being active and even extremely active.

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Btw, if we win this game we will need to go at best 1-54 in order to hit his mid season adjusted version of what he expects of this team of being closer to 35 wins than 60 after his initial ridiculous season prediction of winning 35 games.

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I do think your criticism would be warranted erick if we dont trade at least 2 of Conley, Ziegler, and Barraclough along with Maybin and Dietrich at least. Id also deal Straily, Steck, and Bour depending on the return. But if we hold onto the relievers at the deadline it will be an enormous mistake, agreed. Just think its very premature to continue to harp on the lack of action 2 days before the deadline.

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Ideal deadline for me-

Barraclough for Nolan Jones or Will Smith + IFA cash.
JT for Robles, Kieboom, and a pitcher
Ziegler for low level bat denbo likes. Probably a very young IFA player that Denbo liked but couldnt sign.
Dietrich for a mid level bat similar to what he was when he was dealt to us along with a low level pitcher.
Conley if we can get anything close to a top 100 guy regardless of position. Ive kind of moved towards being more inclined to trade him recently if we can get really good value for him even though i think its possible he can become a Brad Hand type guy in the next few years as I think its also possible his value is much higher than its ever been. The uncertainty kind of scares me and given our prospects that have a floor of good relievers I think its probably worth it to just get what you can now.

Maybin you just deal for a low level flier cause its a 1 year deal and we can just call up a Dean type guy and brinson comes back eventually.
Castro i think you wait till the winter and see if we can get some value either in the winter if we eat some of the money or you trade him at the deadline next year if you want to be patient with Diaz as far as being the 2b of the future.
Holaday maybe trade for a non prospect reliever type or just get whatever small amount of IFA money you can.
Steck hold onto and maybe trade him next year as I think his value has fallen a little of late and he has potential to get a high return next deadline if he becomes our closer.
Straily im not too concerned about either way regardless of if we keep him or trade him. Depends on the return and i have no idea what his value would actually be. Same with Bour and especially with Bour because I think his value for us until his free agency is higher than anything we really can get in a trade and we dont have anything in terms of 1b's in the system and we are lacking a bit of power.

Then just try and accumulate and piece together as much IFA cash in the deals as possible and even though it might lower the value we get for a particular player you just think of the big picture of being able to sign Victor Victor as if it were part of the deadline deals. I think if we get anywhere near the Orioles he is ours and we finally are able to sign one of the dozens of cubans we have been interested in but have never actually been able to pull off (Cespedes, Chapman, Julio Pablo Martinez, Puig, etc)

The one thing I am concerned with over the next 2 days though is the fact that we have left a lot of work/players to be dealt in just a 2 day span and I think having all those guys to move at once might end up biting us in the ass and not being able to swing a deal for a few of them that we might have been able to if we didnt have this many guys to move at once.

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One thing that I think is interesting that could work out very well for us is if we are able to get a guy like Robles and sign a guy like Victor Victor, it will allow us to be much more patient with the accumulation of OF talent we suddenly have that have potential but need to be in the minors a little longer to develop their bats, namely Monte Harrison and Sierra as well as younger guys like Scott. Then if they develop more and we have a very nice overflow of young OF's we can deal from that position of strength for a position of weakness (maybe a power 1b bat of the future or high ceiling SP).

Also, I am very hopeful that this accumulation of young cost controlled talent can allow us to sign a top tier free agent in 2020/2021 when the guys start coming to the bigs and we have a low payroll with money like Prado, Castro, and Chen coming off the books. IT will allow us to maybe sign a top tier free agent if our pitching turns out to be a bunch of solid but not spectacular SP's/guys who are best off as relievers. Guys like Sale/Bumgarner/an older Verlander are available that year and can be like our Cubs signing Lester type deal.

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sorry for the rant

[Lee Stone]

A fan's trade proposal on another forum:

Realmuto and Chen for Kieboom, Crowe, Read and Johnson. Marlins pick up rest of Chen’s 2018 salary Nats take full next two years.
Trade Gio, Herrera, Madson, Adams and, yes, Harper.
Get under the luxury tax and improve your chances of resigning harper, if you want him, by making the cost less because of no tax.

Under that proposal, Nats basically pay Chen $42M in order to keep Robles.

[lou]

Baltimore just traded Brach to Atlanta for IFA money. I feel Miami just needs to get close to what Baltimore is inevitably going to offer Victor-Victor. No state income tax and Miami versus the crap that is the city of Baltimore is going to give them a little leeway here.

Baltimore is certainly going for it though.

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A fan's trade proposal on another forum:

Realmuto and Chen for Kieboom, Crowe, Read and Johnson. Marlins pick up rest of Chen’s 2018 salary Nats take full next two years.
Trade Gio, Herrera, Madson, Adams and, yes, Harper.
Get under the luxury tax and improve your chances of resigning harper, if you want him, by making the cost less because of no tax.

Under that proposal, Nats basically pay Chen $42M in order to keep Robles.

Actually $45 million with deferred money, but same concept.

Robles is worth more than $45 million as a FV65 prospect. They can go suck an egg.

Keep Chen and hope for the best. Keep Realmuto or turn him into a superstar prospect. No dumps.

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Lou's entire analysis seems logical. However, I've reade that 2B is Kieboom's future position.

Did we just become best friends?

In any event, if he is pushed off SS, it's still a fine problem to have. If all these guys hit, there will be space somewhere even if Anderson ends up at 1B. Likely, someone is going to fail (Brinson and Monte aren't exactly lighting it up), so it probably isn't an issue on a practical level.

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I don’t see them making a bunch of moves. Mark Feinsand reporting they’ll trade Ziegler and that’ll probably be it.

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Only the Marlins would be dumb enough to trade Christian Yelich and hang on to a bunch of relievers.

On one hand I agree with you, on the other, if they aren't getting good deals, I have no problem with them holding onto the guys and trying again in the offseason (if needed). No dumps. Hold your ground. These guys have years of control so lower pressure, even if it is ideal to move at absolute minimum Dietrich and Barraclough.

I think they are going to move a bunch of them. We're just frustrated as we've been waiting 6 months for this and we see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[sports24/7]

A fan's trade proposal on another forum:

Realmuto and Chen for Kieboom, Crowe, Read and Johnson. Marlins pick up rest of Chen’s 2018 salary Nats take full next two years.
Trade Gio, Herrera, Madson, Adams and, yes, Harper.
Get under the luxury tax and improve your chances of resigning harper, if you want him, by making the cost less because of no tax.

Under that proposal, Nats basically pay Chen $42M in order to keep Robles.

I'd much rather Robles, and I'd even rather keep Realmuto. IF they reallocate that money (and that's no guarantee), you aren't going to get someone with the kind of ability of Robles. You'd be continuing the trend of adding mediocre players. I'm not trading Realmuto if I don't get a potential star back. I'm sick of taking pennies on the dollar to save money. It's time to go out and acquire talent.

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Very interesting...

[sports24/7]

The one guy who for sure gets moved.

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brad ziegler, who has allowed just 2 ER over his last 27 innings dating back to June 2, likely to be moved soon. cubs, Red Sox among possible landing spots, also perhaps Indians, astros

[fish16]

It makes a ton of sense for us to deal one or two of these guys before the actual deadline day Itself just to lessen the number of guys we have to deal on the actual deadline day

[fish16]

Whats the most amount of IFA money we can get in 1 deal and how many guys are truly left in this signing period? Because given that we arent going to get anything in terms of an impactful prospect for Ziegler in all likelihood, id be cool with selling Ziegler to the highest bidder in terms of IFA money for teams that have money left over but wont be spending it since most of the top guys are already gone. Same with Holaday and Maybin if anyone is willing to give any IFA money for them. every little bit helps and we wont be getting significant prospects for them anyways. If it can add up to enough to where you get Victor Victor, its as if you traded Ziegler, Maybin, and Holaday for a top prospect and thats a win every day of the week. I know its not actually like youre trading those 3 for victor victor, but you get what I mean.

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A fan's trade proposal on another forum:

Realmuto and Chen for Kieboom, Crowe, Read and Johnson. Marlins pick up rest of Chen’s 2018 salary Nats take full next two years.
Trade Gio, Herrera, Madson, Adams and, yes, Harper.
Get under the luxury tax and improve your chances of resigning harper, if you want him, by making the cost less because of no tax.

Under that proposal, Nats basically pay Chen $42M in order to keep Robles.

That would be a horrific move for the team to make. The money for Chen, while it sucks, is not as significant as it was when we had other high priced vets around him and a bloated overall payroll. We need to just bite the bullet on him and take whatever you can get from him until his deal runs out. Also, his FIP is better than his ERA (although still not good). Just keep him around and let the deal run out.

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I'd much rather Robles, and I'd even rather keep Realmuto. IF they reallocate that money (and that's no guarantee), you aren't going to get someone with the kind of ability of Robles. You'd be continuing the trend of adding mediocre players. I'm not trading Realmuto if I don't get a potential star back. I'm sick of taking pennies on the dollar to save money. It's time to go out and acquire talent.

Exactly. The JT deal needs to be great. If not you wait and try to sign him in the offseason. Thats still the priority for me UNLESS we can get both Robles AND Kieboom. If you cant get those 2 + then you wait until the offseason and offer to re-sign him or trade the best catcher in baseball with 2 years of team control coming off a career year.

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From my understanding the Marlins & Nationals discussions on Realmuto did not get to the point where ownership would need to sign off on the final deal (or veto it.) If they do progress, on Miami's side the one with the final call is Marlins CEO Derek Jeter.

I also love that Denbo is personally involved in the scouting of what has to be Robles (probably to evaluate his health coming off injury) because the nats AAA team has no other hitting prospects and no good pitching prospects pitched today.

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I'm not ready to fire it up on this one. I thought this was completely dead 3 days ago honestly. Ziegler will be traded. I don't see the Marlins budging much off their ask on JT, which is high. That means unlikely. It's a showdown at this point.

I really think we end up keeping JT until the winter and then try to sign him and if not then trade him then. I really find it hard to believe that the nats would start making win now moves based off one series which was reportedly the case coming into our series. I also find it incredibly stupid to hinge whether you are a buyer or seller at the deadline based on one series before the deadline. If you dont know whether youre a good team by now you most likely arent. They do have a ton of talent and for some reason cant put it all together so who knows.

[Lee Stone]

The Straily vs. Archer mystery. It's reported every day. Ten teams covet Chris Archer and may be willing to pay a premium. We don't hear a whisper about Straily.

The two RHP are the same age and both have 7 years in. Over the last three seasons, Straily has won a lot more games and pitched to a lower ERA and WHIP. With his string of quality starts this season, I'm believing that Straily nets a significant return on Tuesday.